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legendary
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March 30, 2014, 12:34:43 PM
Lavrov: If West accepts coup-appointed Kiev govt, it must accept a Russian Crimea

'Ukraine needs end of violence, constitutional reform and federalization'

http://rt.com/news/lavrov-crimea-ukraine-west-181/

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March 30, 2014, 12:29:45 PM


Russia threatened several Eastern European and Central Asian states with retaliation if they voted in favor of a United Nations General Assembly resolution this week declaring invalid Crimea’s referendum on seceding from Ukraine, U.N. diplomats said.

The disclosures about Russian threats came after Moscow accused Western countries of using “shameless pressure, up to the point of political blackmail and economic threats,” in an attempt to coerce the United Nations’ 193 member states to join it in supporting the non-binding resolution on the Ukraine crisis.

According to interviews with U.N. diplomats, most of whom preferred to speak on condition of anonymity for fear of angering Moscow, the targets of Russian threats included Moldova, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan as well as a number of African countries.

A spokesman for Russia’s Mission to the U.N. denied that Moscow threatened any country with retaliation if it supported the resolution, saying: “We never threaten anyone. We just explain the situation.”

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-russia-threatened-countries-ahead-un-vote-ukraine-221945820.html

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March 30, 2014, 11:29:44 AM
With the Eu nations yet to fully recover from the recession, that is not surprising. And the only country which has gained from the NATO (i.e other than the US itself) is Turkey.

The Turkish population is rapidly growing. In the near future, Turkey will become no.2 in the NATO, replacing the UK, Germany and France.
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March 30, 2014, 08:52:31 AM
During the "cold war" USA provided less than 50% of total NATO budget. Now more than 70% of NATO spendings are handled by USA.

With the Eu nations yet to fully recover from the recession, that is not surprising. And the only country which has gained from the NATO (i.e other than the US itself) is Turkey.
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March 29, 2014, 10:05:27 PM
During the "cold war" USA provided less than 50% of total NATO budget. Now more than 70% of NATO spendings are handled by USA.

NATO already passed a peak of power a long time ago, now it's nothing more than paper tiger with dropped jaw. A corrupt organization with many controversies behind a veil, and already proven inability to work on the direct purpose.


USA spends over 70% and there are more countries with membership?  Huh
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legendary
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March 29, 2014, 04:49:54 PM
During the "cold war" USA provided less than 50% of total NATO budget. Now more than 70% of NATO spendings are handled by USA.

NATO already passed a peak of power a long time ago, now it's nothing more than paper tiger with dropped jaw. A corrupt organization with many controversies behind a veil, and already proven inability to work on the direct purpose.
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March 29, 2014, 04:26:09 PM


Nearly 100,000 Russian forces have massed on Ukraine’s border, a top Ukrainian defense official told an American audience Thursday, giving a number far higher than US military estimates.

“Almost 100,000 soldiers are stationed on the borders of Ukraine and in the direction … of Kharkiv, Donetsk, “ Andriy Parubiy, chairman of Ukraine’s national security council, said via a webcast from Kiev.

“Russian troops are not in Crimea only, they are along all Ukrainian borders. They’re in the south, they’re in the east and in the north,” Parubiy said.

After its intervention in the Crimean peninsula, Russia is plotting to foment separatist sentiment elsewhere and Kiev fears a possible incursion in the country’s east, he told the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank.

Parubiy said Ukraine was braced for invasion any day now.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140327-ukraine-claims-100000-russian-troops-near-border/

Pray for peace, prepare for Hell.

As I said in my earlier response to that quote, it's nothing but fearmongering.

Russia has its forces station along most of its border in approximately the same density.

Interestingly, US also has its forces stationed along Russian borders:


 Grin
legendary
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March 29, 2014, 03:14:03 PM


Nearly 100,000 Russian forces have massed on Ukraine’s border, a top Ukrainian defense official told an American audience Thursday, giving a number far higher than US military estimates.

“Almost 100,000 soldiers are stationed on the borders of Ukraine and in the direction … of Kharkiv, Donetsk, “ Andriy Parubiy, chairman of Ukraine’s national security council, said via a webcast from Kiev.

“Russian troops are not in Crimea only, they are along all Ukrainian borders. They’re in the south, they’re in the east and in the north,” Parubiy said.

After its intervention in the Crimean peninsula, Russia is plotting to foment separatist sentiment elsewhere and Kiev fears a possible incursion in the country’s east, he told the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank.

Parubiy said Ukraine was braced for invasion any day now.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140327-ukraine-claims-100000-russian-troops-near-border/

Pray for peace, prepare for Hell.
legendary
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March 29, 2014, 02:07:05 PM
A very informative, large and comprehensive analytical interview with Foreign Minister Lavrov:

http://rt.com/news/lavrov-interview-ukraine-russia-065/

It's a must read, if one wants to know the Russian position from the source, and not as it is re-told by the Western outlets.
legendary
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March 28, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
He's probably one of the better candidates for Ukrainian presidency.
legendary
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March 28, 2014, 08:15:05 AM
Who needs a good laugh?

