It can be difficult to root it out with real statistics. It is not guaranteed that all professional gamblers will provide their expertise like a doctor. Risk management should evaluate the patient's activities in a holistic manner. Gambling is a platform where aggrieved gamblers do not want to listen to experts and indulge in their own addiction. A clinic doctor if treating a gambler will try to convince him psychologically first. If you are mentally healthy less chaos will be created.
Not really, statistics have a margin of error to account for that kind of variables, because they know that they can't get all of the people to sign up in the data gathering and even if they do, it takes time. You haven't done a survey in your life so you think that it's impossible to do a statistics. There's no guarantee in the professional gamblers because they're not qualified to do that, they're not licensed therapist unless they really are, they're gamblers and it's actually wrong for them to even do some kind of therapeutics without the approval of the real doctors so there's no way that it's legitimate to do just that, also it's not a physician that deals with this kind of things, it's psychologists, psychiatrists and social workers. 
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As the gambling expert in the rehab center, I would stress how important it is to understand the patient's current position and how their gambling is hurting them. It's important to note that the idea of a good game system is hard to come by because the odds are always in favor of the house. To get the patient to change his mind, I would stress how unpredictable gambling results are and how likely it is that he will lose money in the long run. In addition, I would tell them to look into other activities that will make them happy and keep their mind off of their compulsive desire to bet. It's important to help the patient get a realistic picture of the risks of gambling and picture a healthier, more balanced life without depending on the random outcomes of games of chance.
And they directly pointed it out as a sickness one endures and nothing more than that.
So yes, I would have to agree with all who do see it as a mental illness inwhich one would need to seek treatment inorder to cure themselves of this disease.
So yes, I would have to agree with all who do see it as a mental illness inwhich one would need to seek treatment inorder to cure themselves of this disease.
I did try but failed to see how gambling addiction can be said to be a disease but If we’re speaking figuratively, It’s all good and I can understand that.
I’m also not entirely convinced on a gambling addiction being a mental illness. Reading up on if a gambling addiction could really be said to be a mental disorder and one form of disorder stuck out. Obsessive compulsive disorder. Perhaps, with a mental disorder like that, an individual could gradually become an addict and would have to seek treatment for his disorder.
I do think a solid majority of gamblers all over that slid down the dark hole of addiction are the cause of their own misfortune.
I think that in the end it is not so important what to call the problem that a particular person has. What is much more important is how to get rid of it. Difficulties with “treatment” arise precisely because the patient still has hope of winning in his head. And only catastrophic losses, perhaps, convince him of the impossibility of making money on it.
It can be difficult to root it out with real statistics. It is not guaranteed that all professional gamblers will provide their expertise like a doctor. Risk management should evaluate the patient's activities in a holistic manner. Gambling is a platform where aggrieved gamblers do not want to listen to experts and indulge in their own addiction. A clinic doctor if treating a gambler will try to convince him psychologically first. If you are mentally healthy less chaos will be created.
That's true I have been seen a lots of addicted gambler who can't change their gambling addiction after backing from rehabilitation clinics. I just think that if the things is not comes from online it can't be remove from anyone's help like those we have rehabilitation also can't make a gambler to a healthy life. And they directly pointed it out as a sickness one endures and nothing more than that.
So yes, I would have to agree with all who do see it as a mental illness inwhich one would need to seek treatment inorder to cure themselves of this disease.
So yes, I would have to agree with all who do see it as a mental illness inwhich one would need to seek treatment inorder to cure themselves of this disease.
I did try but failed to see how gambling addiction can be said to be a disease but If we’re speaking figuratively, It’s all good and I can understand that.
I’m also not entirely convinced on a gambling addiction being a mental illness. Reading up on if a gambling addiction could really be said to be a mental disorder and one form of disorder stuck out. Obsessive compulsive disorder. Perhaps, with a mental disorder like that, an individual could gradually become an addict and would have to seek treatment for his disorder.
I do think a solid majority of gamblers all over that slid down the dark hole of addiction are the cause of their own misfortune.
I agree that gambling success requires a well-designed gaming system with good risk management. The reality is very different for most. The odds are usually against the player in gambling. Probability and arithmetic are involved, not luck or a winning streak. Even the most advanced system cannot outperform a profit-driven one.
How about the "not lucky yet" ? Gambling is chance. Gambling for long-term revenue is like constructing a home on sand - unsustainable. There may be short-term successes, but the house always wins. Statistical reality, not pessimism.
However, gambling may be fun when done for fun rather than profit. Be moderate and treat it as a hobby with boundaries. This gives you the exhilaration without the financial risk. Alternatives include hobbies or pastimes that are equally exciting or engaging. Finding balance and understanding gambling is key.
