Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 16. (Read 227096 times)

Unless they agree to let you live... 

I think that from 300 millions inhabitants of the former USSR we can found enough people who are good in english

After all these bombings even if ukraine will be converted into federation de jure, de facto it will be split apart. But even this outcoming seems unlikely because nobody will sign a federal treaty with mass murderers.

Let's see what is the ingenious novel solution that Merkel and Hollande propose for Ukraine: Federalisation, according to Le Figaro.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/6/728299.html

Now, let's spool back to March-April 2014 and see what Lavrov proposed back then, a proposition that Russia was ridiculed for: Federalisation of Ukraine and constitutional reform.

This is from March 2014
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-kharkov-rights-donetsk-202/

From the 8th of April 2014:
Russian FM calls on Kiev, Washington to recognize interests of all Ukraine regions
http://rt.com/news/russia-eu-us-ukraine-113/

And this is from April 17 2014
Lavrov: Russia, US, EU, Ukraine agree on de-escalation roadmap
http://rt.com/news/geneva-document-ukraine-deescalation-224/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhoC4_ItsO4

Somebody really fucked up. Gruz-200 trolls, keep up your good work.

Actually I'm Hungarian...

Seconded. (Though I am not a Russian citizen, I am Russian) 

Well, it seems that you are flat-out wrong here...

Despite absence of moderation, there are only two or three active western ukrainian trolls remaining in the russian section. Others had left these forums voluntarily, because they've created an image of cheap clown for themselves with all these attempts to spread unfounded propaganda.

Other than Balthazar, I don't think there is any Russian / Ukrainian citizen active here. Most of the former-USSR users are not comfortable in English, and therefore they might be more inclined to discuss this issue in the Russian language forums.

don't think so. this problem concerned people around the world

it seems most guy in this topic from Russia and Ukraine

Yes, Kerry came to Kiev, along with Nudelman/Nuland (this time without her trademark cookies) and Psaki.
Proroshenko further proved that Ukraine is not sovereign in that he spoke exclusively English, thus signalling his subservience to Kerry.
And Kerry was blabbering about Russia being to blame for all the sins and wanting peace and delivering lethal weapons to Kiev, and patting Poroshenko on the back for the new law legalising execution of the spot of any conscript who refuses to fight for the Nazi government (http://rt.com/news/229739-ukraine-army-shoot-defectors/).

By the way, I now think that Merkel and Hollande are actually running interference with Putin in Moscow, so as to mask Kerry's work in Kiev. Those two are so compromised that it is hard to think that they will be doing anything without a green light from Washington.

Merkel, Hollande, Putin to discuss end to Ukraine's civil war at Moscow talks
http://rt.com/news/229563-hollande-merkel-ukraine-peace/

Now.

Possible False Flag Alert!

Kiev agreed to evacuation of civilians from Debaltsevo (all the while shelling civilians in Donetsk - 8 killed today)
The evacuation will start tomorrow 6th of January at 11 am, in civilian buses. All who want to leave, can leave in either of two directions.
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775798
This complacency from Kiev is uncharacteristic.
Add to that a visit from the US handlers - each such prior visit signalled a murderous act of exceptional brutality from Kiev.
And add the following intelligence report:

DNR has evidence that Kiev prepares a provocation in Debaltsevo, planning to hit with artillery a bus, evacuating civilians from the town. Then present the shooting as coming from DNR, spread it in MSM and present it during the coming Munchen convention so as to classify the republic as a terrorist organisation. The information was collected from interrogation of an officer, Alexander Marchenko, of 25th battalion, who surrendered to DNR on the 2nd of February.
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1744916

[...]
The situation is becoming more acute because [John] Kerry’s visit today [to Kiev] does not exclude the possible delivery of lethal weapons to Ukraine.
That of course, would provoke a new spiral of escalation and would threaten not only our territory, but also the Russian Federation.
That would cause serious damage to European countries, so it must not be allowed to happen.
Mr Pushilin said that so far the Minsk process had looked like “an imitation of talks”.
He said that Ukrainian shelling of settlements in eastern Ukraine was "only intensifying" and that "all kinds of heavy weapons are being used against us - not against soldiers but against civilians and infrastructure.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11392108/Ukraine-crisis-Angela-Merkel-and-Francois-Hollande-to-fly-to-Russia-live.html

they have other means of communication. kerry flying to kiev is a sign for the whole world and especially putin that usa will back ukraine at any moment they wish. he'll shake hands do a photo and go back into the plane. people like him are not playing a regulatory role in the process.

Both Germany, France and Russia are the losers of the ongoing conflict. The economies of France and Germany alone are losing billions of euros. This is not the first attempt by the French and German leaders to build at least some kind of bridges (while continuing to speak of sanctions so as not to antagonise Washington), but each time these attempts were fouled by some false flag, be it MH-17 or Charlie. So I wouldn't say that they are "in such a hurry" - they are simply continuing the ongoing process.

Russia may indeed respond with force if US/NATO flies in more heavy military equipment, a variation on the South Ossetia solution may be deployed, but that will be the last resort to prevent a wholesale murder of Russians in Novorossia, and will happen only if absolutely all attempts at diplomacy fail.

Kerry's visit to Kiev does worry me. From all the previous cases, it is a harbinger of some false flag or an increase in military activity.

Your statements are all true! Thank you for educating the naive people who blindly believe western media.

Question. Why are the presidents of France and Germany in such a hurry to reach a deal with Putin now?

Is it because of Kerry's visit to Kiev and the giving of heavy weapons to Kiev?

Maybe they sense war is in the air with Russia very soon?

What do you think?

The following is a very interesting interview with Paul Craig Roberts:

PCR Interviewed by the Russian analytical magazine Political Education.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/04/pcr-interviewed-russian-analytical-magazine-political-education/

It's both in Russian and English.

Nemo, just to let you know that "Lycra" has become a terrorist organization according to the SUPREME LAW OF THE EMPIRE... even if the members of this terrorist organization can't recognize it... how could they !?! ahahah. As soon as they try to censor/intimidate/harass/what ever an AMERICAN CITIZEN => Gitmo, drone strikes, who cares... as long as they are "neutralized" (on a chemical level of course), and just to be clear they can have the state backing of a very little middle eastern state and an idiotic republic... don't thread on US, it could be deadly (to be CRYSTAL CLEAR).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_League_against_Racism_and_Anti-Semitism#Financing

And if a fucking NAZI of the LYCRA read that: just that you too know OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS (so that as a victim of the EMPIRE FORCES you will be aware of OUR rights).


edit: In the Empire security memos are published : sometimes they are called KILL RIGHTS... yea constant revolution, only China (and inside the fsb/gru in Russia) respects American Rights in the Empire fully.

edit 2: clear illustration of why 2A come after 1A.

Adding to the above two, an analysis by Lada Ray:

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/ex-ukraine-pm-west-expected-yanukovich-to-die-like-gadaffi/