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February 04, 2015, 11:12:15 AM
Two interesting articles to put things into perspective:

Ukraine’s former PM says no Russian pressure behind EU deal rejection
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775393

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"I have never heard Putin or Medvedev say that if you sign the agreement with the EU, then you will have another government and the president," Mykola Azarov told reporters

On the contrary, Russia and China had agreed to provide Ukraine with up to $42 billion in loans and investment. "Ukraine could have seen a significant economic recovery," Azarov said.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian side was subjected to pressure on the part of the EU, he said.

and

Gaddafi’s fate was prepared for Yanukovych — Ukrainian former PM Azarov
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775435

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The former premier Mykola Azarov also said he does not condemn Yanukovych for leaving Kiev and heading for the country’s east when his liquidation was reportedly being organized.

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He said Yanukovych had the opportunity to "keep order in the country," prevent the February 2014 coup.

"When an operation to shoot dead people on Maidan [Independence Square in downtown Kiev, the symbol of Ukrainian protests] was organized, the entire world and Ukraine were frightened — it was for the first time in our history that over 130 people were cold-bloodedly [shot dead] on Maidan, 26 of them being law enforcement officers," Azarov said.

"In this context, Yanukovych lost his heart and the hands of those who plotted a coup were free. He was called a bloody tyrant and it was said he was subject to liquidation. Groups tasked with capturing him and implementing the Libyan variant were formed. He was to have died like Gaddafi," he said.
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February 03, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Breaking! Maidan 2 Storms Poroshenko’s Administration in Kiev
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/breaking-maidan-2-storms-poroshenkos-administration-in-kiev

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Details are scant, but a few days ago various ukro-nazi battalions gathered in Kiev demanding a bigger and better war against Donbass, with more war expenditure, bigger help from the US and NATO, and more ballistic missile bombings of the citizens of Donetsk (DNR) and Lugansk (LNR). Today, it appears the members of the same ukro-nazi battalions and their sympathisers are storming the administration of the Ukraine president Poroshenko, who according to them, has been too mild towards Donbass and too friendly to Russia. Most others would say it were the other way around, but that’s their point of view.

Here is a link to the raw video from News-Front. Another video – latest. Keep in mind it can be deleted any moment, as it happened to so many other inconvenient videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm0CXy1nMQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_i7bH0gID8
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 06:06:54 AM
How the February Coup in Kiev was plotted and arranged by the US – New Evidence

http://ian56.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/how-february-coup-in-kiev-was-plotted.html

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Planning for the February 2014 Coup D’Etat in Kiev started in March 2013 (or earlier).

This amazing speech in Ukraine’s Rada (Parliament) details how 300 people, under the direction of the US Embassy in Kiev, were to mobilize and manipulate social media in order to provoke protests that would lead to a Coup to oust Yanukovych and then start a Civil War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9hOl8TuBUM
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January 30, 2015, 06:55:51 PM
Interesting article from Bloomberg... Cool

Hasenstab Sees $3 Billion Vanish in Ukraine as Big Bet Sours

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After loading up on more than $7 billion of the country’s bonds, Hasenstab [bond fund manager at the Franklin Templeton bond funds] has seen the value of the securities collapse as the conflict with pro-Russian rebels deepened an economic recession, depleted foreign reserves and prompted government calls for a debt restructuring. His investment, equal to almost half of all Ukraine’s foreign bonds, is now valued at just $4 billion, based on fund holdings from the end of the third and fourth quarters.

As the losses mount, returns on Hasenstab’s two biggest funds -- standouts in the industry that have outperformed 99 percent of peers over the past decade -- have slipped, helping fuel client redemptions. Investors last year pulled a record $14 billion from the U.S. and European versions of the Templeton Global Bond Fund and Templeton Global Total Return Fund, which have a combined $150 billion in assets, according to estimates compiled by Bloomberg
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January 29, 2015, 12:09:18 PM
So what happened today?
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 07:43:09 AM
Remember warnings about possible false flags from Ukraine?
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/false-flag-alert-kiev-regime-needs-war-to-survive-ukrainians-refuse-to-fight-kiev-uses-foreign-mercenaries-and-us-weapons/