How about the "not lucky yet" ? Gambling is chance. Gambling for long-term revenue is like constructing a home on sand - unsustainable. There may be short-term successes, but the house always wins. Statistical reality, not pessimism.
However, gambling may be fun when done for fun rather than profit. Be moderate and treat it as a hobby with boundaries. This gives you the exhilaration without the financial risk. Alternatives include hobbies or pastimes that are equally exciting or engaging. Finding balance and understanding gambling is key.
It can be difficult to root it out with real statistics. It is not guaranteed that all professional gamblers will provide their expertise like a doctor. Risk management should evaluate the patient's activities in a holistic manner. Gambling is a platform where aggrieved gamblers do not want to listen to experts and indulge in their own addiction. A clinic doctor if treating a gambler will try to convince him psychologically first. If you are mentally healthy less chaos will be created.
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I think the gambling addiction clinic should use a mix methods and support groups instead of just relying on gambling experts. Gambling experts give good advice but it is good to deal with the emotional and psychological reasons why someone has an addiction of gambling. They should try to set their minds. Because some times people do gambling for relaxation but when they lose money this affect them emotionally.
The gambler may say that they can control their gambling or stop whenever they want. But this is not an easy thing. It's also important to suggest finding other things to do instead of gambling to keep them busy and safe them from to much gambling. In this way they will busy their self to others game and then with the passage of time they will leave gambling.
Yes, that's clear because we know that there are various causes of someone experiencing a gambling addiction, so doctors at gambling addiction clinics must be able to find the right formula for each gambling addict. They may test one formula for one gambler and it may work but that doesn't guarantee it will work for other gambling addicts. That is why doctors have to look for other methods so that they can cure every gambling addict. Doctors must also be able to find the root of the problem that makes someone addicted to gambling so they can use appropriate methods to cure it. Emotional and psychological factors also need to be considered because there may be gambling addicts who think about gambling so deeply that they have difficulty eliminating thoughts about gambling. When they have found the root of the problem, doctors can encourage them to realize their mistakes so that they can rebuild themselves from scratch and start doing things that are not related to gambling. The gambler may say that they can control their gambling or stop whenever they want. But this is not an easy thing. It's also important to suggest finding other things to do instead of gambling to keep them busy and safe them from to much gambling. In this way they will busy their self to others game and then with the passage of time they will leave gambling.
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It looks like he discovered himself, and he had nice starting help. I believe we can agree that the beginnings are the hardest.
Anything is possible, that's why we are gambling in the first place... but we need to know our possibilities & chances. I guess in principle it's possible to help some people discover their inner talents for some gambling games, but to me, it looks like a school of gambling. And my opinion about such schools would be the same as about paid poker courses and sports tipsters, most of them will just try to take money and will not help in anything. I guess the ones who can make a difference are pretty expensive and it's not easy to find them.
I think that if this idea were implemented in practice (and this is just a thought experiment), then such an institution would combine the features of a counseling center and at the same time a mental rehabilitation clinic. School... hardly a school, although it is true that patients have a lot to teach if. Certainly. They themselves will want to learn something.Anything is possible, that's why we are gambling in the first place... but we need to know our possibilities & chances. I guess in principle it's possible to help some people discover their inner talents for some gambling games, but to me, it looks like a school of gambling. And my opinion about such schools would be the same as about paid poker courses and sports tipsters, most of them will just try to take money and will not help in anything. I guess the ones who can make a difference are pretty expensive and it's not easy to find them.
I don't like traditional clinics or traditional schools. Clinics essentially do not know how to treat, because they do not understand that this is not a disease, but a pathological worldview. A person has a number of ideas in his head, the incorrectness of which he does not realize, and these ideas push him to the social bottom.
But before we treat someone, we need to understand who is in front of us. Is this person really not going to be able to make money in the long term, like 99.8% of players, or is this someone who can?
In traditional clinics there is no treatment, they simply provide deprivation from the game. That is, they do it so that a person does not encounter the game in real life. At the same time, his pathological ideas do not go anywhere. And he can break at any moment. Is this treatment or rehabilitation?
It's a good topic but it's also a difficult topic to talk about because the advice of doctors is more important in these things. I think group therapy can have a calming effect on these people. Being in a group that has the same impulses as us makes us feel that we are not alone. Also, the motivating words of the people there have a bigger impact on us. Medication would be the last thing I would recommend, because with medication we may get them out of gambling addiction, but we make them drug addicted.
