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i am not an expert in this field so i do not have the ability to answer this question.

however, dealing with gambling addicts requires not only the efforts of the doctor who treats the patient, but also the patient. the doctor will only give words of suggestion and therapy, and the rest is up to the patient whether they want to recover or not. because no matter how professional the doctor is, if the patient insists that they will continue gambling it will only be in vain.

To get this straight, you are saying that because someone is losing more than winning in gambling means that person most likely doesn't have a system in place. You also say that someone who is a pathological gambler also has no system in place because the bad results allow for the conclusion that again no system was in place. But you say that if a person has a system in place, plays 18 hours slots with a slightly positive result is not a pathological gambler and you say that gamblers with a system in place can win as long-term gamblers or in other words, they can beat the house?

Most likely I start with his religion because if a person has some beliefs, he would be more likely to be attached to them and his faith is strong which could help him stay away from whatever things he is addicted whether it is gambling, drugs, alcohol, and sex. All of these have some bad results in the future if a person can't stop this while he is young and capable of doing so. After that, I will give him rational reasons to make him stop but if his ignorance is compounded, then it would be tough to convince him because he won't listen. Unless he came to you sincerely seeking some advice.

Have you seen one yourself? Some countries have high numbers of gamblers that ended up in the street, homeless and even some took their lives, some ended up in generational debt too, which makes their government to ban gambling, if mental rehab exists, I believe this countries will be the first to make use of it, but I can't find one.

Maybe that's because it's almost impossible to treat such patients? The mind is a powerful thing, you only stop doing something if you don't want to keep doing it, but if your mind is so fixed on the thing, you will always go back.

The only time I have helped an addict beat it's addiction was a year ago, but I still believe that he wanted to stop gambling addiction by himself, I just make him are reasons why gambling can't help everyone, in fact, most people will lose and very small numbers of people will win.

Gamblers who visit a therapist need to accept their faults or they'll have a hard time with therapy. He'll be ready to share those lifestyles with the therapist to help the healing process. Healing an addict sometimes goes wrong due to the therapist's inability to effectively contribute responses that'll help the addict understand that the therapist has an idea of what he's going through. Hence a therapist who has no accurate idea of how addiction works may not handle the case of a gambler. Hence in such a clinic, If I'm to be the therapist, engaging with the addict and sending out meaning responses to help elongate the discussion duration between us would be my best tool in curing an addict. Giving him advises will only erupt an argument, which wouldn't be of great help to the addict. Becoming his friend is the most effective means of solving a problem gambler's troubles.

The advice I will give to any patient in such a situation is to first get a job or a reliable source of income before considering gambling. Most people that end up in bad shape through gambling are those hoping to make a living solely from gambling. The moment gambling is seen as the only source of income, desperation will come in, fear and anxiety will follow it until the gambler is finally damaged psychologically when things does not work as planned.

As soon as the means of getting more money is fixed, losing gambling a few times will not be damaging to the health of a gambler, it will just be seen as the sacrifice to be paid for greater good.

Firstly, when trying to help an addict free from gambling the stories of other people's gambling lifestyle can be used as a case study. It is not new that addiction in gambling has really destroyed the life of so many gamblers.  You will make the gambler to understand that he needs help to free from addiction , that winning is not about playing much games. Gambling is just just luck that winning doesn't determine how much games that are played.

You make the gambler understand that gambling result will always be unpredicted and their is no guarantee that in the future their will be a time when one will become rich from gambling,  so their is no need investing much in gambling.

You are not talking about a Mental rehabilitation clinic... As far as I can see from your opening post and this post you are talking about some "gambling school". A place where gamblers can learn more about gambling and about the ways of improving their winning odds.

The thing is that nobody can prove anything when it comes to gambling. It's on us to try it, as most of us are trying, but we don't know the result and we can't predict the outcome. In the end, just a few percent of people will make some profit and others will be on the losing side. There are no guarantees in gambling, so running this "gambling clinic or school" can give some people false hope that they can make money in gambling in the long run.

