Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 20. (Read 227096 times)

Looks like Ukrainian special forces are planning to assassinate the three Rada deputies who supported the terrorist attack in Groznyj

and then balame Russia for the assassination:

Ukraine nationalised Russian-owned gas pipeline. The decision will be appealed in court.
http://top.rbc.ru/economics/26/11/2014/5475c2c3cbb20f84ee44dc2d

I too hope they manage to reconstruct some of the image and that it does not get hushed down under the 4-way non-disclosure agreement. *Just like with the false flag of flight KAL-007, I almost lost any hope of every hearing the truth from the official sources. Private investigators might unearth more...

What I am sceptical to, are two points: Dutch experts refused to collect all the debris, only some select pieces, even though the government of Donetsk republic offered them all assistance they should request in collecting all the pieces. So the picture will be partial. And the second thing: the bigger bits were cut into multiple fragments, thus basically destroying some of the evidence.

The UN vote against the glorification of nazism and nazi figures was a watershed insight into understanding what is going on inside western governments today. Eric Zuesse's article labeling the no vote by the US, Canada, and Ukraine at the UN as supporting the glorification of Nazism and Holocaust denial was understatement at the very least. By this "no" vote these three countries support the rights of nationalist chauvinists to promote nazis like Adolf Hitler or Stepan Bandera as heroes and the murder of their victims as a heroic act.
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Historically West Ukraine (Galicia) where the Ukrainian nationalists were located and Ukraine's ideology today was derived existed only outside the areas affected by the famine.
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Central and Southeast Ukraine which includes Donbass and Odessa are the areas that years ago suffered through that famine. The famine also claimed over 1 million lives in Siberia. The suffering extended to Belarus and Kuban. There were starvation deaths in Moscow.
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It is now illegal to question the Holomodor in Ukraine. The historical record needs to be set straight permanently about this tragedy. Support the nationalist version and deny the real Holocaust at your own peril. The scholarship needs to be set straight. Democracy is built on history. Nationalism is built on myth.

Today the perpetrators of genocide from that time period are causing famine conditions in Donbass. Most of the fields were burned or mined. Most of the harvests were lost and stolen. The Nazis are back and just as murderous. If Poroshenko and Nazi Kiev were remotely serious about a famine genocide that they want the world to recognize; how could they try to set up the same kinds of conditions right now?

In 1848 the modern Ukrainian state came into being under the Austro-Hungarian (Hapsburg) Empire, in what is called the Spring of Nations ( see Roots of Ukrainian Nationalism -Paul Robert Magosci). Under the Hapsburg empire the Ukrainian people were first recognized as a distinct nationality and freed from the serfdom they had been under since the seat of the Rus empire moved from Kiev to Moscow.

In the Austria-Hungarian Empire they were known as the Tyroleans of the east. The term means Austrians of the east. With their recognition as a people by Vienna, they acquired the Habsburg model of government. These countries include: Galicia (West Ukraine), Ruthenia ( West Ukraine), Estonia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Austria, Hungary. After WW I Germany adopted this model, as did Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Slovenia, and Romania.

When fleshed out this government model is an extreme form of ultra nationalism. The only part of Ukraine recognized by the empire was Galicia which was a major holding for the Hapsburgs. Linguistically there were four languages in what is now Ukraine. Ruthenians, also called Russyns, had a unique language. Galicia had its own which is now called Ukrainian. Dnieper Ukraine spoke a similar language. People in Little Russia (the South East), which was outside of the Hapsburg holdings spoke Russian and were a part of Greater Russia. (ibid). Western Ukraine was entirely devoted to the Austro- Hungarian empire and was its staunchest supporter in war.

With the documented conspiracy of the US and its allies to create a sectarian mercenary force aligned to Al Qaeda, the so-called “moderate rebels” the US has openly backed in Syria now fully revealed as sectarian extremists, and now with DW documenting a torrent of supplies originating in Turkey, it is clear that the ISIS menace NATO poses as the solution to, was in fact NATO all along. What is  revealed is a foreign policy so staggeringly insidious, few are able to believe it, even with international broadcasters like DW showing ISIS’ supply lines leading from NATO territory itself.

