Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 88.

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Ukraine expects to increase domestic gas prices by 40% once discounted import prices from Russia expire, the country’s Energy Minister Yury Prodan told journalists in the European Parliament on Thursday.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/honeymoon-over-ukraine-stun-citizens-40-gas-price-hike
so who keeps the 10% ? if the price gets up 40% and the russian discount was 30% who pocket the difference ?

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Quote from: Minefield4 on March 20, 2014, 01:09:15 PM

Scary, apparently there were/are several EU(file) ministers publicly calling for an EU army to be formed.

now wee need a leader to start the Fourth Reich, Merkel is that you ?

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Scary, apparently there were/are several EU(file) ministers publicly calling for an EU army to be formed.

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Maidaners are beating the police in Kiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srEM0jjihFU

Svoboda members pulling on the director of the first Ukrainian channel to sign off his duty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHKfJuUvThM

Ukraine police interrogation by maidan volunteers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdjYodKQ6B0

A man interrogation by maidan volunteers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwoZvsF_138

An attempted murder of a deputy in Myrhorod, Ukraine, (10:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-jjVjajfHw

Automaidan activists attempt to racket the Lucoil director.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVnS5Fwz9w8

Maidaner is beating the woman near the maidan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhPk0VxCzbs

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 20, 2014, 09:48:36 AM

As for how Estonia treats its Russian-speaking population... Have you hear the term "niggers"? This bitter term is a play on the word "non-citizens" (нeгpaждaнe), applied to the Russian population of Estonia, who are denied citizenship and thus any human rights. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler, it's the Estonian government, who are not far from starting physically branding Russian population. David's star, anyone?

Of course this couldn't be an excuse for what they are doing with human rights, but their problem is that Estonians are becoming extinct as the nation. Just compare an official statistics from 1990s to the present days... Estonians population is decreasing constantly. If this will continue then 40-50 years later Estonia will be turned into one big cementary.

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Quote from: AnonyMint on March 20, 2014, 06:57:33 AM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 19, 2014, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: AnonyMint on March 19, 2014, 11:44:26 AM

Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

Nah, I don't think Russia would care. Russia is not about to invade anybody.
If someone wants to join Russia, go ahead and vote for it on the local level, and Russia would give you a brotherly welcome.
Taking a territory by force never leads to anything good.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/19/russia-threatens-estonia-17th-member-of-eurozone/

Though that article is strong-worded, does it nowhere point out the source that Russia threatened Estonia in any way. If anything this new wave of hysteria comes from Hillary Clinton's lips.

As for how Estonia treats its Russian-speaking population... Have you hear the term "niggers"? This bitter term is a play on the word "non-citizens" (нeгpaждaнe), applied to the Russian population of Estonia, who are denied citizenship and thus any human rights. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler, it's the Estonian government, who are not far from starting physically branding Russian population. David's star, anyone?

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The Soviet Union didn't fall - the SSR leaders dismantled it. The Governors in the U.S. could do the samething with the Federal Government.

As per the ethnic uprisings - I agree U.S. had limited impact. IIRC, Finland funded the singing revolution (google it) in the Baltic States, so there's a scapegoat if you need one.

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this is sad for people of the same country to possibly undergo war specially if it's followed by a russian invasion.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt659S3Fh8Y

"Consequences of the EU and US sanctions"

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Citizenship or visa aren't necessary sometimes.

CIS (except for Georgia), Abkhazia, South Osetia, Ghana, Albania, Angola, Venezuela, Israel, Argentina, Salvador, Peru, Equador citizens are allowed to visit Russian Federation for up to 90 days;
Serbia and Chernogoria, Cuba, Antigua, Barbuda, Barbados, Macedonia, Maldives, Thailand - 30 days;

Philippines - trial period is limited with 21 days;
Vietnam - 15 days;

and a few other exceptions.

Quote from: pioter on March 20, 2014, 07:35:06 AM

you cannot ask, putin ask for you Grin

In USA the Matrix has you. In Soviet Russia you have the Matrix.

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Quote from: 247crypto on March 19, 2014, 08:19:46 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 19, 2014, 11:48:09 AM

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

Lie. Try yourself to ask it.

you cannot ask, putin ask for you Grin

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Now Estonia is just like "elusive Joe" from the famous novel, because it wouldn't provide any strategic benefits. The same is correct for Latvia and Lithuania, also we shouldn't forget that their economy is about to be collapsed. I don't think that anybody would like to get their debts in exchange for nothing.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 19, 2014, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: AnonyMint on March 19, 2014, 11:44:26 AM

Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

Nah, I don't think Russia would care. Russia is not about to invade anybody.
If someone wants to join Russia, go ahead and vote for it on the local level, and Russia would give you a brotherly welcome.
Taking a territory by force never leads to anything good.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/19/russia-threatens-estonia-17th-member-of-eurozone/

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Quote from: 247crypto on March 19, 2014, 08:19:46 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 19, 2014, 11:48:09 AM

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

Lie. Try yourself to ask it.

