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Quote from: maydna on January 15, 2024, 04:00:55 AM

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Someone who is a gambling addict will certainly be more open when he feels confident that he can get rid of his bad habit. When they visit a rehabilitation clinic, of course they will have a strong belief that they can change everything. All problems must be disclosed to experts, in essence there should be no coercion from anyone to change themselves except on the basis of their own beliefs.

If they become aware of their bad habits, they will try to stop them by visiting rehabilitation clinics and undergoing therapy sessions. They will also tell their problem to those closest to them that they are addicted to gambling, so they will ask for their help to support them in healing at a rehabilitation clinic. They know they must do it without coercion because it is for their own good. They only hope for support from the people closest to them so that they can undergo healing therapy well and cure their gambling addiction. If the people closest to them are willing to come and provide support to people who are addicted to gambling while still considering them as members of their family, it will make the person who is addicted to gambling feel happy because they have received support from the people closest to them. They will try their best to complete the healing therapy.

Like gambling addiction, admitting it is the first, critical step to treatment. The secret element is family support, right? Imagine a personal cheer squad supporting you through this endeavour. Like karaoke with friends, they wave glow sticks and make you feel like a rockstar even if you can't sing. Such support might make the uphill climb more bearable.

Gambling is entertaining, too! The excitement of a tiny stake on a casual poker night or the tension of bingo are entertainment. Moderation, like taking a slice of cake without finishing it, is crucial. Having fun while being responsible can make gambling a fun activity. Hope you find balance and enjoy the game responsibly!

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on January 07, 2024, 04:49:29 AM

Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology.

A treatment without a use of pharmacology is more likely uses a hypnotherapy procedure. This kind of of process is somehow found to be effective in treating gambling addicts. According to the article[1] through hypnotheraphy process, it can help the patient to identify what triggers the addiction.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on January 07, 2024, 04:49:29 AM

Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

As long as the patient wanted to get cured, I do not think the patient will resist the therapy. Furthermore in hypnotherapy, the patient conscious state is in relaxation while the subconscious is open more open to suggestion [2].

[1] https://www.hypnotherapy-directory.org.uk/articles/gambling-addiction.html
[2] https://www.hypnotherapy-directory.org.uk/content/industryfaqs.html?_gl

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 15, 2024, 06:22:31 AM

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Quote from: mindrust on January 07, 2024, 05:16:18 AM

I would just show him that it is impossible to win against the casinos in the long run. I would explain him the house edge, the odds and the math behind it. Casinos give themselves this mathematical advantage over the player and that's how they make money and that's also how the players lose money. I would give him examples too. I would even code him a basic dice game, give him some virtual money (which has no real value), and ask him to beat this game. Sooner or later he will always run out of balance and hopefully he will understand why he can't win. I mean he can win if he plays LESS and quits right away but since we are talking about gambling addicts here, they are not able to play "less". (or quit)

Anybody who understands math and how casinos work can see why he/she can't win in the long run.

I think that giving methematical therapy can be effective to help a gambling addict to have a paradigm shift, because even if a doctor gives drugs to an addict to suppress the urge of addiction, it'll still come down to letting the patient to understand the mathematical implications of gambling addiction. You hardly hear of a casino or bet company going bankrupt, infact I don't think that I've heard of any, so an addict should be made to understand that if there are more winnings gambling companies will be going bankrupt and folding up, but the industry is designed that there'll always be far more losers than winners. So the probability of beating the house and winning them is very low compared to when you're losing to them

I also have not heard one online gambling site go bankrupt unless they are an obvious scammy business that shuts down to steal the money that is stuck in the gambling sites. Well, it will be prison time for them.
Maybe that will help, telling them how low the percentage of winning is. Or, just making them remember their experiences on how rare they win whenever they gamble. Because that is one of the reasons why I don't gamble much. It's because of the occasional time that I win even though I am playing every day. The losses are more than the wins if I calculate it but that's only for casino games.
A gambling addict will always try to debate about this but if they could remember all the losses they had, then maybe that will make them realize that it should stop. It will not be easy to push that fact inside their head but maybe if it is done right then something will hit them that will make them realize it is the truth and it is actually based on their own exposure back when they are gambling. I doubt they can easily forget about all their losses.

