Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 89. (Read 227096 times)

Armstrong demonstrates he is a student of history. Here is the true and complete story:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/the-us-did-not-cause-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union-that-is-a-false-belief-on-both-sides/

Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

No.

Russia was under USSR control as well, please don't forget that.

Nikita Hrushov, gave Crimea (taking it from Russia) as a personal favour present to Ukrainian SSR so as to gain support from the Ukrainian Communist Party tops (who were the most numerous after the ones in Russia, and some of the most influential in USSR). Hrushov started a process of demoting the cult of Stalin, yet he himself had blood on his hands, Ukrainian blood not the least. Crimea also served the purpose of "righting the wrongs" and making those in power in Ukraine "forget" what Hrushov did.

That present was unconstitutional - the constitution of USSR did not have provisions for transferring parts of one member state to another member state.

Finally, this transfer met resistance among locals, resistance which never abated and which I witnessed myself when I went to Crimea both in the Soviet era and after USSR dissolved. Even the leader of the Communist Party of Crimea spoke against it, for which he was removed from his post.

No, it does not. It means what I wrote it means - "at the border", "near the edge".
Back-country would be "зaдвopки".

Besides, Ukraina has rich productive agricultural lands, which compensate not having sea ports, so what's your point?


Thieves?

A band of government officials enters you home, takes your wife, gives it to your neighbour, then leaves.
Your wife breaks down the neighbour's door and you protect her while she flees, after which you are labelled as a thief of your neighbour's woman.

That's what happened with Crimea.

Oh, and Poland are more than welcome to have the Western-Ukrainian territories back, if the people of Western Ukraine vote for it in a referendum (which they probably would do)

Forward-quoting:


I'd like to add a keyword to that sentence: yet. The symptoms that Us displays are very much akin to those shown by SU during the last years of its existence.

Also, you are mixing up planned economy and communism. One does not imply the other, and vice versa.

Soviet Union fell apart because of an oversized war machine, where most of country's production went towards feeding that beast (which had a side effect of breeding an army of bureaucrats with ensuing corruption), while putting common folk's needs last. Useful during war time, counter-productive in a peaceful period. Reminds of the bulging democratic American war machine of today.

During the Soviet coup, just as now, during the Ukrainian overthrow of power, people had very little to say. Some guys met up in a forest and decided that Soviet Union is no more, preliminary locking up the legitimate president of the country.

A certain influence from abroad played its role as well. Not all are convinced that Yeltsin and his environment didn't have overseas masters.

I am not saying that Soviet Union was not on a downward spiral, but Gorbachev at least tried to reform it into a more open, economically feasible union, while meeting huge resistance from the military tops. If Gorbachev succeeded, Soviet Union would become something akin to the European Union, but who needs a strong union - divide an conquer (this also applies to the current state of EU, which is being systematically destroyed).

brainwashed fascist.

i hope so !
and second i hope that the eastern part of the ukraine joins russia too, or declares indipendence from the nazi-kiev-oligarch-nato-puppets.
the usa play a bad game,let the eu (which is stupid as 3m road) get the problems,because the war or civil war is in europe,
 and the usa trying to bring in :monsanto, fracking,exxon,haliburton, and some military outposts because they have only over 700 worldwide.


regards falseflag

Well, he is under-age, so hopefully he still has time to re-think his priorities and amend ways.

Typical brainwashed Svoboda supporter, who will spend the rest of his life behind bars in some Siberian penal colony.

This. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the term "Ukraine" means "on the border", "on the edge", which explains that map pretty well - the territories on the Southern borders/edge of what was Keiv Rus, and became Russia, with time stated to be referred to as Укpaинa ("Ukraina"). Not to put down Ukrainians, in Russian there is an everyday derived word, oкpaинa ("okraina"), which means "outskirts", "suburbs".

In good news:

- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
http://rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

- National Geographic will release updated maps, where Crimea is shown as part of Russian Federation

In bad news:

 - The chairmen of European Council Herman van Rompei was to visit Russia to discuss the situation in Ukraine, yet was prevented doing so by his own colleagues from the European Council, says Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

http://news.rambler.ru/24159225/

The commentary further said that:

"Moscow quickly reacted (to van Rompei's request to visit Russia) and offered to recieve him om the 19th of March. It is truly worth praise that van Rompei wished to learn the truth about what is happening in the Ukraine". Yet, Brussels obviously does not want to learn the truth.

