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Great topic for discussion!
Out of curiosity, I read on the Internet how gambling addiction is treated, and basically we are talking about working with psychologists and maximizing distraction from games by finding a new hobby.
I would take a different path and do a detailed analysis of the history of games with numbers of wins and losses and the general financial condition before and after. I think that the patient who ended up in the clinic will only have negative results both in terms of games and finances and this will be the main argument why he needs to stop playing, and then the work of psychologists to consolidate the result.

The doctor's job is not to convince the patient, the doctor has no goal of sitting with the patient in a debate about whether gambling is profitable or not. The doctor's role is to assess whether the person is able to stay without playing or not. The doctor doesn't need to keep talking about things like if the client has suffered a lot of injuries and that's why he should stop gambling. It is necessary for people to understand that even a person who makes profits from gambling is addicted to gambling. Therefore, what the doctor should ask the client should be the following:

Can Mr. X not play?

If you answer that he can do without playing, then the doctor should ask:

How long can Mr. X play?

Then the doctor confiscates all electronic devices that allow Mr. During this time, the doctor is observing Mr. X, he sees how Mr. gambling. For this reason, treatment will begin, which consists of confiscating everything that could make it easier for Mr. game addiction. In my country there are clinics for addicted people. That's why I know how they operate. It is a very long and very expensive treatment, the clinics charge money and also require that the relatives responsible for the addict always be present during the treatment, so that the addict feels less guilty and starts to look at the world in a normal way, start valuing more things in the real world and forget about games

Maybe this kind of addiction is still normal, he continues to gamble and stops when his money runs out. However, there are also those who have extreme addictions, gambling until they run out of money, but when the money runs out they continue to try to get the money by any means to gamble, such as selling valuables, robbing and even killing. So addiction should not be taken lightly, just have fun and when the money runs out then stop. The reality on the ground is that many people who are addicted to gambling act carelessly or even uncontrollably, as in the example above.

So addiction needs treatment, of course there are various types of treatment. However, many have managed to escape addiction thanks to the support of family and those closest to them. where I live there is no special doctor for addicts, so doctors are not the solution.

My God, this is a difficult question. I am not a gambling expert so I might choose the wrong words. The encouragement to stop gambling might make it worse. I've seen gambling addicts but I don't think they are too deep to be put in rehabilitation, I mean they can still somehow stop playing for hours while doing their responsibilities.
What I actually suggested to one of them, a close friend was to stop playing slots but instead try sports gambling. So I guess that was not a cure, I was just trying to change his way of gambling. Because for me, sports gambling is not an addictive game. You bet once on your preferred game, and once it's done you rest for the day.
Anyway, for a gambling addict that might not be a good recommendation. As a specialist, the argument must be spot on that they will believe it's time to forget whatever bad habit they had. Giving them something else to do was a good choice. I mean, that's how I stopped my smoking addiction. I focused on work and keeping my kids healthy so I forgot about it for 5 years by now. Those who have experienced other addictions might be the ones who can help these guys. They just need something that would keep them busy so they will forget about gambling. I will also not recommend anything that has to do with the internet, that is where the spark could happen again.

I am not a doctor or an expert in therapy to cure gambling addiction. But maybe I can only show that he is addicted to gambling and try to convince him that he is addicted to gambling and must try to cure his gambling addiction. But it looks like it won't be easy to convince him that he is addicted to gambling because he will definitely provide counter-arguments. Maybe the doctors treating him will give him a test to show that he has a gambling addiction.

Or maybe the doctors could show the consequences that he and the people closest to him experienced because he had gambled with so much money that he had spent it all. Doctors must be able to make the person admit that he is addicted to gambling even though he continues to deny it because, behind his denial, there is actually a dark side that he wants to hide from other people. If the doctors were able to touch the dark side, everything might open up, and the person would see that he was indeed addicted to gambling, and this person might admit it and regret it while crying full of regret.

To overcome gambling addiction, from my point of view only the addict himself can overcome it. If he really wants to get rid of his addiction, then he has to start with himself. It's very difficult to refute any arguments if he doesn't want to change and still wants to be an addict. No matter how good our sentences are, they will still be answered with their own arguments.