Yes, there are scammers, but don't generalise about the industry. The majority of sites are actual businesses. Bankruptcy? Big players rarely have issues. But the bottom line is that gambling is pleasure, not a quick fix. The chances are always against you. Winning? No guarantee, just a bonus

Remembering losses? It may benefit some. Addiction is more complicated. Behaviour and mindset matter as well as logic. Support, understanding, and possibly intervention are needed, not simply facts. Responsible gambling (setting boundaries and stopping) must be promoted. Balance, control, and enjoying the game are key. The house always wins long-term

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This is for psychologists to answer for counselling but since you asked us about our personal opinion I think the first thing to do here is to remind the said gambler about the risk gambling may influence in our everyday life before telling him about how to become a responsible gambler to avoid possible problems that might come.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on January 07, 2024, 04:49:29 AM

Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give?

The arguments here is very obvious. Any individual who seeks the help of a therapist for their gambling problems certain is struggling deeply with it and it has messed up a huge part of their lives. What I will do in this case is to point show him all the things in his life that has gone wrong which is his fault and then on the flip side show him real life examples of former gambling addicts whose life were messed up but came for therapy and then straightened up their lives and are doing well. It is a very strong example that can foster and motivate change.

This is an idea from my head but there should be a program that would show gambling addicts their lives in 10 years if they keep gambling irresponsibly. It is futuristic enough for them to change.

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Quote from: Kelward on January 15, 2024, 06:15:19 AM

Quote from: mindrust on January 07, 2024, 05:16:18 AM

I would just show him that it is impossible to win against the casinos in the long run. I would explain him the house edge, the odds and the math behind it. Casinos give themselves this mathematical advantage over the player and that's how they make money and that's also how the players lose money. I would give him examples too. I would even code him a basic dice game, give him some virtual money (which has no real value), and ask him to beat this game. Sooner or later he will always run out of balance and hopefully he will understand why he can't win. I mean he can win if he plays LESS and quits right away but since we are talking about gambling addicts here, they are not able to play "less". (or quit)

Anybody who understands math and how casinos work can see why he/she can't win in the long run.

I think that giving methematical therapy can be effective to help a gambling addict to have a paradigm shift, because even if a doctor gives drugs to an addict to suppress the urge of addiction, it'll still come down to letting the patient to understand the mathematical implications of gambling addiction. You hardly hear of a casino or bet company going bankrupt, infact I don't think that I've heard of any, so an addict should be made to understand that if there are more winnings gambling companies will be going bankrupt and folding up, but the industry is designed that there'll always be far more losers than winners. So the probability of beating the house and winning them is very low compared to when you're losing to them

I also have not heard one online gambling site go bankrupt unless they are an obvious scammy business that shuts down to steal the money that is stuck in the gambling sites. Well, it will be prison time for them.
Maybe that will help, telling them how low the percentage of winning is. Or, just making them remember their experiences on how rare they win whenever they gamble. Because that is one of the reasons why I don't gamble much. It's because of the occasional time that I win even though I am playing every day. The losses are more than the wins if I calculate it but that's only for casino games.
A gambling addict will always try to debate about this but if they could remember all the losses they had, then maybe that will make them realize that it should stop. It will not be easy to push that fact inside their head but maybe if it is done right then something will hit them that will make them realize it is the truth and it is actually based on their own exposure back when they are gambling. I doubt they can easily forget about all their losses.

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Quote from: mindrust on January 07, 2024, 05:16:18 AM

I would just show him that it is impossible to win against the casinos in the long run. I would explain him the house edge, the odds and the math behind it. Casinos give themselves this mathematical advantage over the player and that's how they make money and that's also how the players lose money. I would give him examples too. I would even code him a basic dice game, give him some virtual money (which has no real value), and ask him to beat this game. Sooner or later he will always run out of balance and hopefully he will understand why he can't win. I mean he can win if he plays LESS and quits right away but since we are talking about gambling addicts here, they are not able to play "less". (or quit)

Anybody who understands math and how casinos work can see why he/she can't win in the long run.

I think that giving methematical therapy can be effective to help a gambling addict to have a paradigm shift, because even if a doctor gives drugs to an addict to suppress the urge of addiction, it'll still come down to letting the patient to understand the mathematical implications of gambling addiction. You hardly hear of a casino or bet company going bankrupt, infact I don't think that I've heard of any, so an addict should be made to understand that if there are more winnings gambling companies will be going bankrupt and folding up, but the industry is designed that there'll always be far more losers than winners. So the probability of beating the house and winning them is very low compared to when you're losing to them

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on January 15, 2024, 03:48:45 AM

We, of course, do not know and most likely will never know the statistics of successful treatment of patients addicted to gambling. But I not only admit that many are cured, but I have also observed it many times. But this is a question of whether there are former drug addicts or not. After all, it is enough for some kind of stress to occur in a person’s life and the person will fall ill with his disease again. I would call successful cases of healing “controlled addiction.” I first saw this term in an interview with Ingvar Kamprad, the founder of IKEA. He said he had “controlled alcoholism.”

