I think saying "ranks should be done via their post counts and quality" is exactly why there is a merit system-- to know which posts are quality posts and should be given merits.
I may not have merits yet, and I also am frustrated about not getting any. But I'm a new member, and I see lots of other users here with lots of merits, which kind of gives me hope because it means it is not impossible to get them, just extremely hard.
I know where you're coming from, but the merit sytem is there to preserve quality and to filter the forum of spammers and shitposters. Good luck to us!!
Topic: Merit system should be removed ! (Read 1657 times)
I've been on a couple of merit awarding cruises today, and I managed to find a couple of post to award with merit, but they are both by senior members. I'm starting to get really pissed off with the attitude here. The merit system is great, and it has got rid of some of the rubbish, but it has also generated a lot of indifferent posting. Whatever happened to intelligent, informative comments? Nobody cares about trying to improve their posting skills, or their contributions to the forum. They all say they are/will, but in reality they do f' all about it. All they seem to expect is upranking for trotting out standard rubbish to enable them to scrounge money from bounty programmes. What do you guys do in real life? Do your read or write letters to each other, or do you just communicate by sending stupid pictures over your cell phones?
I'm going to have to change my policy in awarding merits, because it's taking too long to find decent posts. Maybe I should just give 25 merits to a single post every day, but it won't be to someone who is whingeing about the system.
I really agree with what you say here, sir. This merit is good, but still, the system has its flaws. It is not our place to say this system is not good, not fair without giving a much better solution. I also really hope someone will appreciate the merit system by showing how this system will work in accordance with its purpose, one of which is the contest and reward for those who have quality posts and can help solve a person's problem. I'm going to have to change my policy in awarding merits, because it's taking too long to find decent posts. Maybe I should just give 25 merits to a single post every day, but it won't be to someone who is whingeing about the system.
I've been on a couple of merit awarding cruises today, and I managed to find a couple of post to award with merit, but they are both by senior members. I'm starting to get really pissed off with the attitude here. The merit system is great, and it has got rid of some of the rubbish, but it has also generated a lot of indifferent posting. Whatever happened to intelligent, informative comments? Nobody cares about trying to improve their posting skills, or their contributions to the forum. They all say they are/will, but in reality they do f' all about it. All they seem to expect is upranking for trotting out standard rubbish to enable them to scrounge money from bounty programmes. What do you guys do in real life? Do your read or write letters to each other, or do you just communicate by sending stupid pictures over your cell phones?
I'm going to have to change my policy in awarding merits, because it's taking too long to find decent posts. Maybe I should just give 25 merits to a single post every day, but it won't be to someone who is whingeing about the system.
I'm going to have to change my policy in awarding merits, because it's taking too long to find decent posts. Maybe I should just give 25 merits to a single post every day, but it won't be to someone who is whingeing about the system.
personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts
as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum
lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree
proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/more-than-1000-merit-abusers-found-here-clearly-motivated-red-trust-time-3402060
as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum
lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree
proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/more-than-1000-merit-abusers-found-here-clearly-motivated-red-trust-time-3402060
If you ask me about remove merit system, then I will say no. Merit system help to improve forum reputation. Specially reduce spam and shitpost. Other thing is forum members are motivating to make consatrctive and high quality post due to merit system. I believe this system should continue on future.
I know there is some merit abuser. It doesn't mean that should be remove merit system. If you found marit abuser and make a post. They will be punished.
The system is not a perfect fairly system, but it is fair enough for the forum users.
In addition, it is a really fair system for all newcomers after the launch of merit system in January of 2018. All newcomers since that point have the same starting point, have the same odds to earn merits; and only really deserved users can rank up due to merit system effects.
In addition, it is a really fair system for all newcomers after the launch of merit system in January of 2018. All newcomers since that point have the same starting point, have the same odds to earn merits; and only really deserved users can rank up due to merit system effects.
Well it sucks to be those who joined after January 2018 or were newbies or juniors during the month of January. Those people are ones who have been hard hit by the system. But if you ask me it was necessary and I am not joking or trying to puff my chest.