Then the patient is delusional. He is out his rationality to make such statements when in fact he has already lost tons of money on his pursuit for richness, consequently being on that clinic for that reason. For someone in delusional state, I'm not sure if arguments would help somehow, because arguments demand the person to be rational in order to absorb and reflect about them. When people behave like this, the tendency is pharmacology to take in action as last resource.

Personally, I don't like the idea, because I don't think pharmaceuticals cure mental diseases, it just works as a palliative, which also brings lots of negative side effects on long run.

But besides this measure, I think I could only give attention to the addicted individual, hearing what he has to say and trying to change his focus to another activities, in a slight hope he can get out of the delusional state of mind he finds himself.

First of all, there's no such thing as gambling expert. Also, gambling addicts which are clinically diagnosed, are going to the same rehabilitation establishments as with people who have other addictions. We just cannot pretend to be an expert and assume we would be able to give 'advices' rather than standardized treatments. A particular behavior should be targeted here which is addiction in gambling therefore it should be eliminated and that won't be easily removed by having an alternative activity alone; it is a step by step procedure in order to make it efficient.
Changing one's viewpoint of gambling will be really helpful; practical goal, bankroll management, and exposure to gambling activity. But with continuing to gamble, I quite disagree; addiction is the bottomline here which means the individual is not only suffering from losses but also struggling to function on a daily basis due to his obsession for a particular habit. Improving his 'gaming set up' won't be a help since there would still be exposure to gambling still, not to mention that no matter how good your strategy is, winning won't always take place with certainty.

I'm not a gambling expert, all I know is these professionals are checking the background and the root of addiction it's not about telling anything what to do but its more on rooting out the symptoms how it started, where it started, and when it started and addressing and giving out an alternative to root out the causes of addiction.
It's hard to argue with a compulsive gambler it's like you're arguing with the wind, if a gambler is not ready to change there's no better argument to make him stop gambling, you can only show compassion and ask him to try an alternative to gambling, some gamblers just need someone to listen to their problems when he can talk to you heart to heart he can open about up about gambling addiction, arguments will never work, it will make the gambler to defend why he gamble.

It's difficult if what they are looking for is not the truth but a justification for the bad activities they are doing. Likewise with gambling addicts, why is it difficult for them to be aware of their bad behavior...? Yes... because what he is looking for is a justification, and when someone tells the truth about gambling, a gambler will continue to try to avoid the truth and look for various reasons as a defense for his bad behavior in gambling. A gambling addict is one of the many people who is difficult to advise.

And I have a friend who is quite addicted to gambling. And because I saw that it was a loss for him and his family... I tried to advise him not to gamble too often, because you also have a family that you have to pay attention to and they really need your attention. And do you know what the answer was? then he answered "you're noisy, later if I win big, then the winnings will be given to the family and I will tell them to buy what they want." It's quite surprising, isn't it... And I fell silent at those words, and chose not to continue to advise him any further, because that would only trigger an argument.

To help someone steer clear of gambling, I'd highlight the need for a smart gaming plan rather than just relying on optimism. I'd talk about setting practical goals, consider the odds, and suggest trying out other stuff like hobbies. Showing empathy and understanding is crucial to help them make positive changes. I get the appeal of hitting it big in gambling, but let's be real that relying on luck alone isn't a solid plan for long-term success. Successful gamblers have strategies, like a gaming system and risk management.  It's not about shutting down your dreams, but finding a better, more balanced way to reach them.

Not sure if I understand the approach correctly, we should try to focus the time and energy of the patient on something new completely with the goal to make money? I don't think it's a good approach to argue with addicts, because they will only use logic of it helps them. In case the logic is against them, they will just disregard it. My first argument is going to be that gambling is not here to make us rich. The majority of gamblers are not going to succeed in getting rich through gambling. Basic mathematics are going to speak against any possible counter argument. It takes a large number of small losses to be able to payout one large win for the casino. Also if the patient committed himself to therapy already he must realise that he has a problem and wants to turn his life around.

The first thing I will say is that the idea of mental rehabilitation clinic for gambling addiction is something that is very useful and of course this is service that can help anyone who wants to recover from gambling addiction.
But the question is whether the government will provide it because this will be much more difficult to cure, unlike other addictions such as drug addiction, where obviously there are various therapies and also medication to stop it.
Overall gambling addiction will be related to person mentality and thoughts, it may be cured but it does not guarantee that it will not return, on average gambling addicts cannot really stop and all they can do is reduce.