Well, according to a student, who returned from Ukraine to Crimea, Kiev enlists students to organise a large provocation on the Russian border on the 29th of January. Armed Ukro-Nazis will be participating along with the students.
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1727505



The largest machine building factory in Dniepropetrovsk - JuzhMash (building, among other things, rocket engines) has been stopped. The reason - all major contracts are from Russia, and Kiev stopped all cooperation. Thousands of people have been thrown out on the street.  The first results of EuroIntegration, without actually integrating with EU. Well done, EU!
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January 23, 2015, 07:42:27 PM
Poland makes a new move in their 200-year old project "Ukraine". After the history-falsifying statement by Yatsenjuks  that USSR invaded Ukraine and Nazi Germany during WWII, the Polish FM made an equally history-falsifying statement, saying that Osvencem was liberated by Ukrainians.
It was the Soviet Army that liberated it, a part of what was called the "Ukrainian front", which before that was called "Voronezh front". The divisions of the front consisted of all the nationalities of the Soviet Union, and not just Ukrainians.

The head of Polish FM first tried to explain away his statement, and even shifted the blame on to Russia for daring to point out the error. According to him "Russians want to show that the heritage of Red Army, of the victims of the Victory over Fascism belongs only to Russia". And it's despite what Lavrov said, that the victories of the Soviet Union belong to all Soviet people.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/1/23/725859.html

Russia acts as a guardian of that common history, and I think it shouldering all of the USSR debt after the break up and letting the member republics go into the bright future debt-free does give Russia some right there to keep the records strait.

Polish reps apologize to Russia for incorrect interpretation of Auschwitz liberation
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/773068



In this context, the following article by a Russian Jew, currently living in Israel, gives an interesting perspective, tying up the American war in Ukraine, the false flag in Paris, the hostility towards Russia, the economic war, and the selective freedom of speech in the West.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/19/trolling-russia-israel-shamir/

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The edifice of world post-1991 order is collapsing right now before our eyes. President Putin’s decision to give a miss to the Auschwitz pilgrimage, right after his absence in Paris at the Charlie festival, gave it the last shove. It was good clean fun to troll Russia, as long as it stayed the course. Not anymore. Russia broke the rules.

Until now, Russia, like a country bumpkin in Eton, tried to belong. It attended the gathering of the grandees where it was shunned, paid its dues to European bodies that condemned it, patiently suffered ceaseless hectoring of the great powers and irritating baiting of East European small-timers alike. But something broke down. The lad does not want to belong anymore; he picked up his stuff and went home – just when they needed him to knee in Auschwitz.

...

While the present western regime is anti-Christian and anti-Muslim, it is pro-Jewish to an extent that defies a rational explanation. France had sent thousands of soldiers and policemen to defend Jewish institutions, though this defence antagonises their neighbours. While Charlie are glorified for insulting Christians and Muslims, Dieudonné has been sent to jail (just for a day, but with great fanfare) for annoying Jews. Actually, Charlie Hebdo dismissed a journalist for one sentence allegedly disrespectful for Jews. This unfairness is a source of aggravation: Muslims were laughed out of court when they complained against particularly vile Charlie’s cartoons, but Jews almost always win when they go to the court against their denigrators. (Full disclosure: I was also sued by LICRA, the French Jewish body, while my French publisher was devastated by their legal attacks).

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One can be certain that Russians will not support the Middle Eastern crusade of NATO, as this military action was prepared at the Charlie demo in Paris. It is far from clear who killed the cartoonists, but Paris and Washington intend to use it for reigniting war in the Middle East. This time, Russia will be in opposition, and probably will use it as an opportunity to change the uncomfortable standoff in the Ukraine. Thus supporters of peace in the Middle East have a good reason to back Russia.


10s of millions of eastern europeaners died in that war for Ukraine to claim that they are so great is just asinine.
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January 23, 2015, 07:40:00 PM
ROFL! Dear god, the double-standards and bullshit in this threat are still incredible!  Grin I stopped reading this for a few months, and came back to check through them, and OMFG you guys are dumb. The Russia and Ukraine situation isn't even reported on in US. No one gives a shit. And it's extremely funny that all the news about things going on in Ukraine are only being reported by from Russian news sources, which, apparently, arent even allowed to go into Ukraine, or get killed there.

