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legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 3282
January 24, 2018, 10:50:33 PM

Hi, I’m newbie and start forum life in local ( Russian tear),  try no spam,  give some useful links for good youtube channels to another users etc.  But I never get merit (yes I wanna higher rank )) ) from forum  participants  – because merit system assumes what - members,  f.members , s. members and hero is more advantageous to negotiate and give merits to each other for boosting accounts. Remained legends they are mostly trade merits for people who need it  because it will be in demand from users.
Question:  you do not think that system is not friendly for a new users  (not spamer not farmer)  and  slow down the progress .
Yes I newbie in crypto and want get some money, yes 3 world country and blablabla but I want to get lure and give something good for crypto community, but this system depressing me.

Sorry for poor English


Merits literally launched ~6 hours ago, so it's very reasonable (and expected) that no one has given you merit yet. The system can be tweaked if needed by adding more merit sources, and it will be hard to just trade merits without getting caught and possibly given a negative trust.

Just thought of another one; if a post has merit and is then deleted, are those issued merits lost?

No.

How about if the post merited is deleted? Will the merit count? Or erased too? Because somebody could just use merit for unreasonable purpose.

The merit is not undone if the post is deleted.
full member
Activity: 234
Merit: 100
January 24, 2018, 10:50:19 PM
Merits, for me, is like a sacred thing. Merits should be earned and not bought or traded, like it were just some kind of commodity. So it must only be given or done to the worthy recipient whose posts are objective and quality postings.
If we try to look at it, this merit system teaches us to be appreciative especially to those who post constructively which are drowned by the vast ocean of garbage posts. Like trust, you only gave it to those who deserve it.
legendary
Activity: 3626
Merit: 2209
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January 24, 2018, 10:50:05 PM
Just thought of another one; if a post has merit and is then deleted, are those issued merits lost?
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 526
January 24, 2018, 10:48:01 PM
  I hope this merit system does not just become a Karma farm. Or, worse, a karma farm of friends. But open up the opportunity for quality content to be discussed here, including voices against the mainstream. That the ponzi schemes and scams can be unmasked in long and deep topics containing evidence and facts. And that those who are always willing to help who arrive, can be rewarded with the merit it deserves.
jr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 3
January 24, 2018, 10:47:23 PM

Hi, I’m newbie and start forum life in local ( Russian tear),  try no spam,  give some useful links for good youtube channels to another users etc.  But I never get merit (yes I wanna higher rank )) ) from forum  participants  – because merit system assumes what - members,  f.members , s. members and hero is more advantageous to negotiate and give merits to each other for boosting accounts. Remained legends they are mostly trade merits for people who need it  because it will be in demand from users.
Question:  you do not think that system is not friendly for a new users  (not spamer not farmer)  and  slow down the progress .
Yes I newbie in crypto and want get some money, yes 3 world country and blablabla but I want to get lure and give something good for crypto community, but this system depressing me.

Sorry for poor English
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 3282
January 24, 2018, 10:46:56 PM
Merits, for me, is like a sacred thing. Merits should be earned and not bought or traded, like it were just some kind of commodity. So it must only be given or done to the worthy recipient whose posts are objective and of quality postings.

Um, that's how it supposed to work and basically what the original post said.
sr. member
Activity: 1106
Merit: 251
January 24, 2018, 10:45:20 PM
Merits, for me, is like a sacred thing. Merits should be earned and not bought or traded, like it were just some kind of commodity. So it must only be given or done to the worthy recipient whose posts are objective and of quality postings.
legendary
Activity: 3626
Merit: 2209
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January 24, 2018, 10:43:52 PM
I'm trying to read through the eleven pages of posts that have occurred in the last almost four hours, but in case it hasn't already been suggested, Merits are only given on new posts, not pre-today.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1552
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January 24, 2018, 10:40:55 PM
I appreciate the goal of this new forum restrictions, and I know why it is implemented is because to avoid abusing the ranking System and to reduce the number of spammers and shitposters.

But, I think it would gonna be unfair for some. I know that we are not obligated or encouraged to give sMerits whose posts has good quality.

But, I think there is no somebody else that will put an effort to give you sMerit even though you have a juicy post. If there is one person who can give you it would be a friend of yours.

Secondly, prior to the first problem that we will encounter, in order to solve that, I think having unlimited sMerits will be good. So that we are not going to hesitate to give sMerits without losing ours.

Restrictions for having unlimted no. of sMerits:
1. You can only give 1 sMerits per account. Come to think of like facebook.
2. Having a thread whose goal is to collect sMerits will be banned permanently.

Having a limited no. of sMerits is unfair to some, perhaps having an alt accounts can be rewarding even if there are only a limited no. of sMerits you can give it can still be rewarding.

Can I also get some of delimitations regarding this? I also just want to improve the forum. Thank you. Have a great day
sr. member
Activity: 756
Merit: 259
January 24, 2018, 10:43:05 PM
Woach, that is some new exciting rules on the forum. Meaning it is harder to become a higher rank on the forum, what is good and challenging. Let's try use Merit as it supposed to be used Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1431
January 24, 2018, 10:40:33 PM
.. may I have some merits? I seem to need alot to get to the next level.
you're asking it wrong. it should be:

If you enjoy this post, don't forget to merit, reply, and subscribe. It really helps me out!

