Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 88. (Read 167726 times)

Actually, TheQuin has summarized it nicely, but I’ll just add my 2 cents:
I looked briefly through your posting history. As you said, you post basically on the Ann Altcoins section of the forum. Numerically, that is the most merit awarded section of all the forum (12,57%), although in the last month it has dropped down to third place (9,27% of all sMerit).

Ann is a strange section in terms of merit. I haven’t analysed it too much in depth, but perception leads me to believe that the sMerit that does get awarded there often goes to Ann thread openers, as a means of creating a perception of trustworthiness in the token/coin as I’ve seen you yourself stated in your posts some time back. These at some point may hand out sMerit to others within the Ann thread. I haven’t taken a look at the specific criteria used, although we have all seen shady awarding going on in that section (as others) at some point, being such a large and dynamic area.
Nowadays, probably contrary to what the Merit System intended initially, there is a large responsibility concentrated on Merit Sources for sMerit awarding. They are behind, I’d say, more than half of sMerit that is being awarded. I would venture to say that the Ann section has no merit sources there (nor need be most would say).

It shouldn’t really be a question of the section that you post in, but it does have it’s influence I guess in terms of where merit awarders may be more active. Even so, that is totally secondary I’d say (with the exception of most local boards) to the main factors such as posts content, depth, and style itself, alongside your aggregate posting history, which conforms part of your digital board character.

The whole Bitcoin forum section adds up to 9,18% of all awarded Merit (Bitcoin Discussion 4,94%, Bitcoin Technical Support 0,56%, Development & Technical Discussion 2,44%, Mining 0,97%, Project Development 0,27%). Not a lot on a Bitcoin forum, but Merit is not specifically aimed at Bitcoin, but rather any useful/interesting/controversial/you name it kind of post.

Meta is one of the interesting sections, since it has reduced spam and some bright people around, focusing on ideas related to the forum itself. The forum is the infrastructure for talking about bitcoin and other areas, therefore Meta should be a rather merited section. Bitcoin seems under-merited subjectively, but there are many spam megathreads there that don’t help too much, and the really technical posts are understood only by a reduced set of eyes.

Have a look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent and you'll see that there is Merit in other sections. Really it is about if someone else finds a post useful or interesting.

Most of the posts that earned merits for DdmrDdmr were from Meta and serious discussion sections,but I rarely post on those sections.

So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others? I agree that there were lot of spammers who have no knowledge about cryptos but still posting for earning money from bounties but we need to have find the quality posts in the bitcoin section as well,since the main reason of the forum is to discussing about bitcoin.

Have a look at the posts he received Merit for and you'll work it out.


It had nothing to do with that at all. The system was designed to stop people from automatically ranking up just by posting anything. Gaining rank is now something that has to be earned by making a valuable contribution to the forum. The people polluting the forum by posting repetitive pointless posts in spam megathreads are going to be stuck on the same rank forever.

@DdmrDdmr hey I can see you have a huge number of merits, how you got that. I have been very good in terms of posting, still i did not manage to get these many merits. Now since months, I don't have smerits also go give it to someone I want. Obviously, you would have done the right things and I have not. Could you advise how to get merits, is it any special area in this form gets you more merit, because i am mostly active on coin announcement threads. I am here more than 1 year before you, still we are on the same rank, does that seem right to you?

This whole merit system was to stop scams, but it also pushed good actors in some way. I am about to each activity count required for hero, however, I am not even sn member.
I am stuck at full member and i do not see any hope to go forward this way.

especially this bear market will also eliminate any chances of getting merits as there are less active people now.

Formally, the core use from a member’s point of view is for ranking-up. Some campaign managers are also using it to set an entry-level earned merit minimum for the campaigns they manage. Alas, it is not a general practice (yet, if ever).

ALT non-official possible uses are:
-   Frustration and anger enhancers, if no smerits are awarded.
-   Ego petting, if some smerits are awarded.
-   Ego jerking, if many smerits are awarded (we’re all above 18 here I guess…).
-   Getting potentially red-tagged if being clumsy and deciding to move on to merit abuse.
-   Getting potentially banned, if the above leads to help prove ALTs involved in breaking the rules.
-   Helping one to keep their current rank and not progress in the scale, if posts do not sync on the same protocol to merit awarders.
-   Substitute for brain-trainers.
-   Etc.

The list could go on and on…

Yes, it does. Merit requires you to read before posting.

Ok, this question has been answered multiple times, but I guess we can refresh the answer here by just quoting myself from another thread:

What has changes since the original post being quoted is that there are now really 84 merit sources, distributing a potential total of 19500 sMerit per 30 days.

If you want to really learn about it, I's suggest taking a look at Link:  BitcoinTalk Merit Dashboard.  Specifically, on the "From/To Ranks" tab you can see which ranks send sMerit to which other ranks, filtering by date interval if you want to concentrate say for example in the last month only (by default, all history of merit transactions is displayed).


Yes, you’re one of the 12 cases on the list that is now a Hero, on the way from Legendary, but started off from Sr. Member really.
The cases are: TheQuin, gawlea, HairyMaclairy, mstfprcn, zonefloor, alex bond, saulzaents, ATMcoin, identifyuser, Tukang Becak, bob123.
Your specific case has the most merit of the set, and are as you say in the '17 have over 600 merits in all (awarded over 100 merits)' group. To be more specific, all the cases above mentioned to start at Sr. Member rank have been awarded over 250 Merits (thus Heroes from Sr. Members), being your case in the above 400 sMerits range (402 specifically).