Yes but regarding the ease or difficulty of overcoming addiction it also depends on how severe the condition of addiction they are experiencing and also on the other hand in my opinion there really must be openness from patients to doctors or experts, they must really bring out all the problems and tell everything in detail so that doctors / experts can find formulas or drugs in any form that is in accordance with what is needed, because on the other hand it is not uncommon for me to see failures in overcoming gambling addiction simply because patients are not serious about getting well, meaning that they are not open with all the addiction problems they suffer so that doctors have difficulty finding the right formula which ultimately has no effect and does not produce changes.So the point is that in terms of the healing process from gambling addiction, it really requires a good combination between the doctor / expert and the patient who wants to be treated, everything can run smoothly if they are open to each other and create good comfort in the healing process.
You can take a horse to the river bank but you can’t force it to have a drink of water. Someone not willing to recognize his problems cannot go about solving it. The patient first needs to muster enough will to get better cause he’s going to need a lot during the journey.
It really is quite necessary to find a new hobby that would help give you something else to focus on. Might as well be a productive one that could add to one’s worth.
I would expect a child to give weak arguments like “getting rich in future only if you continue gambling” and “how his luck is just around the corner” but I also wouldn’t be surprised to hear such from adults.
I’ll say.. this topic is quite interesting and engaging too. Would want to read other people’s approach to this.
A very interesting topic to see in the gambling section. This for certain at all levels, no matter how you look at it.It really is quite necessary to find a new hobby that would help give you something else to focus on. Might as well be a productive one that could add to one’s worth.
I would expect a child to give weak arguments like “getting rich in future only if you continue gambling” and “how his luck is just around the corner” but I also wouldn’t be surprised to hear such from adults.
I’ll say.. this topic is quite interesting and engaging too. Would want to read other people’s approach to this.
But back to the point you have made. Yes this is a major misconception of how the subject on a gambler's fallacy truly works.
I believe this had been discussed several years ago on another topic if I am not mistaken, as this was the initial time I had heard of this term being used in a public space and in recent conversation.
Having rewatched a series on Netflix just before the new year the main focus was putting blame on the character's shortcomings in life and financially due to gambling addiction.
And they directly pointed it out as a sickness one endures and nothing more than that.
So yes, I would have to agree with all who do see it as a mental illness inwhich one would need to seek treatment inorder to cure themselves of this disease.
That's right, this is a non-standard clinic. This is a special thought experiment. You say that classes at this clinic or school may give patients false hope. I would say it differently. You need to be objective and tell the truth. But the truth is that hope may not be false. Yes, it is difficult to get into the top 1% of profitable players, but in principle IT IS POSSIBLE. And until we have proven to the patient that, given his situation, it is impossible to become one of the profitable players in the game, he will continue to cling to it. But for the 1% of patients, the right treatment can and should be proof that they can become a profitable player.
Maybe the patient came to us by chance? And is this the future Bob Voulgaris or another gambling genius? Why should we tell him lies?
Maybe the patient came to us by chance? And is this the future Bob Voulgaris or another gambling genius? Why should we tell him lies?
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At 18, he took a gap year, traveling to his parents' birth towns of Argos and Tripoli. He then joined his father in Las Vegas for two months, staying at Caesars Palace.
It looks like he discovered himself, and he had nice starting help. I believe we can agree that the beginnings are the hardest.
Anything is possible, that's why we are gambling in the first place... but we need to know our possibilities & chances. I guess in principle it's possible to help some people discover their inner talents for some gambling games, but to me, it looks like a school of gambling. And my opinion about such schools would be the same as about paid poker courses and sports tipsters, most of them will just try to take money and will not help in anything. I guess the ones who can make a difference are pretty expensive and it's not easy to find them.
2.The argument “Most people lose in the long run” and “it is impossible to make money in poker and sports betting.” Still, we know, perhaps, several dozen people who have made or are making money from gambling. But there are very, very few of them. The main mistake a person makes is that he hopes to get into this very small number.
But how can a person prove that he will not be included in this number?
But how can a person prove that he will not be included in this number?
You are not talking about a Mental rehabilitation clinic... As far as I can see from your opening post and this post you are talking about some "gambling school". A place where gamblers can learn more about gambling and about the ways of improving their winning odds.
The thing is that nobody can prove anything when it comes to gambling. It's on us to try it, as most of us are trying, but we don't know the result and we can't predict the outcome. In the end, just a few percent of people will make some profit and others will be on the losing side. There are no guarantees in gambling, so running this "gambling clinic or school" can give some people false hope that they can make money in gambling in the long run.
Maybe the patient came to us by chance? And is this the future Bob Voulgaris or another gambling genius? Why should we tell him lies?
I think the gambling addiction clinic should use a mix methods and support groups instead of just relying on gambling experts. Gambling experts give good advice but it is good to deal with the emotional and psychological reasons why someone has an addiction of gambling. They should try to set their minds. Because some times people do gambling for relaxation but when they lose money this affect them emotionally.