 Tongue
full member
Activity: 234
Merit: 100
January 24, 2018, 10:40:21 PM
Why not make Merit and sMerit crypto tokens?
Because this isnt ERC20talk.org

We dont have trust and negtrust tokens either. And that's fine.
I find this funny. These guys need to review what Bitcoin "is." Go to an Ethereum's forum or any other coin that offers token creation. Lol.

correct me if i am wrong please

from now on those farmed potential accounts (with minimum post history) has no value right they are all same newbie account based on new merit system

if that so thats realy nice feature
No. If their account is in full member then it is on full member. The thing is (if you read the previous post in this thread and you can find the answer in pages 1 and 2) it would be tricky to rank their account up especially when they only post garbage.
legendary
Activity: 2394
Merit: 1231
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January 24, 2018, 10:38:19 PM
I see many quality post here but didn't have a merit. As I can say the problem will be the members who are not participating the purpose of the merit system.
sr. member
Activity: 1792
Merit: 293
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January 24, 2018, 10:37:44 PM
First, I think theymos should clarify whether it is against the forum rules to 'sell' merit or not. It should be. At the very least, it will discourage the more honest members, who don't want their account banned due to violation of the rules.


'sell' merit will be happen. this is what we should monitoring. people can make telegram channel for buy/sell merit, or other channel for this.
if sMerit not tradeable, you should delete and banned all account that made the thread, but you can control them in other forum such as telegram and slack
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1123
January 24, 2018, 10:37:23 PM
Also I foresee how users who know each others from long time will distribute merits among themselves even without proper well written posts. (I didn't read the rules accurately so maybe this is not possibile)

I hope this system will work out, but when you give power to users, it's a risk, there is always someone who will try to take advantage by cheat the system.

The limits that are in place seem pretty solid for combating this sort of in-grouping; that being said almost all of the users that have known each-other a long time are already legendary and therefore have no incentive to hoard merit points among themselves in order to rank up.

Right now the system is being cheated and taken advantage of by users spamming around nonsense; they are ruining the forum for everyone else. This is, in part, a counter-measure against that; of course it will come with it's own problems, but as long as it remains a net-positive then we are in business.

I thought of unlimited as a source that will go on producing sMerit.
Yes, it is limited ... but it will never dry out.

Now, most of the merit point will go of course to the oldest and wisest members on the forum (as it is normal) , so how much of it could go to new accounts? Probably 1-5%.

Those points might get too valuable

But already Lutpin addressed the issue:
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I think the amount of merit sources is supposed to increase over time.

I suppose it is unlimited if we were able to stick around forever, but we have a finite time to live so effectively there is still a limit on the distribution; I see your point, though.

I do not see a problem with the majority of the points going to the best contributors, based on their merit, do you? I do not think new accounts contribute much more than 5% of the wisdom, nuance, creativity or information around here. Should an uninformed spammer be a Hero member?

The points are meant to be valuable, but yes there will be fluctuation in the sources/amount created in order to maintain a happy medium.

I expect merit to tend toward scarcity as time goes on, but when it gets too scarce, I'll have to add more merit sources or give the existing sources more free sMerit. The goal will be to avoid people from feeling like getting merit is virtually impossible, but also to avoid a scenario where everyone is always maxing out the limits because 1 merit is ~worthless.

Each source has a different limit per 30 days. up to 8125 merit could be created per month.

So with this merit system what is the expected time to get to legendary?

You're missing the point; there is no longer an "expected" time, just by going through the motions and taking advantage of the system. You will never make it without merit-earning posts.
sr. member
Activity: 980
Merit: 257
January 24, 2018, 10:36:20 PM
correct me if i am wrong please

from now on those farmed potential accounts (with minimum post history) has no value right they are all same newbie account based on new merit system

if that so thats realy nice feature
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 3282
January 24, 2018, 10:35:31 PM
Why not make Merit and sMerit crypto tokens?

It's pointless, over complicated, doesn't need to have the properties of a token, and should be free to give, and not cost gas or whatever the fee is called for other chains with tokens.

To be honest I don't really want to post anything.  I just want to lurk around and choose my participation on my own and I have been around bitcoin for a long time yet my rank is "only" member.  The requirements of bitcointalk and signature campaigns force many people ,including myself, to make really dumb ass posts.  The entire system of "activity" and "merits" actually creates the very thing it tries to prevent because it creates an incentive for people to create signature campaigns around ranks which require posts, including shit-posts, to participate in. 

Then don't post. Rank doesn't matter if you just lurk. Better than the countless one liners you have in your past history.
member
Activity: 127
Merit: 11
January 24, 2018, 10:35:25 PM
To be honest I don't really want to post anything.  I just want to lurk around and choose my participation on my own and I have been around bitcoin for a long time yet my rank is "only" member.  The requirements of bitcointalk and signature campaigns force many people ,including myself, to make really dumb ass posts.  The entire system of "activity" and "merits" actually creates the very thing it tries to prevent because it creates an incentive for people to create signature campaigns around ranks which require posts, including shit-posts, to participate in.  
sr. member
Activity: 686
Merit: 251
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January 24, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
Why not make Merit and sMerit crypto tokens?
copper member
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1874
Goodbye, Z.
January 24, 2018, 10:33:47 PM
First, I think theymos should clarify whether it is against the forum rules to 'sell' merit or not. It should be.
For me (and other sources), it is. My merit page reads
"You are a merit source. The next XXX merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit."
As sources are the only permanent holder of sMerit (they regain their limit every 30 days), this generally disallows the sale of Merit on a long term perspective.



Why not make Merit and sMerit crypto tokens?
Because this isnt ERC20talk.org

We dont have trust and negtrust tokens either. And that's fine.
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