Ukrainian "government" sites were hacked and defaced.

The Western style propaganda war was unleashed in the oligarch and Western NGO controlled Ukrainian media throughout the 1990s and 2000s. It has culminated between 2004 Orange Revolution and now. Soros-sponsored history books rewrote the entire history of Ukraine to prove that Ukrainians were completely separate from Russians. Western-trained journalists and Western-sponsored newspapers and TV have been promoting “western values’ and bashing anything Russian for over 20 years.

Most journalists from Ukraine and other post-Soviet countries were trained in Poland. Poland acted, and still does, as the massive training camp for anti-Russian media, opposition politicians and color revolutionary training (meaning how to throw Molotov cocktails more effectively and how to set buildings on fire). Trainers in these training seminars and camps are almost exclusively American, Canadian or British. Russian TV did some stories on these secret seminars held oftentimes in an inconspicuous Polish neighborhood. They obtained the lists of instructors with clearly English-sounding names. When they tried to film the inside through the window or glass door, the curtains would be drawn immediately or the door barricaded – all that caught on film.

It is clear that $5 billion Victoria Nuland was bragging about that US spent ‘to subvert Ukraine,’ wasn’t all they spent over the years. They had to pay off the sell-out journalists, fiction history book creators, politicians, and let’s not forget the equipping, training and financing the ukro-nazis from western Ukraine.

The West also had to feed the greediest of them all – Ukraine oligarchs who have been controlling and strangling the poor Ukraine since 1991. Poroshenko – real name Valtsman – is one of them. Valtsman Sr., the father of the Ukraine president, was an underground millionaire and crook from Odessa, who served several years in jail for stealing goods by the trainload during Soviet times. Greed runs in the family.

The scale of the lies of the Ukraine media can only be compared to the German Nazi propaganda circa Hitler. Some believe they have gone much further. As much as the Western MSM propaganda is mind-boggling, Ukraine today takes the cake.

No, the anti-Russian sentiment wasn’t born during Soviet times. If anything, any real Ukrainian should be grateful to the Soviets. After all, it was Lenin in 1918-1922, who ‘gave’ all of east and south, including Donbass (Lugansk and Donetsk), Zaporozhie, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Odessa, Kherson and Nikolaev to Ukraine. This was done to appease the existing ultra-nationalist sentiment there, plus to give the poor, agricultural Ukraine (What I call ‘Ukraine proper’ – the areas concentrated around Kiev, central and northern Ukraine) an industrial base and educated work force, which could bring them sustainable revenue. The goal was to significantly pull up their standard of living. Under Stalin, this idea was expanded as Russians built an extremely strong industrial base in Ukraine, off which Ukraine has been living till today. The fact that they, and their oligarchs, never modernized or added to that base, but like a bad drunk preferred to squander their rich Soviet inheritance, speaks volumes of their ability to self-govern. That notwithstanding, they blame Russia.

What are you talking about with Germany? You can go to jail for even owning any type of national socialist type shit yet your calling them Nazi's holy shit dude!

What are you talking about with Germany? You can go to jail for even owning any type of national socialist type shit yet your calling them Nazi's holy shit dude!

Europe is on a slippery slope.
Norwegian government dances the betrayal fandango with the Ukrainian clone of Quisling - Poroshenko.
German government proverbially raises their right arm in the classical salute to the spiritual heirs of the Hitler that have been fostered in Ukraine.
Kiev says that Human Rights are not applicable to the 5 million people living in Donbass/Novorossia.
Washington already prepares gas chambers to be shipped to Ukraine, having completed the meeting with the Nazi battalion leaders.

Is it again up to Russia to stop Europe from committing suicide? If need be, yes.