I would point out all the many ways in which the reports you idiots are posting ehre are contradictory, but it would take me half a day just to compile all of them.

Though for your dumbass benefit, the two ones that stand out the most are the quote

" A mere year ago.. Ukraine was a calm and peaceful nation, it had extremly good gas deals with Russia, buying the cheapest gas in Europe, it was about to get a 19 billion dollar loan and it was going to join the Eurasian economic zone.. All was well.."

which forgets the $100 BILLION stolen by Yanukovich and his gang, and the fact that credit ratings for countries don't change over a single year, and a bad rating is a signal of extremely bad past policies. What's happening in Ukraine economically is not the result of Maidan protests and Poroshenko, Maidan protests and Poroshenko is the result of what has been happening in Ukraine for years.

what about poroshenko the new president who is just another oilgarch
legendary
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January 23, 2015, 02:17:47 PM
Poland makes a new move in their 200-year old project "Ukraine". After the history-falsifying statement by Yatsenjuks  that USSR invaded Ukraine and Nazi Germany during WWII, the Polish FM made an equally history-falsifying statement, saying that Osvencem was liberated by Ukrainians.
It was the Soviet Army that liberated it, a part of what was called the "Ukrainian front", which before that was called "Voronezh front". The divisions of the front consisted of all the nationalities of the Soviet Union, and not just Ukrainians.

The head of Polish FM first tried to explain away his statement, and even shifted the blame on to Russia for daring to point out the error. According to him "Russians want to show that the heritage of Red Army, of the victims of the Victory over Fascism belongs only to Russia". And it's despite what Lavrov said, that the victories of the Soviet Union belong to all Soviet people.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/1/23/725859.html

Russia acts as a guardian of that common history, and I think it shouldering all of the USSR debt after the break up and letting the member republics go into the bright future debt-free does give Russia some right there to keep the records strait.

Polish reps apologize to Russia for incorrect interpretation of Auschwitz liberation
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/773068



In this context, the following article by a Russian Jew, currently living in Israel, gives an interesting perspective, tying up the American war in Ukraine, the false flag in Paris, the hostility towards Russia, the economic war, and the selective freedom of speech in the West.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/19/trolling-russia-israel-shamir/

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The edifice of world post-1991 order is collapsing right now before our eyes. President Putin’s decision to give a miss to the Auschwitz pilgrimage, right after his absence in Paris at the Charlie festival, gave it the last shove. It was good clean fun to troll Russia, as long as it stayed the course. Not anymore. Russia broke the rules.

Until now, Russia, like a country bumpkin in Eton, tried to belong. It attended the gathering of the grandees where it was shunned, paid its dues to European bodies that condemned it, patiently suffered ceaseless hectoring of the great powers and irritating baiting of East European small-timers alike. But something broke down. The lad does not want to belong anymore; he picked up his stuff and went home – just when they needed him to knee in Auschwitz.

...

While the present western regime is anti-Christian and anti-Muslim, it is pro-Jewish to an extent that defies a rational explanation. France had sent thousands of soldiers and policemen to defend Jewish institutions, though this defence antagonises their neighbours. While Charlie are glorified for insulting Christians and Muslims, Dieudonné has been sent to jail (just for a day, but with great fanfare) for annoying Jews. Actually, Charlie Hebdo dismissed a journalist for one sentence allegedly disrespectful for Jews. This unfairness is a source of aggravation: Muslims were laughed out of court when they complained against particularly vile Charlie’s cartoons, but Jews almost always win when they go to the court against their denigrators. (Full disclosure: I was also sued by LICRA, the French Jewish body, while my French publisher was devastated by their legal attacks).

...

One can be certain that Russians will not support the Middle Eastern crusade of NATO, as this military action was prepared at the Charlie demo in Paris. It is far from clear who killed the cartoonists, but Paris and Washington intend to use it for reigniting war in the Middle East. This time, Russia will be in opposition, and probably will use it as an opportunity to change the uncomfortable standoff in the Ukraine. Thus supporters of peace in the Middle East have a good reason to back Russia.
legendary
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January 23, 2015, 05:20:29 AM
which forgets the $100 BILLION stolen by Yanukovich and his gang, and the fact that credit ratings for countries don't change over a single year, and a bad rating is a signal of extremely bad past policies. What's happening in Ukraine economically is not the result of Maidan protests and Poroshenko, Maidan protests and Poroshenko is the result of what has been happening in Ukraine for years.