The gambler may say that they can control their gambling or stop whenever they want. But this is not an easy thing. It's also important to suggest finding other things to do instead of gambling to keep them busy and safe them from to much gambling. In this way they will busy their self to others game and then with the passage of time they will leave gambling.
The gambler may say that they can control their gambling or stop whenever they want. But this is not an easy thing. It's also important to suggest finding other things to do instead of gambling to keep them busy and safe them from to much gambling. In this way they will busy their self to others game and then with the passage of time they will leave gambling.
It's a good topic but it's also a difficult topic to talk about because the advice of doctors is more important in these things. I think group therapy can have a calming effect on these people. Being in a group that has the same impulses as us makes us feel that we are not alone. Also, the motivating words of the people there have a bigger impact on us. Medication would be the last thing I would recommend, because with medication we may get them out of gambling addiction, but we make them drug addicted.
Sure, medical opinions from profesional doctors are supposed to be taken the most serious and those groups for people who are going through addictions like drug addictions, gambling addiction and even addiction to pornography, however I believe you are over-estimating the capabilities of those medicines to get people addicted to them and you are underestimating how effective their use can be to improve the cravings some people can have for gambling. In my opinion, if money or access to the medicine is not a problem, someone who is addicted to gambling should not completely cross out medicine as an option to their their condition, as least temporary. In the most of the cases those are not supposed to be taken for the rest of their life, only while the psycholical treatment lasts.
You know, I would like for more mental clinics to be available, specially in developing countries, where is sometimes the most needed.
Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
Simply I would say, "why are you here in this situation?" it may be harsh or my approach will harsh but that's what I think is most effective, I will make him realized the hard part of his action, first I will make him realize why he is in this rehabilitation facility, it means that he is beyond help and his family can't help him anymore or possible his family don't want to help him, in that way he may reflect in his actions and start to develop a regret which could be use to say to him that gambling is the cause of all this happenings, if he will still persist and believe that gambling may bring him into wealth then I will still throw him a harsh reality of his action until he realized the terror of gambling and its effects, the terror of himself who he cannot control and the future awaits him if he still don't stop in gambling. Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
OP, I don't know how to help and addicted gambler talk more of an addict in a rehab and I am not a professional in gambling related problems, and I think it is a gamble specialist that can give you good answer to this your question.
The only thing that I can say is that an alternative means should be provided to engage the addict gambler that will make him forget about gambling. Maybe a game for fun or sport.
The only thing that I can say is that an alternative means should be provided to engage the addict gambler that will make him forget about gambling. Maybe a game for fun or sport.
The gambler who get addicted to the gambling will not accept the words of any people which includes their close friends and the family members including wife.After the certain game,the gambler should learn the game,playing the game all the time like the new gamblers will make you to loss the entire funds.The gambler who posses the loss again and again in the gambling site will face the big loss at the end of the day.So the gamblers should allow the time gap to rebreather and back to the game with the new strategies.If the gambler do the same strategy for the 24 hours period of time will leads to the loss.So the gambler keep changing the gambling strategy for few times in the same day alone leads to the good winnings in the game.This was the important strategy for the casino game in the gambling site.
Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology.
The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab.
It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself.
Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab.
It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself.
Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
I think that rehabilitation clinics exist for gamblers as well, in most developed countries. Gambling is just the same kind of addiction as any other addiction. It is a chemical Dysbalance in the brain which causes the unwanted behavioral symptoms. I do not think it is a good idea to remove the use of pharmacology because medicine could be required for some cases. Especially if the patient has a genetically predisposed brain condition which makes him become addicted very easily.
Listening to the patient is really not a wise decision. They do not really understand what they are doing or saying because they are sick. To them, the world seems completely different.
I think the doctors who work at rehabs know what is best.
It's a good topic but it's also a difficult topic to talk about because the advice of doctors is more important in these things. I think group therapy can have a calming effect on these people. Being in a group that has the same impulses as us makes us feel that we are not alone. Also, the motivating words of the people there have a bigger impact on us. Medication would be the last thing I would recommend, because with medication we may get them out of gambling addiction, but we make them drug addicted.
OP, I don't know how to help and addicted gambler talk more of an addict in a rehab and I am not a professional in gambling related problems, and I think it is a gamble specialist that can give you good answer to this your question.
The only thing that I can say is that an alternative means should be provided to engage the addict gambler that will make him forget about gambling. Maybe a game for fun or sport.
The only thing that I can say is that an alternative means should be provided to engage the addict gambler that will make him forget about gambling. Maybe a game for fun or sport.
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