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legendary
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March 24, 2014, 06:19:54 AM
Waiting for the real EU & US sanctions, it would be really helpful for industrial sector of CIS economy. Just tired of these "sanctions will be serious blahblahblah" Smiley

Somebody should to create a petition on the WH site... SANCTIONS! S-A-N-C-T-I-O-N-S! S-AA-N-C-T-II-O-N-S! Grin

// Sorry, went to the cinema.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 05:25:16 AM
http://rt.com/politics/russia-asset-freeze-sanctions-897/

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A top Russian lawmaker has revealed he is working on a bill that would freeze the assets of European and American companies operating in Russia in reply to Western economic sanctions.

 The chairman of the upper house committee for constitutional law, Andrey Klishas, is sure that Russia must have an enough leverage to deal with the threat of sanctions coming from foreign countries.A team of lawyers are currently preparing a separate federal bill that would allow the Russian president and government to confiscate foreign owned property in Russia, including assets belonging to private companies, the senator told the RIA Novosti news agency.

The bill is in response to the major political crisis in Ukraine and the threat of sanctions against Russia coming from the USA and other countries.

“All sanctions must be mutual,” Klishas stated.

The senator added that he had no doubts that such a measure was in line with European standards. “We can recall the example of Cyprus where the confiscation was, in essence, one of the conditions for getting aid from European Union.

About time: http://rt.com/politics/obama-nobel-double-standards-813/

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A Russian senator has asked the Nobel Committee to annul the award given to the US President last year claiming Barack Obama’s double standard policy has helped develop the political crisis in Ukraine.
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In November last year two Russian NGOs, Officers of Russia and Soldiers’ Mothers, asked the Nobel Committee to evaluate the information according to which Barack Obama had noted he was ‘very good at killing people’ while discussing drone warfare with his close aides. Russian activists claimed that these words were hardly compatible with the title of a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. They also added that the Peace Prize bestowed on Obama was a sort of 'advance' given in return for promises and press statements made during the previous election campaign, but in reality the deeds of the US leader contradict his earlier rhetoric and this means that the ‘advance’ can be rescinded.
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legendary
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March 24, 2014, 04:03:32 AM
http://ecob2b.net/ru/news/post/87-V_Ukraine_yadernogo_topliva_ostalos_na_dva_mesyaca

Current nuclear fuel reserves will be enough only for two months.  Roll Eyes

It seems that they thought about their "revolution" too much amount of time.

Well... the NATO will provide the Ukrainians with nuclear fuel. So no problems there.  Grin

However, I wonder how much of it will end up in the hands of Al Qaeda.
Ukraine already sent money to RosAtom for 4 fuel supplies, but the border is closed now... So they can't provide fuel unless situation will be resolved.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 03:57:43 AM
And here's who wins from the bogus military amassing reports: USA who wants to send military to Ukraine (and so the history of Yugoslavia, Lybia, Iraq, Tunis, Egypt, Vietnam, Afghanistan and many other countries, "helped" by the Us is to repeat itself?)

http://rt.com/usa/republicans-military-equipment-ukraine-729/
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 03:54:25 AM
http://ecob2b.net/ru/news/post/87-V_Ukraine_yadernogo_topliva_ostalos_na_dva_mesyaca

Current nuclear fuel reserves will be enough only for two months.  Roll Eyes

It seems that they thought about their "revolution" too much amount of time.

Well... the NATO will provide the Ukrainians with nuclear fuel. So no problems there.  Grin

However, I wonder how much of it will end up in the hands of Al Qaeda.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 03:34:21 AM
http://ecob2b.net/ru/news/post/87-V_Ukraine_yadernogo_topliva_ostalos_na_dva_mesyaca

Current nuclear fuel reserves will be enough only for two months.  Roll Eyes

It seems that they thought about their "revolution" too much amount of time.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 03:25:30 AM
Russian troops may be massing to invade Ukraine, says White House

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/russian-troops-may-invade-ukraine-white-house

<< Blinken: troop buildup on eastern border "deeply concerning". Nato chief: force is "very, very sizeable and very, very ready". >>


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Even BBC has shown the people in eastern Ukraine blocking the Ukrainian troops movement towards the border with slogans: "Russians are our friends! Kiev government is our enemy!"