So true but Yanukovich is friend of poutine ... so between mafia boys..they drinks vodka and joke about people diying ...

Why he left the country like a bandit if he had nothing do worst for the country Huh?

Pro Russian are only blind ... you want good example ?? Explain us why Russia is ( PIB / GDB is so low ... ?? )

Russia    14,591 US$ / citizen ... and year after year this one go down ... but rich people get more and more rich LoL ... as Poutine told it, there is no crisis in Russia ....

Russia want peace... DPR of Donestk just annonced they do not want peace ... and will make a complete war ... to kill all soldier ...
You want to speak about respect of soldier ... ho yes video lately published by Pro RUssian are so true again ... where are the respect ... why on Ukrainian soldier killed ... almost all have a bullet in head ?? To finish them ?
If video like this where available for Pro Russian for sure Russia & they slave ... could be the first one to show it ...

Now dead will be huge number ... as seems Pro russian do not want peace ... either have they respected it ?? As they never stopped to shell the airport ...
legendary
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January 21, 2015, 03:42:05 PM
ROFL! Dear god, the double-standards and bullshit in this threat are still incredible!  Grin I stopped reading this for a few months, and came back to check through them, and OMFG you guys are dumb. The Russia and Ukraine situation isn't even reported on in US. No one gives a shit. And it's extremely funny that all the news about things going on in Ukraine are only being reported by from Russian news sources, which, apparently, arent even allowed to go into Ukraine, or get killed there.

I would point out all the many ways in which the reports you idiots are posting ehre are contradictory, but it would take me half a day just to compile all of them.

Though for your dumbass benefit, the two ones that stand out the most are the quote

" A mere year ago.. Ukraine was a calm and peaceful nation, it had extremly good gas deals with Russia, buying the cheapest gas in Europe, it was about to get a 19 billion dollar loan and it was going to join the Eurasian economic zone.. All was well.."

which forgets the $100 BILLION stolen by Yanukovich and his gang, and the fact that credit ratings for countries don't change over a single year, and a bad rating is a signal of extremely bad past policies. What's happening in Ukraine economically is not the result of Maidan protests and Poroshenko, Maidan protests and Poroshenko is the result of what has been happening in Ukraine for years.
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January 18, 2015, 12:53:53 PM
A curious incident happened in the Ukrainian Rada a few days ago: The finance minister complained from the tribune that she has too low a salary, at which point, Ljashko, one of the coup-makers, came up to her and dumped a heap of dollar bills in from of her, which she too. It later turned out that the bills were counterfeit!

Wonder if it was Soros or Kerry, who provided the fake dollars (for the right to plunder the very real Ukrainian gold reserves)?

That's really fucking crazy
legendary
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January 18, 2015, 11:20:42 AM
A curious incident happened in the Ukrainian Rada a few days ago: The finance minister complained from the tribune that she has too low a salary, at which point, Ljashko, one of the coup-makers, came up to her and dumped a heap of dollar bills in from of her, which she too. It later turned out that the bills were counterfeit!

Wonder if it was Soros or Kerry, who provided the fake dollars (for the right to plunder the very real Ukrainian gold reserves)?



The photo above from the following article, which in addition asks the question of where is the Ukrainian gold:
http://kp.ua/politics/486447-liashko-v-rade-zakydal-hontarevu-dollaramy-y-hryvnamy
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 03:50:59 PM
Hoo yes your forget to add : before all the money was going to some oligarch ... and corruption / Mafia ... now game is over ... and Poutine's friend do not want to loose the piece of cake LoL ...
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January 16, 2015, 09:00:38 AM
A good reader comment summarizing the effect on Ukraine of it being infected by the American democracy in the following article:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-cuts-ukraine-gas-supply-6-european-countries

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for readers who need a history lesson, Imagine the situation... A mere year ago.. Ukraine was a calm and peaceful nation, it had extremly good gas deals with Russia, buying the cheapest gas in Europe, it was about to get a 19 billion dollar loan and it was going to join the Eurasian economic zone.. All was well..

