Mental rehabilitation clinic. - page 12.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 07, 2024, 05:11:47 AM

Quote from: bitbollo on January 07, 2024, 05:04:15 AM

I believe that these arguments and ways to communicate should be discussed by a professional in this sector.
Personally I have no idea if some topics could istigate more or have a detrimental effect on a gambler.

In any case, what I've seen have right for an approach with a gambler is:
make people reflect on the real statistics/probability of events.
ask an inveterate bettor to list his income and expenses and from there understand if this activity is worth it

This decision unfortunately is on the gambler himself. If he is determined to change, he can change for himself.
But of course, as much as possible he needs support from his immediate family as much as possible.
As he can easily divert himself to the old gambling life, he always need assistance from somebody close to him.

It's not easy to quit gambling as an addict. Is just like quitting smoking as a smoker. That is why is better not to become a gambling addict. Quitting gambling as an addict needs an extra job and strong determination by anyone involved.

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I'm sure it exists, it's just that there is nothing famous about that clinic. or let's just say that the majority of workers there are psychiatrists. I think the alternative to gambling addiction is to go to a psychiatrist. Addicts usually always have psychological disorders, they have to fix it to truly become a good person again and recover their normal thinking. At least you can consult there until you are truly cured of addiction. This addiction can only be corrected through psychological treatment or there is no medical drug that can treat it.

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I would just show him that it is impossible to win against the casinos in the long run. I would explain him the house edge, the odds and the math behind it. Casinos give themselves this mathematical advantage over the player and that's how they make money and that's also how the players lose money. I would give him examples too. I would even code him a basic dice game, give him some virtual money (which has no real value), and ask him to beat this game. Sooner or later he will always run out of balance and hopefully he will understand why he can't win. I mean he can win if he plays LESS and quits right away but since we are talking about gambling addicts here, they are not able to play "less". (or quit)

Anybody who understands math and how casinos work can see why he/she can't win in the long run.

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Quote from: bitbollo on January 07, 2024, 05:04:15 AM

I believe that these arguments and ways to communicate should be discussed by a professional in this sector.
Personally I have no idea if some topics could istigate more or have a detrimental effect on a gambler.

In any case, what I've seen have right for an approach with a gambler is:
make people reflect on the real statistics/probability of events.
ask an inveterate bettor to list his income and expenses and from there understand if this activity is worth it

This decision unfortunately is on the gambler himself. If he is determined to change, he can change for himself.
But of course, as much as possible he needs support from his immediate family as much as possible.
As he can easily divert himself to the old gambling life, he always need assistance from somebody close to him.
Also, he needs to find a motivation on why he can keep such lifestyle for long-term goal in life.

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I believe that these arguments and ways to communicate should be discussed by a professional in this sector.
Personally I have no idea if some topics could istigate more or have a detrimental effect on a gambler.

In any case, what I've seen have right for an approach with a gambler is:
make people reflect on the real statistics/probability of events.
ask an inveterate bettor to list his income and expenses and from there understand if this activity is worth it

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on January 07, 2024, 04:49:29 AM

What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?

I am not a doctor and I do not know how gambling addicts are treated. Even if I know some, I can not be better like those that are specialized in the area.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on January 07, 2024, 04:49:29 AM

Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

You will let him know how foolish he is. But not telling him he is foolish and not telling him what can make him angry. You can all see what gambling does to addicts. I will try to use that to convince him with true life stories of some addicts.

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Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology.
The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab.
It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself.
Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

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