Actually, because of how prevalent and harmful those kinds of addictions can be in any society, I am sure you could get some stadistics or information on how much of a percentage of rehabilitated people get out clinics, you could get a glance of it searching on Google Scholar, for example, for both substances and behavioral dependences.
Out of curiosity, I have read people on the internet who are alledgely former users of hard drugs like crack and they say to have been clean for years, though, I do not doubt there are occasions when the craving could be felt.
I personally know someone who used to smoke much, however, managed to stay off tobacco for many years, he has confessed to me that there have been afternoon when he feels like smoking again, even after more than a decade.

It truly says something about of a former addicted person to opioids or crack could be feeling after some years...

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Quote from: radjie on January 15, 2024, 12:02:31 AM

Someone who is a gambling addict will certainly be more open when he feels confident that he can get rid of his bad habit. When they visit a rehabilitation clinic, of course they will have a strong belief that they can change everything. All problems must be disclosed to experts, in essence there should be no coercion from anyone to change themselves except on the basis of their own beliefs.

If they become aware of their bad habits, they will try to stop them by visiting rehabilitation clinics and undergoing therapy sessions. They will also tell their problem to those closest to them that they are addicted to gambling, so they will ask for their help to support them in healing at a rehabilitation clinic. They know they must do it without coercion because it is for their own good. They only hope for support from the people closest to them so that they can undergo healing therapy well and cure their gambling addiction. If the people closest to them are willing to come and provide support to people who are addicted to gambling while still considering them as members of their family, it will make the person who is addicted to gambling feel happy because they have received support from the people closest to them. They will try their best to complete the healing therapy.

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We, of course, do not know and most likely will never know the statistics of successful treatment of patients addicted to gambling. But I not only admit that many are cured, but I have also observed it many times. But this is a question of whether there are former drug addicts or not. After all, it is enough for some kind of stress to occur in a person’s life and the person will fall ill with his disease again. I would call successful cases of healing “controlled addiction.” I first saw this term in an interview with Ingvar Kamprad, the founder of IKEA. He said he had “controlled alcoholism.”

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Quote from: Volimack on January 10, 2024, 08:35:27 AM

It can be difficult to root it out with real statistics. It is not guaranteed that all professional gamblers will provide their expertise like a doctor. Risk management should evaluate the patient's activities in a holistic manner. Gambling is a platform where aggrieved gamblers do not want to listen to experts and indulge in their own addiction. A clinic doctor if treating a gambler will try to convince him psychologically first. If you are mentally healthy less chaos will be created.

Aggrieved gamblers are mostly found of doing that which you did mentioned which is not wanting to listen to any one except they have been able to satisfy their desire or probably they have gotten to the point of unbearable loss then they would want to listen to only solution to their problem and anything outside a direct solution to what they are been aggrieved about they may not listen.

The engaged in selective listening ,they choose what they want to hear and if it's not that which they want to hear they will just not bother regardless of what is been told them. This makes helping some of these gamblers becomes more difficult than it should have because they just wan to get back at their loses by winning back from the casino more like a revenge gambling and that's the point where they even loose more because they no longer make rational decisions rather they just want to gamble to win.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 09, 2024, 06:47:49 AM

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It's a good topic but it's also a difficult topic to talk about because the advice of doctors is more important in these things. I think group therapy can have a calming effect on these people. Being in a group that has the same impulses as us makes us feel that we are not alone. Also, the motivating words of the people there have a bigger impact on us. Medication would be the last thing I would recommend, because with medication we may get them out of gambling addiction, but we make them drug addicted.

Yes but regarding the ease or difficulty of overcoming addiction it also depends on how severe the condition of addiction they are experiencing and also on the other hand in my opinion there really must be openness from patients to doctors or experts, they must really bring out all the problems and tell everything in detail so that doctors / experts can find formulas or drugs in any form that is in accordance with what is needed, because on the other hand it is not uncommon for me to see failures in overcoming gambling addiction simply because patients are not serious about getting well, meaning that they are not open with all the addiction problems they suffer so that doctors have difficulty finding the right formula which ultimately has no effect and does not produce changes.