But then the democratically elected president dared to oppose the will of USA.. And within months he was overthrown by a violent antidemocratic coup that installed pro-USA nazists and oligarchs as the new junta government, the people of Crimea toke their chance and seceded while the unconstitutional pro-USA junta was still new in power.. And the Donbas region toke the chance and vote for more self-rule.. At which the pro-USA coup government responded to by sending armed nazi battalions and forced conscripts.. Starting the Ukrainian civil war.

Now the Ukranian economy is ruined.
20 000+ Ukraninian soldiers are dead.
Ukraine pays normal gas prices.
Ukraine is moments away from default.
Ukraine relationship with its brother Russia is ruined.
The Donbas region is in revolt and Crimea is lost forever.
Even if Donbas was taken back with military violence there would be partisan warfare there forever due to all the acts of terror and genocide comitted by the pro-USA forces(Starvation, clusterbombing, terror)
And now Ukraine is about to loose its biggest source of income, the oil/gas pipelines to Europe.

Ukraine situation has gone from positive to hell in a mere couple of months. Just like the situation in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, where USA meddled as well.
legendary
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January 12, 2015, 12:50:18 PM
Lada Rays' extended background on White Emigration, with regard to the open letter that was posted previously:

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/01/10/open-letter-from-descendants-of-the-white-emigration-against-western-russophobia/
legendary
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January 11, 2015, 06:03:20 AM
Europe decided not to invest into Ukrainian gas pipe. Those who took power in Kiev expected that there will be a lot of offers coming to invest into Ukrainian gas pipe infrastructure during 2014, but none came so far:
http://ria.ru/world/20150111/1042052280.html
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January 09, 2015, 01:59:48 PM
Yatsenjuk was yesterday in Germany, grovelling before Merkel to give him €500 million of EU taxpayers' money so as to continue the genocide in Novorossia. She promised to give guarantees of possible payments by some or another bank.

But was not the biggest issue. The biggest thing was Yatsenjuk's speech, where here said that Soviet Union attacked Germany and Ukraine in WWII. The magnitude of the lie and twisting is mind-boggling, exceeding many a lie uttered by the words NATO-trolls on internet. Russian Ministry of Foreign affairs decried the blatant falsification of history and asked Germany for an official clarification of their stance with regard to Yatsenjuk's statement.

Moscow asks Berlin to clarify Germany’s position on Ukrainian premier’s claims
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/770579

But of course...

German govt refuses to comment on Ukrainian PM’s assertions about WW II history
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/770579

The Ukrainian prime minister, who has been appointed to this position by Nuland(Nudelman) even befor eUSA conducted the Nazi coup d'etat in Ukraine in February 2014, has in essence made two lies and one admission in his statement:

Lie 1: Soviet Union did not attack Germany.
Lie 2: Ukraine was a part of Soviet Union, and, before that a part of Russia under the names of Novorossia and Malorossia, and could not be thus attacked by USSR.
Admission: Galicia was not at that time a part of USSR, it was annexed to Ukraine by Stalin after WWII. But Galicia was known as "Ukraine" (edge) of Austra-Hungarian empire. By saying that USSR attacked "Ukraine", Yatskenjuk acknowledges, that Glaicia was Ukraine, while Malorossia and Novorossia were not (they did the attacking as part of USSR). Incidentally, all of the current toxic ultra-nationalism in Ukraine comes from Galicia.
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January 08, 2015, 07:23:46 AM
Gas reserves + revolution's getting awful popular, maybe the fumes send people mad or something. Screw both of them, sign up with glorious peoples republic of China instead and raise a real shitstorm Wink

China is already buying up all the quality farmland in Ukraine for a few pennies per acre. Not only in Ukraine, they have also bought farmland in may other smaller European nations.

Please don't tell me you actually trust those news about China buying 40% or so of the total agricultural land in Ukraine....

I don't know about that but I do believe China has invested heavily in Iraq and Africa.  It's clear they are trying to widen their sphere of influence but I think they're trying to do it silently.
You also need to understand why they want to buy it up ,its for the natural resources for there country of population & production leading country to produce anything , 90% of it is garbage they are all about making a profit ,,,the U.S. is in great debt to china and I wouldn't be surprise that the u.s. has there nose into it aswell
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