So It would be difficult for Kiev to ask these people not to respond on possible (though very inlikely) Russian military invasion with cheers and flowers.

Why the hell does Russia at all bothers letting foreign military representatives perform inspections on its soil, when the findings are twisted for the public view anyway?

Moscow: No troop build-up or undeclared military activity near Ukraine borders
http://rt.com/news/russia-troops-limit-border-673/



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Russia is observing all international agreements on troop limits in regions bordering Ukraine, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said, adding that foreign missions’ inspections can confirm that.

The statement was made in response to reports by several foreign media outlets over concentrations of "thousands" of Russian servicemen on the Russian-Ukrainian border.

“By the way this issue has during the last month been regularly raised in telephone conversations between Russia’s Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, and his foreign counterparts, including US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and even acting Ukrainian Defense Minister Igor Tenyukh,” Anatoly Antonov, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said.

Sergey Shoigu has, in a very transparent manner, informed all of them about the real situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border. He also stressed that Russia has no intention to concentrate troops there, Antonov said.

Following recent probes by foreign missions in Russia of Ukraine’s bordering regions, foreign inspectors came to the conclusion that "Russian Armed Forces are not undertaking any undeclared military activity that would threaten the security of neighboring countries," Antonov added.

The official said eight foreign inspection groups have recently visited Russia.

“Our venues and regions, where troops are stationed near Ukrainian borders, have twice been checked by the Ukrainian military,” the Deputy Minister said. “Besides, we have had on our territory inspectors from the US, Canada, Germany, France, Switzerland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia and Finland.”

Seven of those eight missions were interested in Russian regions bordering with Ukraine, Antonov said. Foreign inspectors were allowed to talk to chiefs of the Russian military units, make pictures of deployment sites and military vehicles, and control them during relocation.

“We did our best to meet our partners’ requests by allowing them to inspect all of the sites they wanted to. We have nothing to hide,” Antonov said.

The deputy minister said he was hoping that participants of those inspecting missions would inform their countries’ leaderships of what is really going on at the border between Russia and Ukraine.

"We believe this would to large extent facilitate release of tension, something the head of the Pentagon, Hagel, called for during his recent phone conversation with Minister Shoigu.”
Germans, French ‘nullified military co-op with Russia under pressure’

Berlin’s and Paris’ moves to halt military cooperation with Moscow are derailing the bilateral efforts of recent years and are completely unconstructive, Antonov said. However, according to the defense official, the two did so under pressure from their NATO ally.

“Obviously, the proverbial ‘Atlantic solidarity’ has made our French and German partners come up with loud statements against Russia,” Antonov said.

“Refusing from contacts and delegatory exchange though military departments brings to naught the positive tendencies established in the recent years, including the cooperation on Afghanistan, the dialogue on transparency of military activity and military-technical cooperation. We perceive the decision of the German side as taken under pressure and unconstructive,” Antonov stressed.

Both Russian and German defense ministries have recently undertaken some “serious efforts” in mutually beneficial cooperation, the official noted. He also highlighted the “unprecedented” bilateral work with France, including that of the Air Forces and Airborne Forces, noting that a “new impulse of cooperation” had been planned for 2014.

Addressing media on Sunday, Antonov stressed that Russia and its European partners are equally interested in military cooperation. It is “very easy to ruin what has been done by our countries [in the field of military cooperation] and it will be very difficult to restore relations,” he said.