I hope one day, this kind of rehabilitation centre will be available for gambling addicts, and I must say that it will help so many of them. First, it is not a matter of drugs, so there can't be much related to it, but to make the investigation thorough about the underlying issues or causative, I believe that they might want to conduct some tests and drug tests will be part of them to know the cleanness of the person they are dealing with so that they will not be wasting their time on other things when it is partly caused by drugs. These people are professional and I believe they should know how to engage their patients more than a common person who is not in the field. They should know that there will be ugly behaviours and resistance.

We are talking about psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists and the related fields here, they will enter into your mind and get it fixed. It is not about them entertaining arguments alone and questions, they know the kind of mental treatment you need if you are such that will be adamant, this is the nature of their job and they would have seen worse than the tough persons, for this, I believe how to have their ways around it will never be an issue. Besides, it is a general thing that gamblers need money which is why most of us are doing it and the addicts will always want to use that as an excuse from going back to it. But with their right convictions with proofs, and with practical examples of the former people before the person in question and how they ended their lives without gambling success, such gamblers might have a rethink. I am not an expert in this field so do not let me go further, but emphatically, for a clinic like this to be established you should know that they are not there to play. They would have every answer to every issue and a higher record of success would be achieved.

Friends! Thank you, I read all your answers. Let's continue the discussion. I would like to discuss such arguments.
1. Regarding pharmacology. I really think that pharmacology in the rehabilitation of gambling addicts is of secondary importance. For example, to correct depression. The main reason for gambling addiction, in my opinion, is a pathological worldview. They have over-valued ideas that are not true or do not fully correspond to them. And the cure will come when people themselves abandon these ideas. Not earlier.
2. The argument “Most people lose in the long run” and “it is impossible to make money in poker and sports betting.” Still, we know, perhaps, several dozen people who have made or are making money from gambling. But there are very, very few of them. The main mistake a person makes is that he hopes to get into this very small number.
     But how can a person prove that he will not be included in this number?

It's questionable if the form of treatment is through argument and counterargument, if you're treating a gambling addict they do it through behavioral therapy, medications, and group help but I doubt if an argument can help gambling addicts, they will defend their addiction through reasoning and argument and because of their pride, they will beat you through their argument.
Gamblers are good when it comes to defending their passion so I doubt if gambling experts can even help cure or improve the condition of gambling addicts.
Instead of arguments, the professionals employ diagnosis and there are many parts of diagnosis when it comes to treating gamblers.

Check this article how professionals treat addiction to gambling.

Compulsive gambling

The problem of gambling addict is money, so you need to give a solution how to make a good amount of money in easy way, if you can't find it, he will not change.

You get it wrong, a gambling specialist isn't a gambling addict, it's either someone who make money from gambling/know to beat the casino or someone who expert in self control. In this context, it means the doctor is someone who has a good self control, that's why his job is to handle a gambling addict.

This is called a crazy doctor wanting to cure a crazy person. if the doctor is already addicted to gambling, why do you even want to cure people who want to stop playing gambling. yes, I will definitely invite them to chat further about gambling and maybe talk a lot about determining a better strategy to get more profit. haha just kidding. 
The only cure for gambling addiction is mental health and being able to think clearly to be able to think about what he has done from his gambling.
The doctor will definitely direct to meditation and so on as a matter of contemplation only. but still with calm medicine. because every gambler will definitely experience turmoil in their lust until they cannot control their brain to stop playing gambling.

Perhaps a doctor will use different methods of healing so that there is no best way for each gambler because there are types of gamblers who are addicted to gambling. Gambling addiction may be a mental or mental problem because it concerns what a person thinks.

When someone has become addicted to gambling, different treatments will be needed according to the severity of that person's gambling addiction. So an experienced doctor will know what to do if he encounters a gambling addict. He can adapt to conditions and situations and determine his methods.