It would take me about a month or less to receive it.

Sorry, I should have been more precise: Any Russian expatriot or Russian national, who ended up outside of the borders of RF after the SU dissolvement is entitled to Russian citizenship using either a "simplified procedure" or a "birth-right procedure". There are also standard procedure for receiving Russian citizenship, but the criteria allowing you to apply for one are pretty wide, and much wider than the ones allowing to apply for US citizenship.

For more info:
http://www.kdmid.ru/cons.aspx?lst=cnslfunk&it=/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B%20%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0%20-%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%20%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B5.aspx

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B гpaждaнcтвo Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции в yпpoщeннoм пopядкe пpинимaютcя гpaждaнe и лицa бeз гpaждaнcтвa, пpoживaющиe нa тeppитopии Poccии:
- вeтepaны BOB, имeвшиe гpaждaнcтвo CCCP;
- тe, ктo poдилcя нa тeppитopии PCФCP и имeл гpaждaнcтвo CCCP;
- лицa, cocтoящиe в бpaкe c гpaждaнинoм Poccии нe мeнee тpex лeт;
- нeтpyдocпocoбныe инocтpaнныe гpaждaнe или лицa бeз гpaждaнcтвa, имeющиe дeecпocoбныx coвepшeннoлeтниx cынa или дoчь, являющиxcя poccийcкими гpaждaнaми.

Лицaм, пpoживaющим нa тeppитopии Poccии, пo вoпpocaм пpиoбpeтeния гpaждaнcтвa Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции нeoбxoдимo oбpaщaтьcя в тeppитopиaльныe opгaны Фeдepaльнoй мигpaциoннoй cлyжбы пo мecтy житeльcтвa, a тe, ктo живeт зa pyбeжoм, oбcтoятeльныe paзъяcнeния пo вceм acпeктaм пpиeмa в гpaждaнcтвo мoгyт пoлyчить в диплoмaтичecкиx пpeдcтaвитeльcтвax и кoнcyльcкиx yчpeждeнияx Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции.

In bold: - those who was born on the territory of Russian SSR and had USSR citizenship.

There are also programs in place to help people return to Russia.

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Illegality still in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgUhGo6CbKQ

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 19, 2014, 11:48:09 AM

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

Lie. Try yourself to ask it.

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Nice example, because USA and USSR are like twin brothers. Slightly different ideology (liberalism vs. state capitalism), but identical structure and methods... And the same destruction process is working.

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A small addition to one of my previous posts with an analogy.

While I still think my "domestic life" analogy is quite relevant, here is a more political one, geared towards Americans. One thing to remember first, is that individual republics within USSR had the same, if not bigger, level of autonomous government as the individual States of the USA, except for Russia, which de-facto seized to exist, and everyone treated its territories as he saw fit (starting with Lenin, who allowed secession of Finland and gave a part of Russia to newly-formed Ukrainian SSR)

Think of this scenario:

To commemorate New Jersey Constitution, Obama decides to give Manhattan as a present to New Jersey. The decision is presented during an informal dinner party with the Senators, who after having partaken some brandy nod in agreement. Next day this decision is presented to the American Nation as fact accompli.

That's what happened to Crimea in 1954.

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As for investigations into the sniper killings, Russia is interfering by giving Russian citizenship to the Berkut officers so they could avoid being investigated.

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

As for prosecutions, don't forget to prosecute those 10 militia members gunned down by sniper fire and many Berkut officers stabbed, kicked and bludgeoned to death by peaceful masked men with full body armour.

Quote from: AnonyMint on March 19, 2014, 11:44:26 AM

Armstrong demonstrates he is a student of history. Here is the true and complete story:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/the-us-did-not-cause-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union-that-is-a-false-belief-on-both-sides/

An interesting read. Especially the three concluding paragraphs. The world could have been a much more peaceful place, if not for all the nose-rubbing.
Russia is not there yet, but one can take only so much nose-rubbing. History should be remembered. For example what happened with Germany after it lost WWI, and was treated like shit with all the sanctions and humiliation.

Quote from: AnonyMint on March 19, 2014, 11:44:26 AM

Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

Nah, I don't think Russia would care. Russia is not about to invade anybody.
If someone wants to join Russia, go ahead and vote for it on the local level, and Russia would give you a brotherly welcome.
Taking a territory by force never leads to anything good.

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