The Russian side hopes that Germany and France will review the situation on the Ukrainian border upon receiving reports from the international inspectors and will move to restore the severed ties, Antonov said. For now, Moscow will act in accordance with the “existing realities,” he added.
legendary
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March 23, 2014, 07:57:09 PM

In Chernivtsi, they call themselves Romanian. In Odessa, they call themselves Moldvin. Both options are given during the census. They pick their choice.
legendary
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March 23, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
Russian troops may be massing to invade Ukraine, says White House

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/russian-troops-may-invade-ukraine-white-house

<< Blinken: troop buildup on eastern border "deeply concerning". Nato chief: force is "very, very sizeable and very, very ready". >>
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
legendary
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March 23, 2014, 09:12:07 AM
Which begs the question, why not organise a referendum there, the results of which will surely indicate the wish for reunification with Poland. And I think the official Poland will not be opposed to this (though I read some comments from the ordinary Poles, who are not too keen on the idea). Everyone will be happy - NATO, EU, Poland, Cossacks. The only ones who will be unhappy, are the ethnic Russians living in that Western region, but they are a minority there, so they'll have to either live with the results or migrate.

Well... western Ukraine is not ethnically homogeneous.... there are regions having majority populations from the Magyar, Ruthenian, Bulgarian, Moldvin and Gagauz ethnic groups.
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March 23, 2014, 07:06:10 AM
The Kuban Cossacks, who led the revolts against Poland, absolutely hate the Ukrainian state - even though, for all intensive purposes, these Kuban Cossacks are Ukrainian (as noted per their culture and customs).

Kuban Cossacks don't hate Ukrainians. However, they hate those radical pro-EU types from Lviv and Ternopil.

These areas (Lviv, Ternopil.etc) were originally part of Poland which were merged with Ukraine after the WW2. So the Kuban Cossacks identify the people who are native to these areas with ethnic Poles, their arch rivals.

Which begs the question, why not organise a referendum there, the results of which will surely indicate the wish for reunification with Poland. And I think the official Poland will not be opposed to this (though I read some comments from the ordinary Poles, who are not too keen on the idea). Everyone will be happy - NATO, EU, Poland, Cossacks. The only ones who will be unhappy, are the ethnic Russians living in that Western region, but they are a minority there, so they'll have to either live with the results or migrate.

Why not just split the goddamn country into parts, and give them to neighboring countries?
legendary
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March 23, 2014, 06:38:01 AM
The Kuban Cossacks, who led the revolts against Poland, absolutely hate the Ukrainian state - even though, for all intensive purposes, these Kuban Cossacks are Ukrainian (as noted per their culture and customs).

Kuban Cossacks don't hate Ukrainians. However, they hate those radical pro-EU types from Lviv and Ternopil.

These areas (Lviv, Ternopil.etc) were originally part of Poland which were merged with Ukraine after the WW2. So the Kuban Cossacks identify the people who are native to these areas with ethnic Poles, their arch rivals.

Which begs the question, why not organise a referendum there, the results of which will surely indicate the wish for reunification with Poland. And I think the official Poland will not be opposed to this (though I read some comments from the ordinary Poles, who are not too keen on the idea). Everyone will be happy - NATO, EU, Poland, Cossacks. The only ones who will be unhappy, are the ethnic Russians living in that Western region, but they are a minority there, so they'll have to either live with the results or migrate.
legendary
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March 23, 2014, 12:19:39 AM
The Kuban Cossacks, who led the revolts against Poland, absolutely hate the Ukrainian state - even though, for all intensive purposes, these Kuban Cossacks are Ukrainian (as noted per their culture and customs).

Kuban Cossacks don't hate Ukrainians. However, they hate those radical pro-EU types from Lviv and Ternopil.