"Darth Vader is running for president of Ukraine"
http://russian.rt.com/article/25701
http://rt.com/news/vader-presidential-hopeful-ukraine-885/
 Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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March 28, 2014, 04:51:42 AM
Apropos: Just read an ingenious term: "evrolution" Cheesy

Who needs a good laugh?

Turchinov's comments today, that Right wing radicals fascists who installed him in power, and now threaten to dislodge him after liquidation of one of their thugs, are agents of Russia.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/367965

Also read this:
http://rt.com/news/right-sector-muzychko-ban-761/

And something more serious:

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In the Moscow region police arrested a Ukrainian "partisan" with an arsenal of weapons and explosives. It's possible that he had intention to combat in the so-called guerrilla war on the territory of Russia.
http://vesti.ru/videos?vid=587774

legendary
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March 28, 2014, 04:50:56 AM
Seizure of power is not enough if you wish to declare a revolution. The "Revolution" term has an exact definition.

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A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time.

Examples of real revolution:

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Absolute monarchy -> Constitutional monarchy (see britain for example)
Absolute monarchy -> Liberal republic (see russian empire -> russian republic for example)
Constitutional monarchy -> Absolute monarchy (happened in poland, I can't remember the exact date)
Liberal republic -> Absolute monarchy (happened in france, done by Napoleon)
Liberal republic -> Socialist republic (see russian republic -> russian soviet federative socialist republic for example)
Socialist republic -> Liberal republic (see RSFSR -> RF for example)
...
etc.

In the Ukraine we see no revolution at all. Nothing has been changed in power, organizational structures are left unchanged too. So, any statements about so-called "revolution" are bullshit.

By the way, even in Crimea we haven't seen any revolutionary changes, because the parliamentary system is left unchanged. The same people are ruling the same government, even anthem and flag are the same.
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March 28, 2014, 04:31:34 AM
@PrintMule: Sorry, my mistake.

That doesn't look good at all..it's clear those soldiers aren't there to play golf or do peaceful military exercises.

That's nothing but fearmongering.
Russia has troops stationed along the perimeter of its border. Plus you may excuse Russia for taking protective measures when NATO pulls war units to Poland and Baltic countries.
Besides, NATO's observers were only recently inspecting Russian forces in the border regions both from air and on ground and found nothing untoward.
I just hope that these observations will not be used the same way as NATO's "observations" in Yugoslavia, when they collected target data for their air strikes.

And on topic of fearmongering:

Ukraine announced mobilisation of all males younger than 55 years:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/252355?doctype=news

Kiev's bomb shelters are to be made ready for use:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/28/n_6044169.shtml

Well, might be a wise move, if note decides to follow up on Timoshenko's suggestion of killing all Russians in Ukraine with nukes.  Shocked
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March 28, 2014, 12:15:08 AM
Yeah, sure. Russia convinced Obama to pay Fascists 5 mill USD, while training militant thugs in war camps in Latvia, then it constantly forced the EU top brass to visit Maidan and spread out the word and the free buns.
You're mistaking  Latvia with Lithuania
Lithuania has closer ties with Ukraine, and those news mentioned Lithuanian training camps (which Lithuania denied)
Latvia is anti-Russia too, but not to that extent. Out politicians are pathetic whelps with no backbone.

I've searched for this vid on youtube, and strangely - there's none.

How can you call this..Revolution?


And French revolution was a walk in a park? And Russian revolution was even more laid back? Smiley
I bet Cuban revolution was executed in a form of a carnaval, with festivities for kids?

It's not a revolution, but because other reasons than pointed out by you.
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March 27, 2014, 06:49:08 PM
That doesn't look good at all..it's clear those soldiers aren't there to play golf or do peaceful military exercises.
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March 27, 2014, 06:00:36 PM


Nearly 100,000 Russian forces have massed on Ukraine’s border, a top Ukrainian defense official told an American audience Thursday, giving a number far higher than US military estimates.

“Almost 100,000 soldiers are stationed on the borders of Ukraine and in the direction … of Kharkiv, Donetsk, “ Andriy Parubiy, chairman of Ukraine’s national security council, said via a webcast from Kiev.

“Russian troops are not in Crimea only, they are along all Ukrainian borders. They’re in the south, they’re in the east and in the north,” Parubiy said.

After its intervention in the Crimean peninsula, Russia is plotting to foment separatist sentiment elsewhere and Kiev fears a possible incursion in the country’s east, he told the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank.

Parubiy said Ukraine was braced for invasion any day now.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140327-ukraine-claims-100000-russian-troops-near-border/
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March 27, 2014, 02:55:20 PM

That guy's first couple throws were wimpy. You want to break the window? Throw like a man.
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