So the point is that in terms of the healing process from gambling addiction, it really requires a good combination between the doctor / expert and the patient who wants to be treated, everything can run smoothly if they are open to each other and create good comfort in the healing process.

Someone who is a gambling addict will certainly be more open when he feels confident that he can get rid of his bad habit. When they visit a rehabilitation clinic, of course they will have a strong belief that they can change everything. All problems must be disclosed to experts, in essence there should be no coercion from anyone to change themselves except on the basis of their own beliefs.

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Quote from: SeaCoinCollector. on January 11, 2024, 11:34:46 PM

As the gambling expert in the rehab center, I would stress how important it is to understand the patient's current position and how their gambling is hurting them. It's important to note that the idea of a good game system is hard to come by because the odds are always in favor of the house. To get the patient to change his mind, I would stress how unpredictable gambling results are and how likely it is that he will lose money in the long run. In addition, I would tell them to look into other activities that will make them happy and keep their mind off of their compulsive desire to bet. It's important to help the patient get a realistic picture of the risks of gambling and picture a healthier, more balanced life without depending on the random outcomes of games of chance.

Rehab centers are known as drug addiction treatment centers and provide treatment to drug addicts. However, no one can guarantee how effective rehab centers are for gambling addicts. A lot of mental torture is done in rehab centers so when someone comes out of rehab they are almost half crazy. Because of this, many people do not like rehab. And I don't think rehab is necessary for gambling addicts. Strict family supervision is sufficient for this

A gambling addict is quite in a deeper stage of addiction compared to a drug addict. But they're close to being similar in form of the processes one may get addicted participating in these activities. Attaching a gambling addict to a rehab center meant for healing drug addicts, he could get better due to the absence of his gadgets. Within the period he's on rehab, he wouldn't gamble, it will easily allow the person to get used to some other activities like sports, research, reading and writing. Both addictions are mentally connected, hence the rehab can be useful in reviving a gambling addict, before he gets to therapy. Don't know about the torture, rehab should be a peaceful and quiet environment for addicted people.

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Quote from: |MINER| on January 10, 2024, 09:51:39 PM

Quote from: Volimack on January 10, 2024, 08:35:27 AM

It can be difficult to root it out with real statistics. It is not guaranteed that all professional gamblers will provide their expertise like a doctor. Risk management should evaluate the patient's activities in a holistic manner. Gambling is a platform where aggrieved gamblers do not want to listen to experts and indulge in their own addiction. A clinic doctor if treating a gambler will try to convince him psychologically first. If you are mentally healthy less chaos will be created.

That's true I have been seen a lots of addicted gambler who can't change their gambling addiction after backing from rehabilitation clinics. I just think that if the things is not comes from online it can't be remove from anyone's help like those we have rehabilitation also can't make a gambler to a healthy life.

Well, I also have the same thoughts and answers as you.
I said before that rehabilitation services will never be able to help gambling addict get out and recover completely from his addiction.
Of the many cases of gambling addiction that can really be cured and stopped completely, from what I know, no one can really stop gambling.
I believe that guide can reduce the intensity of gambling that is often done, but I still consider bullshit to the statement that an addict can recover and completely leave gambling.
They have lot of convenience and also the influence of every gambling activity, they can have very easy access to enter gambling so that getting someone to stop gambling is something that is very difficult, it can almost be said to be impossible.

The only way in my opinion is to reduce the intensity of gambling and by doing so, the negative impacts that can arise will be reduced.
They gamble with ambition, but when they can reduce the intensity of gambling, their goals and ambitions can change to just having fun.

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Quote from: SeaCoinCollector. on January 11, 2024, 11:34:46 PM

As the gambling expert in the rehab center, I would stress how important it is to understand the patient's current position and how their gambling is hurting them. It's important to note that the idea of a good game system is hard to come by because the odds are always in favor of the house. To get the patient to change his mind, I would stress how unpredictable gambling results are and how likely it is that he will lose money in the long run. In addition, I would tell them to look into other activities that will make them happy and keep their mind off of their compulsive desire to bet. It's important to help the patient get a realistic picture of the risks of gambling and picture a healthier, more balanced life without depending on the random outcomes of games of chance.