I don't know what will be given to addicts to be able to heal their mentality so that they can be free from expectations of gambling, and of course their mindset cannot be predicted unless they themselves begin to have the awareness that the gambling they do must really be reduced significantly.
Seeing how gambling addicts have their mindset and psychology will of course make even doctors or experts experience various difficulties in changing the gambling addict mindset and provide suggestions that gambling is not always good to do excessively.

Can you even call that a mental rehab with that kind of methodology? It sounds more like a gambling masterclass. I bet the "patient" would not even make an argument against not having a gaming system. He'll go back to the drawing board and figure out a better strategy after all those "rehab sessions" then continue to gamble.

Some might bring up the fact that gambling is the only means they can come out of depression. They will claim that due to boredom and other problems they need gambling to be entertained and have fun. My response will be that gambling might not be able to cure depression. Depression can be handled by dealing with the root cause and not focusing on ways to reduce the effect.

Some will also argue that their gambling habits are hereditary, so it will be difficult for them to control. They will tell you that their father and even close relatives like uncles are gamblers. My argument might be that the belief that gambling addiction can be transferred through genes has not been scientifically proven. I know there have been such studies on this argument, but there has been a general conclusion that it is true.      

Here's what I would do, think of this as a simulation that you should be able to imagine:

First, I will choose one of them with the criteria of an acute out-of-control gambling addict (A). Second, I have a representative of someone who is a controlled gambler, has a level of risk management, is professional and even has a strategy in determining betting probabilities (B).

These two people will be used as experimental examples by being given their own gambling games, the same capital and the same time to gamble in front of many people who are undergoing rehabilitation. With the scheme that I have prepared from the start, gambler (A) ultimately fails miserably while gambler (B) ultimately emerges as the winner.

That way, it will be easy for me to take the lead whenever they argue through stimulation. And that will be capital to be able to filter and ultimately give them the freedom to choose which gambling they will choose. Become an aggressive gambler who has lost everything or wants to change his gambling patterns like gambler (B) with strategy, self-control and risk management.

Ok, I think their arguments wouldn't be able to spread if we had techniques for delivering presentations.

You know that in an experimental method there is something called a pretest and posttest. If there are 1 or 2 people who choose to follow in the gambler's footsteps (B), it means that our technique can be said to be successful.

Is nothing groundbreaking here? I reckon this is how most people or professionals go about treating people with addiction in general. Except for the medicine part, now that I'm not exactly sure of. And as for asking answers to dumb questions by addicts, I don't think your average internet dude should be the guy you're asking from. And in the first place, a dude wanting to go into rehab would certainly not argue that he still wants to gamble more and instead would strive to change, and that mindset is usually more than enough with some added support from other people. And as for "forcing" people to go into rehab, I don't think gambling addiction is that far into the level of severity? Unlike drugs or something similar afaik.

I think what you are referring here is hypnosis and hypnotherapy as way to rehabilitate those who have gambling addiction problem. This is not knew and this kind of treatment is popular too on some country since gambling addiction is just a mental problem like substance addiction. This kind of solution is the best to mind condition the gambling addict mind.

There’s a lot of this(https://www.cityhypnosis.com/hypnosis-for-gambling-problems/) service available online.

You're right, That's why there's a lot of clinics and professional that offers professional medical assistance because this kind of habit is most likely difficult to quit and it requires a lot of time, patience and perseverance. It allows both patient and doctors a strong determination in order to finally cure patient's addiction. Proven and tested that mental rehabilitation clinic is very helpful as long as the patient cooperates on the things that they need to do.

Is this really necessary  

You can't save a soul that don't want to be saved.

Many gamblers are not successful in gambling and they know how to just give up or lower their gambling section and focus on something else, those who gets too attached are not thinking at all, they only believe in gambling like its a calling from God.

You are already lost if you believe that gambling is the way, you have condemned your will to take control and your will to resist, I believe that creator knew that some human are weak minded, that's why you can never see the holy books supporting gambling.

There is no need for any rehabilitation for people who are addicted to gambling, time will be their teacher, if they are lucky, they will open the eye that was closed for a long time very quickly, I know old men who regret wasting their lives away in gambling, thinking it's the way out of poverty.

It's a matter of unrealistic and realistic, if something is too good to be true, just accept that it's not safe. Be a realistic.