These areas (Lviv, Ternopil.etc) were originally part of Poland which were merged with Ukraine after the WW2. So the Kuban Cossacks identify the people who are native to these areas with ethnic Poles, their arch rivals.
legendary
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March 22, 2014, 10:06:32 PM
Stupid NATO allows them to destroy entire western civilization. Roll Eyes

Just close the southern borders and they all will be eradicated by hunger. If they can't cultivate anything except poppy... Once time this will be the first statement of my presidential program Roll Eyes

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March 22, 2014, 09:43:39 PM
Hmmm. It would not be the first time US was covertly in favour of drugs:
http://rt.com/politics/drugs-sanctions-us-russia-329/

Also, the last US ambassador (Jack Matlock) to SU makes a lot of sense in this interview:
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/former_ambassador_russia_responding_to_years_of_us_hostility_20140320

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“I think that what we have seen is a reaction, in many respects, to a long history of what the Russian government, the Russian president and many of the Russian people—most of them—feel has been a pattern of American activity that has been hostile to Russia and has simply disregarded their national interests,” former ambassador Jack Matlock told “Democracy Now!” on Thursday.

“They feel that having thrown off communism, having dispensed with the Soviet Empire, that the U.S. systematically, from the time it started expanding NATO to the east, without them, and then using NATO to carry out what they consider offensive actions about an—against another country—in this case, Serbia—a country which had not attacked any NATO member, and then detached territory from it—this is very relevant now to what we’re seeing happening in Crimea—and then continued to place bases in these countries, to move closer and closer to borders, and then to talk of taking Ukraine, most of whose people didn’t want to be a member of NATO, into NATO, and Georgia. Now, this began an intrusion into an area which the Russians are very sensitive.

“Now, how would Americans feel if some Russian or Chinese or even West European started putting bases in Mexico or in the Caribbean, or trying to form governments that were hostile to us? You know, we saw how we virtually went ballistic over Cuba. And I think that we have not been very attentive to what it takes to have a harmonious relationship with Russia.”

The world would have been a better place if people like he or Ron Paul were the US presidents, while people like Pozner - Russian presidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3V98lnJX1k

You can't win.

My $.02.

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March 22, 2014, 09:41:44 PM
Balthazar u can add that tatar is the second language in russian federation
Crimea will have three official languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar

Be a lot easier if they just switched to English but doing so would put a lot of translatators out of business.

My $.02.

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Just remembered about this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hd9hzS9KFk

 Smiley


My, my; the theme from "Jurassic Park".

How creative.

My $.02.

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legendary
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March 22, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
Balthazar u can add that tatar is the second language in russian federation
Crimea will have three official languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar

Be a lot easier if they just switched to English but doing so would put a lot of translatators out of business.

My $.02.

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Just remembered about this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hd9hzS9KFk


 Smiley
legendary
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
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March 22, 2014, 06:38:03 AM
My grandma was sent to Siberia as a child, for hard labor. Soviets took their homes. My grandma had her first child in cold, harsh Siberia.
Your grandma's ethnicity?

Latvian with some parts of Polish. She was only 12. Hard labor was mostly logging. Her future husband was a German civil guy sent to Siberia, a craftsman.

Hmmm. It would not be the first time US was covertly in favour of drugs:
http://rt.com/politics/drugs-sanctions-us-russia-329/
Also, the last US ambassador to SU makes a lot of sense in this interview:
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/former_ambassador_russia_responding_to_years_of_us_hostility_20140320
The world would have been a better place if people like he or Ron Paul were the US presidents, while people like Pozner - Russian presidents.

That's one of the biggest things which bother me. After US invasion Afghanistan has boosted it's drug production massively. When there were Taliban - drug production was much more limited.
I really hope that this is about money, and not about deliberately fucking over Russia and Europe.
Those poppy seeds should be dosed with napalm or chemicals. 80% of opium supply in the world? It's crazy!
And US argument is - people would be out of their jobs. WTF? APPALLING! They are working as death dealers now. Force them to grow potatoes instead.
I would even go so far as to offer to subsidize them for growing other stuff other than poppy, or for doing something completely different. And we could cover that with the budget money which goes on fighting drugs.

And yeah, Ron Paul even with his flaws, would look much better than Romney. Romney was such a joke, as if deliberately put there so Obama could win easily.
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