Bitcointalk has seen a huge flood of shitposting bottomfeeders who need to be exterminated. The merit system has been able to curb the ranking up of these scum of the forum. It has hit other legitimately good posters with equal gusto - collateral damage.
This cannot be avoided because it cannot review the release of each advantage. But this system does need improvement, and many senior members are using it to make money.
Of course the first thing that comes to the minds of shitposters is making off the forum. You only observe that they make money obviously because you are also interested in the same thing. Future shitposter here 
This cannot be avoided because it cannot review the release of each advantage. But this system does need improvement, and many senior members are using it to make money.
Merit system = reward quality content = fill the site with quality content which might attract new users?
This has not happened even after merit system. I mean we can see some quality posts here and there from members who are trying to get merits and rank up. But it had failed to control spammers which was the main motive. You can still find thousands of shit posts being made here everyday which makes threads look like garbage. Even the valuable replies in those threads loose their value because of this.
I think the merit system seems fair! Although I'm not sure about the reasoning behind the decision initially,
but basically higher rank = people can earn more from bounties, which seem to be the primary reason for many people to use the site.
Merit system = reward quality content = fill the site with quality content which might attract new users?
The system is not a perfect fairly system, but it is fair enough for the forum users.but basically higher rank = people can earn more from bounties, which seem to be the primary reason for many people to use the site.
Merit system = reward quality content = fill the site with quality content which might attract new users?
In addition, it is a really fair system for all newcomers after the launch of merit system in January of 2018. All newcomers since that point have the same starting point, have the same odds to earn merits; and only really deserved users can rank up due to merit system effects.
I think the merit system seems fair! Although I'm not sure about the reasoning behind the decision initially,
but basically higher rank = people can earn more from bounties, which seem to be the primary reason for many people to use the site.
Merit system = reward quality content = fill the site with quality content which might attract new users?
but basically higher rank = people can earn more from bounties, which seem to be the primary reason for many people to use the site.
Merit system = reward quality content = fill the site with quality content which might attract new users?
Do you think people look at your rank before they decide whether to read the post or not? Don't be silly. People care about the quality of contributions and not your rank, but if you make quality posts you will soon rise through the ranks anyway.
Agree with your point!Quality is the most important thing to catch attention of readers.
If threads contain twitter link (most of them come from campaigns), etc. those sort of annoying threads will never catch readers' eyes, they will ignore such boring threads very quickly.
Just feel that many good quality posts by newbies and jr.s are miss-looked because people don't want to read opinions of low-rankers.
Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
Do you think people look at your rank before they decide whether to read the post or not? Don't be silly. People care about the quality of contributions and not your rank, but if you make quality posts you will soon rise through the ranks anyway.
Just feel that many good quality posts by newbies and jr.s are miss-looked because people don't want to read opinions of low-rankers.
Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
I know some merit sources personally and after talking to them about their distributing methods - they are more lenient towards new members who are willing to post constructive content and not come here to shitpost to get paid.
You have stay happy with whatever merits you are getting because if Merit sources are not willing to merit you - you cant force them to do so.
Maybe take a small vacation form the forum and come back later and start posting with a fresh mind and it might have a different effect.
Something definitely should be done. I just read in another thread someone receiving 90 merits in one day from one guy, for short generic posts. Yet from my point of view getting just one merit, even from quality posts seems impossible. So it doesn't add up. It seems that the people receiving merits are people taking advantage of something.
Abuse on such large scale will most probably get caught and dealt with. But that is also not because the form staff is looking out for this but it the members who report it. Most of the people are doing it voluntarily as a contribution to the forum or in hope of getting merits in return.
Some people here have to understand two things :
1. There is no exact formula on how to get merit, because everyone's perception of "quality posts" is different.
2. You cannot just sit and think like, yeah now i'm gonna write a "quality post" only to get merit, rank up and join the bounties for more "money".
This is probably the worst strategy ever. You just generates a useless content, discussing bull# on useless mega-threads, trying to write long, grammatically /and politically / correct posts using google translate and copy-pasting content, because you fail to come up with something good and at the end you gonna get ban/tagged for all the bull# you have done.
Pushing yourself to rank up just for the only reason you are here - the "free money" well, you gonna 99.8% fail badly.