However, there will be discoveries of more effective ways for each type of gambling addiction. And with the current technological developments in the medical field, it really help doctors in curing people who are addicted to gambling.

This is interesting, if I were in the position of an expert in terms of overcoming gambling addiction, then maybe a very reasonable theory would be the main thing that I would emphasize to one of the patients who are victims of addiction, really emphasizing that gambling is a game of probability that does not have any element of success in it, one of the reasons is because a gambler cannot do any process except just praying "hopefully in this session I am lucky and win", then will success be achieved just by praying? Yes I understand that prayer is one of the keys to success too, but what you have to understand is that don't you never know the reason why you can win  and lose? You also realize that your victory is due to the luck that comes in the session you are doing.

Maybe we have agreed that winning depends on how lucky you are at the time, and let's talk about luck, trying to emphasize that doesn't luck have no consistent element in it? It's not luck if it always happens, and that means there is nothing to learn in the concept of luck which of course until whenever you will never know when you will win and this is a strong reason why you will never become a rich man just by gambling. I think the patient can digest this statement if all the theories explained really make sense, with  this I believe the realization will begin to appear and then I will advise him to fill the time with many activities in his daily life so that his mind can be distracted from gambling.

I think the psychiatrist is the right person to treat gambling addiction problems. as long as the mental disturbance has not reached a chronic stage. in the sense that addicts can still be invited to discuss and tell stories about their gambling experiences.
This requires people who are truly experts in their field. treating people with certain addictions still requires using sedative drugs. because usually there are anxiety or even worse effects for addicts if they don't carry out their gambling activities.

What can be done is to make addicts relax enough to think and talk about the profits they get and what losses they experience when gambling. This cannot only corner the addict into making mistakes, but we still have to balance the response that is considered positive from the addict so that he or she still feels comfortable and indeed they are not being pressured.

Healing will take time, any form of addiction cannot be eliminated instantly. they have to work gradually by building awareness within the addict itself.

Medical science knows how well such treatments work.  I don't study medical science so I don't know how to cure a gambling addict through treatment. Because gambling addiction is a problem with your thinking. Those who are addicted to gambling think that through gambling they will win huge and through that win they will become very rich.  Many times stories are heard of someone winning millions of dollars. And that thought makes a gambler more addicted.  So I really don't know if medical science will be successful in any way to cure this addiction

If somebody is already addicted to gambling that he badly needs intervention from a professional, that's the biggest proof that whatever he believes in is a lie. If the patient says I need to continue to be able to find my luck. I will tell him to shut up and look at his miserable life chasing that elusive luck. It is easy to provide stats in terms of losers and winners in gambling. Out of a million gamblers, how many have actually grown rich because of it? A hard evidence for this argument is easy to find. You only have to look around your neighbors who are themselves gamblers but who remain unlucky.

Yes there are rehabilitation clinics like that, that's basically how a rehab works dude, there's no pharmaceuticals involved there, it's supposed to be a sanctuary towards sobriety. I've been to one of those places before and I don't think they're doing any kind of drug administering there to cure someone of their addiction, most of the staff there are psychologists that helps with curing how the addict's mind works towards an addicting habit and most of the activities there are physical and laborious but at the same time shapes them into something new. You should go out more often OP and try to find these places because they're not that hard to find and there's a lot of them around, you might even be able to volunteer as a helper in some of them, you might change how you view addiction when you're with the people that's rehabilitated there.

As a concerned citizen, perhaps we should recognize the negative impacts of gambling in our lives if we overindulge and go beyond our limits. I am not a medical expert.  Gambling addicts usually don't follow what other people say and advise them. What is our purpose then or our arguments to them if they still don't obey what we will say, for the sake of their mental health and well-being? It will be useless. Since experts are the ones with the most knowledge in this area, I believe that professionals should have this conversation rather than basing it just on our personal opinions.
Honestly, it might take time and effort to overcome a gambling addiction since it is a process, and recovery should be approached with perseverance, patience, and a readiness to ask for assistance when necessary.