"It has its own heroes of the Ukrainian crisis - the militants of the "Right sector" and the illegitimate government, which includes many obviously fascist individuals. It also has its 'culprits' - Russia and the people of Crimea, who refused to accept the logic of a neo-nazi coup. There are also a number of sanctions that get enforced independent of what Russia did or did not do." says the statement from Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

- Ukrainian Nationalists humiliate and force to leave the head of the state TV, capturing the process on video, worthy of the thugs they are
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-forced-resignation-nationalism-674/

- Hillary is afraid and warns other countries agains what she calls "Russian aggression" - that the same arguments that were used for reunification of Crimea, can me applied to Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia (Yes, she's trying to scare everybody now!)

- Australia and Japan joining sanctions (big surprise there)

- About 100 demonstrators in front of Ukrainian Marine Military headquarters stormed the building and raised Russian and Andreev flags. (What the hell are they doing?) No Ukrainian military forces came to harm. Russian military forces are not participating in this. Currently, a dialogue between the Ukrainian military and the demonstrators is conducted. http://rt.com/news/crimea-navy-base-storm-746/

- BBC and CCN, though they did show Putins address live, edited his speech down for later news, with BBC omitting his statement of Crimea's historical bonds with Russia and that Moscow does not want dissolvement of Ukraine, and CNN leaving only Putin's denial of Russia's intervention in Crimea. Putin's reference to Kosovo was edited down to bare minimum, leaving out all arguments and citations.

Crimea depends on water, gas and electricity supplies from the Ukrainian territory. Ukrainian fascist government wouldn't allow their infrastructure and economy to survive. They don't have enough time to create new infrastructure, that's why the Crimea won't be sustainable as fully independent republic. Crimea should be included, at least formally, into Russia or Turkey in order to survive. This would be able to protect them against the malicious infrastructure services manipulation.

It seems politicians will take any risk to distract from domestic (financial) problems these days.

And there would have been a so much more elegant solution for Putin: Enforce an independent Crimea today. In two years let them vote on joining the UDSSR.

The term "Ukraine" or "Ukrainian" didn't existed in AD 600. The Ukrainian language evolved out of old Russian somewhere between AD 1300 and AD 1700.

This map doesn't make much sense, considering Ukraine was founded starting with Kyiv, as Kyevan Rus, in 600AD, something like 200 years before Russia even existed. It was a pretty powerful country, back when Russia was just a backwater farm and woods thing. If you want to talk history, start from there, not from much later when Ukraine was invaded, constantly harassed, and broken up by mongols, Russia, and Poland.

And now, under this pretext, the Ukrainian forces in Crimea got green light for using weapons (if they so desire).

It's time to ask the Ukrainian forces, (at least those 100 people who want to defend Fascism) to leave Crimea.

The rest should unite with the self-defence forces in search of that damned sniper, who claimed lives on both sides.

NEWSFLASH: Lavrov conducted a telephone conversation with his counterpart Kerry following the initiative from the US:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/365593
- "Sanctions by US/EU are not acceptable and will not remain without a symmetrical response"
- Situation in Ukraine was discussed, and Lavrov suggested reverting to the agreement of the 21st of February, and that Russia is open to conducting dialogues for stabilising the situation in Ukraine
- Lavrov especially pointed out that provocations from Ultra-Right against Russians and Russian-speaking people in Southern and South-Eastern Ukraine should stop
- Lavrov stated further with regard to Crimean voting that it was conducted democratically, and in accordance with international law as prescribed in to the 1st paragraph of UN norms. That the choice was made by the people of Crimea and that Russia is accepting and respecting said choice.


Also, about the provocatory shooting:
http://rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/

Yep, the same as it was on maidan, provocators are shooting the both sides. I wounder to see these fags getting a portion of molotov cocktail.

It doesn't. There'll be a series of provocations now to escalate it and give NATO an excuse to start bombing Crimea.

One member of Crimean self defence is shot dead and another wounded from a sniper rifle fire on Kubanskaja street in Simferopol.
http://news.rambler.ru/24136153/

Crimean Ministry of Internal Affairs: "Self defence forces got a report about people with weapons in a partially abandoned building. During the inspection they were fired upon, killing one and wounding another member of the self defence unit. The same armed people opened fire against a nearby Ukrainian military base, wounding one soldier there. Shooting against both sides was conducted from the same spot."

In the meantime in Moscow (video report):
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1388887&cid=7

Ron Paul, one of the last sane American politicians (sadly, a former one) on the situation in Crimea:
http://rt.com/usa/ron-paul-crimea-secedes-610/

Ukraine officer 'killed in attack on Crimea base'


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26637296

This doesn't look good..I believe this could be seen as an act of war towards Ukraine?

The video has been published:

http://img.rt.com/files/news/23/c9/20/00/1431697_piskunov_1800_480p.mp4?event=download

They aren't, we've just had a series of exceptionally inept and weak leaders. With the way people approach politics here, it's only going to get worse.

Fixed it for him.

Oh, and there is an old Russian folk wisdom:

One does not wave about with fists after a fight.