This is not for everyone, not anymore. If you want to get something for free, you have to sit on your butt and begin to learn.
What is the name of the forum?!?!?! Read it again loudly, it's for the father of all cryptocurrency so, stick to this topic, and away from all other shit.
Easy peasy, OK?
1. There is no exact formula on how to get merit, because everyone's perception of "quality posts" is different.
2. You cannot just sit and think like, yeah now i'm gonna write a "quality post" only to get merit, rank up and join the bounties for more "money".
This is probably the worst strategy ever. You just generates a useless content, discussing bull# on useless mega-threads, trying to write long, grammatically /and politically / correct posts using google translate and copy-pasting content, because you fail to come up with something good and at the end you gonna get ban/tagged for all the bull# you have done.
Pushing yourself to rank up just for the only reason you are here - the "free money" well, you gonna 99.8% fail badly.
This is not for everyone, not anymore. If you want to get something for free, you have to sit on your butt and begin to learn.
What is the name of the forum?!?!?! Read it again loudly, it's for the father of all cryptocurrency so, stick to this topic, and away from all other shit.
Easy peasy, OK?
Just feel that many good quality posts by newbies and jr.s are miss-looked because people don't want to read opinions of low-rankers.
Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
It doesn't make sense, let's take a look at nullius case study. If you are able to contribute helpful threads, someone (not all) in the forum will like your threads. Then, some of them will give you merits.Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
For someone who have kept complaining about merit system, its distributional mechanism, they should leave the forum, mainly because the forum is not a place for them, and they can not adapt to the new forum rules which related to merit system.
Just feel that many good quality posts by newbies and jr.s are miss-looked because people don't want to read opinions of low-rankers.
Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
Date of registration or number of posts doesn't mean a person has nothing to say
I may be stupid, but your post doesn't really provide any reason why lowering the requirements would be 'a big NO'.
The reason why is because the account farming and shitposting problem on bitcointalk has gotten very much out of hand, and the only thing that keeps people from ranking up 100s of accounts--with shitposts, no less--and selling them, is the merit system. It's not supposed to be easy anymore to rank up. It's supposed to take some time and effort to do so, and it's supposed to keep garbage shitposters from doing it at all. You might be feeling a sting of inconvenience because of the merit system, but I'm sure Theymos foresaw that and is now indifferent to the bitching about it.
There's no reason you could give here as to why you need to rank up any faster than you are that's going to get you much sympathy, so complaints generally fall upon deaf ears. You can still engage in discussion here with zero problems, regardless of rank, excepting Newbie where you have posting and PM restrictions. The only reason rank is important is for earning. Since that's so often done via shitposting, most bitcointalk members who've been around a while do not care if earning merit is hard for you. That's the bottom line.
personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts
as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum
lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree
proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/more-than-1000-merit-abusers-found-here-clearly-motivated-red-trust-time-3402060
I am here in bitcointalk to learn about cryptocurrency and to help in this forum. I admit that i'm still new or less experience but i'm not here just to rank up by getting merit instead make your way to become successful at what you're best at what you do. as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum
lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree
proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/more-than-1000-merit-abusers-found-here-clearly-motivated-red-trust-time-3402060
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Just in case no one loves you, I love you 3000.
The merit system is not a bad idea and it shouldn't be removed... However it needs to be improved as ranking up since the introduction of the merit-system seems to be 'impossible' due to the fact that even HQ posts/threads sometimes don't get any merit. Imho the requirements are too high and should be slightly lowered (at least for now) and may be adjusted over time.
Lowering requirements is a big NO and it was already discussed before.
Read most recent related topic: Why is it complicated to get merits
personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts
as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum
lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree
proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/more-than-1000-merit-abusers-found-here-clearly-motivated-red-trust-time-3402060
I hope you are more patient, this is the rule we must take.as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum
lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree
proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/more-than-1000-merit-abusers-found-here-clearly-motivated-red-trust-time-3402060
even though we have desires, we must see ourselves first. the extent to which we can do the job well.
then we think of reciprocity.
I personally though without rank also if we are diligent, I think will succeed.
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