Thanks, that's a great breakdown of the data but just to be awkward I don't fit into any of those categories as I'm one of the few to rank up from Sr. So I guess I'm included in the '17 have over 600 merits in all (awarded over 100 merits)' group.

let us play a different game, I will show you a few of your own posts that have keyword: poor quality and will show you why you should have atleast than amount reduced from your merit. deal?

Not that easy for me to get 10 merit I am a member since Jan 2018 and still get 0 merit 

My posts maybe useless junk 

Wow you got lots of merit for posting a useful article on bitcointalk thanks for explaining it my question is who can gives merit only legendary members ? I got the main point how we can get the merit impressive!

I always thinking over 900 posts I still Jr Member that's the reason behind it 

Hope I made some useful posts to get merit at-least 100   

What I meant to get at is that most complaints come from lower ranked members, but I wanted to emphasize that merit is difficult at all levels, and even more so considering that the top ranks require an enormous amount of Merits.
For example, the Hero Rank for example has currently 1.060 forum members which have received at least 1 sMerit. I don’t know what fraction of active Hero members that represents (I guess Vod could fill up in here), but out of the merited heroes, just looking at the merit side:

-   90 are waiting to be named Legendary, having and initial merit of 1.000 (Hero exceptions theymos mentioned once as having received an airdrop of 1K merit if I’m not mistaken). These are in the randomizer queue you mention.
-   1, Jet Cash, has formally made it to Legendary having been awarded >= 500 additional Merits (not in the 1.060 sum since he is now a Legendary).
-   3 more are virtually there (Last of the V8s, TMAN, hilariousetc), having been awarded >= 500 additional Merits, but lack the formal Legendary rank title (also in the randomizer queue therefore).
-   2 are nearly there, with over 900 merits in all (awarded over 400 merits): BTCforJoe & HCP.
-   3 are close, with over 800 merits in all (awarded over 300 merits): marlboroza, romanornr and Hhampuz.
-   4 have over 700 merits in all (awarded over 200 merits): tonych, sabotag3x, poptop and TryNinja.
-   17 have over 600 merits in all (awarded over 100 merits).
-   941 have under 600 merits in all (awarded under 100 merits).

In summary, 88,77% of Heroes that have received at least 1 sMerit require at least 400 sMerits more to rank-up to Legendary (just looking at Merits here, not activity). In the same period of time, only one Hero has made it to Legendary formality, and three more virtually...

It doesn't seem to act as a spam deterrent, just as a ranking-up barrier. So long as campaigns do not all include awarded Merits as a requirement, spam will be as it is I'd say.

So, considering 10 merit pretty easy to get with a small effort... things changed from “everyone will rank up, just be active and wait” to “only 165 people managed to rank up in six months”

Cool 

Did someone actually noticed this?
Meaning, less spam and bs posting just for sig around?

That isn't really surprising when you consider that with the Legendary randomiser just to get the activity takes between 9 and 18 months. It will interesting to see how many have made it after that time has elapsed.

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Ranked-up members can be seen here on the  Merit Dashboard. Simply go into the "Ranked-Up" Tab and you’ll see all forum users profile names that have required merit to rank-up and achieved it.

In total, 2.439 people have managed it, making it to the following ranks:
    1 from Hero to Legendary
  11 from Sr. Member to Hero Member
  49 from Full Member to Sr. Member
   5 from Member to Sr. Member
  63 from Member to Full Member
    1 from Jr. Member or less to Sr Member
  35 from Jr. Member or less to Full Member (me included)
  2.274 from Jr. Member or less to Member

Not a large amount at all really, but the difficulty is at all levels really (Hero to Legendary looks like a steep path that only felines have been able to tackle so far).

In addition, check the tab called "Ranking-up Pipeline" to see how many users are how far from ranking up to their next level in terms of activity and/or merit.

Take a look at this post

And btw, proud of being on that list  

Is there any statistics on merit-based rank changes? I'm pretty sure that less than 5% of full members got their rank because of merit. I see many users with 200+ activity and 0 to 5 merit. This system is nonsence, administrators could just stop assigning new ranks to anyone registered after certain date with virtually the same result.

I actually agree. If you could not have a signature or avatar until you get enough merits to be a member, you won't have three million newbies and juniors spamming every thread on BCT with one-sentence replies. Along of course with all the oddly off-topic replies and shilling by newbie and junior bots.

But then you would also need to crack down on merit abuse, where people create multiple accounts and merit themselves, or when people sell merit.

And finally, although the number these is not as great, but dealing with members prior to the merit system rolling in who automatically received more merit than the quality of their posts deserved. I see plenty of Sr and Hero members who post lots of crappy content.

I thought the avatar and signature restrictions were overly-restrictive at first, but this forum is unusual - perhaps unique, even - in that you can get paid quite a bit for using either/both as advertising space. Once I noticed just how many of the newbies and jr. members were shilling some shitcoin or another in their sig while barely being able to spell bitcoin, I actually started thinking the current restrictions aren't enough. Honestly, this forum has a problem with spam, bots and shitposting that is truly like nothing else I have seen in 28 years of using the internet (since I first arrived at GaTech in 1990; obviously no WWW back then - it was all FTP and USENET, baby!).