Rehab centers are known as drug addiction treatment centers and provide treatment to drug addicts. However, no one can guarantee how effective rehab centers are for gambling addicts. A lot of mental torture is done in rehab centers so when someone comes out of rehab they are almost half crazy. Because of this, many people do not like rehab. And I don't think rehab is necessary for gambling addicts. Strict family supervision is sufficient for this

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Quote from: Volimack on January 10, 2024, 08:35:27 AM

It can be difficult to root it out with real statistics. It is not guaranteed that all professional gamblers will provide their expertise like a doctor. Risk management should evaluate the patient's activities in a holistic manner. Gambling is a platform where aggrieved gamblers do not want to listen to experts and indulge in their own addiction. A clinic doctor if treating a gambler will try to convince him psychologically first. If you are mentally healthy less chaos will be created.

Not really, statistics have a margin of error to account for that kind of variables, because they know that they can't get all of the people to sign up in the data gathering and even if they do, it takes time. You haven't done a survey in your life so you think that it's impossible to do a statistics. There's no guarantee in the professional gamblers because they're not qualified to do that, they're not licensed therapist unless they really are, they're gamblers and it's actually wrong for them to even do some kind of therapeutics without the approval of the real doctors so there's no way that it's legitimate to do just that, also it's not a physician that deals with this kind of things, it's psychologists, psychiatrists and social workers.

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As the gambling expert in the rehab center, I would stress how important it is to understand the patient's current position and how their gambling is hurting them. It's important to note that the idea of a good game system is hard to come by because the odds are always in favor of the house. To get the patient to change his mind, I would stress how unpredictable gambling results are and how likely it is that he will lose money in the long run. In addition, I would tell them to look into other activities that will make them happy and keep their mind off of their compulsive desire to bet. It's important to help the patient get a realistic picture of the risks of gambling and picture a healthier, more balanced life without depending on the random outcomes of games of chance.

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Quote from: Iroh on January 10, 2024, 09:26:14 PM

Quote from: rdbase on January 09, 2024, 06:25:44 AM

And they directly pointed it out as a sickness one endures and nothing more than that.
So yes, I would have to agree with all who do see it as a mental illness inwhich one would need to seek treatment inorder to cure themselves of this disease.

I did try but failed to see how gambling addiction can be said to be a disease but If we’re speaking figuratively, It’s all good and I can understand that.

I’m also not entirely convinced on a gambling addiction being a mental illness. Reading up on if a gambling addiction could really be said to be a mental disorder and one form of disorder stuck out. Obsessive compulsive disorder. Perhaps, with a mental disorder like that, an individual could gradually become an addict and would have to seek treatment for his disorder.

I do think a solid majority of gamblers all over that slid down the dark hole of addiction are the cause of their own misfortune.

Here a lot depends on what is meant by the word disease. I believe that at the moment there is no generally accepted definition of the disease. How does he understand something of his own by this? As for mental illness, things are even more complicated. Often, when defining a disease, many people refer to the “norm,” although this can also mean different things.
I think that in the end it is not so important what to call the problem that a particular person has. What is much more important is how to get rid of it. Difficulties with “treatment” arise precisely because the patient still has hope of winning in his head. And only catastrophic losses, perhaps, convince him of the impossibility of making money on it.

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Quote from: Volimack on January 10, 2024, 08:35:27 AM

It can be difficult to root it out with real statistics. It is not guaranteed that all professional gamblers will provide their expertise like a doctor. Risk management should evaluate the patient's activities in a holistic manner. Gambling is a platform where aggrieved gamblers do not want to listen to experts and indulge in their own addiction. A clinic doctor if treating a gambler will try to convince him psychologically first. If you are mentally healthy less chaos will be created.

That's true I have been seen a lots of addicted gambler who can't change their gambling addiction after backing from rehabilitation clinics. I just think that if the things is not comes from online it can't be remove from anyone's help like those we have rehabilitation also can't make a gambler to a healthy life.

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Quote from: rdbase on January 09, 2024, 06:25:44 AM

And they directly pointed it out as a sickness one endures and nothing more than that.
So yes, I would have to agree with all who do see it as a mental illness inwhich one would need to seek treatment inorder to cure themselves of this disease.

I did try but failed to see how gambling addiction can be said to be a disease but If we’re speaking figuratively, It’s all good and I can understand that.

I’m also not entirely convinced on a gambling addiction being a mental illness. Reading up on if a gambling addiction could really be said to be a mental disorder and one form of disorder stuck out. Obsessive compulsive disorder. Perhaps, with a mental disorder like that, an individual could gradually become an addict and would have to seek treatment for his disorder.

I do think a solid majority of gamblers all over that slid down the dark hole of addiction are the cause of their own misfortune.

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