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July 28, 2014, 04:54:23 AM
The support over 39 on polo is now quite unbelievable - if those walls are to be believed - 361 btc to 39. Maybe we will not have a repeat of last month where the price crashed at the middle of the month..could we have established a new floor in the mid 4's
hero member
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July 28, 2014, 04:33:55 AM
Any word on when Monero might be getting added to Cryptsy?
BCX stated that he talked with Cryptsy and it will be added as soon as they figure out how.
Expect a large price increase when this happens.
Monero is in case you don't know, completely different from Bitcoin so the exchanges have the to do special changes to their deposit and withdrawal systems to support Monero.
This is only good, it allows Monero to grow slowly.

More exchanges is fine but I think they will struggle to take much volume away from Polo, crytsy hasnt been up there for a while and there are many who don't trust it at all.

Guess they still have a following though so it will likely introduce some new market players.
newbie
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July 28, 2014, 03:56:30 AM
lol i think you can trust all the same. no exchange wil try to scam you since that would be just bad advertisement. No lock that cant be broken exist on Earth, so all exchanges can also be hacked. But if you wil think only of this you will not get nowhere. Just pick exchange, and buy. put on your wallet and forget about it for a year or 2.

BTW, i never saw on Poloniex anywhere close to 500 BTC offered to buy XMR as are now. 200 BTC was for over 0.0039.

Ok, i think that I will use Poloniex and hitbtc. Do you happen to know any exchanges with better terms than Poloniex and hitbtc?
sr. member
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July 27, 2014, 04:37:58 PM
does anyone know how many coins miners dump on the market each day?

Daily trading of XMR is 300% of what is mined, so how much miners dump directly dont realy matter. It is to tiny compared with volume.

The inflation is about 20,000 XMR == 90 BTC.

If we look at this in economics context, the miner has two businesses:

- Mining, in which he tries to produce coins the cheapest
- Investing/speculating, unless he immediately sells all the coins mined.

Your question is in a way irrelevant, because the miner "ceases to be a miner" if he also holds. If he is willing to hold the mined coins, he is as willing to buy the coins from an exchange. In theory at least (and xmr is quite an example of a "perfect market" for btc holders).

If otoh you were interested in knowing the percentage of miners that hold instead of sell, yes, my guess is that it is quite high. But all these withheld coins would likely have been bought instead in the market by the same guys.

In any case, the market must absorb the daily inflation. Monero's daily inflation is 2.5% of Bitcoin's. The price, is 0.43%. Monero is in an uptrend, with bitcoin that is not certain from the charts. We can conclude that in the investment flows point of view, Monero enjoys a much more important position than the market cap alone would lead us to think.




thank you both for the detailed response.

i have been buying xmr consistently lately and im please with the results.

it seems the buy support is always larger than any miner 'dumps' which is very comforting.

looks like bright days ahead.
legendary
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July 27, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
Any word on when Monero might be getting added to Cryptsy?
BCX stated that he talked with Cryptsy and it will be added as soon as they figure out how.
Expect a large price increase when this happens.
Monero is in case you don't know, completely different from Bitcoin so the exchanges have the to do special changes to their deposit and withdrawal systems to support Monero.
This is only good, it allows Monero to grow slowly.

I know nothing about Cryptsy but Monero is currently on at least 9 exchanges now.
sr. member
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English Motherfucker do you speak it ?
July 27, 2014, 12:12:35 PM
Any word on when Monero might be getting added to Cryptsy?
BCX stated that he talked with Cryptsy and it will be added as soon as they figure out how.
Expect a large price increase when this happens.
Monero is in case you don't know, completely different from Bitcoin so the exchanges have the to do special changes to their deposit and withdrawal systems to support Monero.
This is only good, it allows Monero to grow slowly.
legendary
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Well hello there!
July 26, 2014, 11:32:43 PM
Any word on when Monero might be getting added to Cryptsy?
hero member
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eidoo wallet
July 26, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
I hope people will make some deals at these prices with all of these bitcoins and moneros on the books.

yes, buy your moneroj now, it is still cheap!  Smiley

and please use the correct plural  Grin

The j at the end is actually incorrect, it would be correct if you were writing in the esperanto language, but since your using it in context with the english language, the correct plural would be s, moneros

the plural of the latin "museum" is also "musea" and generally accepted I think (it is for sure the right plural to use in Dutch, i'm not a native english speaker)

People speaking english don't say musea, they say museums, though musea is also technically correct. Basically, most english speakers use ,s, when saying the plural.of a word, so they say the plural of dog, as dogs, cat as cats, etc etc, and english is the 2nd biggest language on earth and widely growing, besides the chinese dialects because of their sheer population Ah, your not native so its ok.
legendary
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July 26, 2014, 10:50:32 PM
I hope people will make some deals at these prices with all of these bitcoins and moneros on the books.

yes, buy your moneroj now, it is still cheap!  Smiley

and please use the correct plural  Grin

The j at the end is actually incorrect, it would be correct if you were writing in the esperanto language, but since your using it in context with the english language, the correct plural would be s, moneros

the plural of the latin "museum" is also "musea" and generally accepted I think (it is for sure the right plural to use in Dutch, i'm not a native english speaker)
kbm
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July 26, 2014, 10:48:20 PM
I hope people will make some deals at these prices with all of these bitcoins and moneros on the books.

yes, buy your moneroj now, it is still cheap!  Smiley

and please use the correct plural  Grin

The j at the end is actually incorrect, it would be correct if you were writing in the esperanto language, but since your using it in context with the english language, the correct plural would be s, moneros

Monerojes! Cheesy

I do like that there's some contextually tough way of saying the plural in English. I remember trying to word out how Doge should be pronounced in my head many times in a similar fashion.
hero member
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eidoo wallet
July 26, 2014, 10:37:33 PM
I hope people will make some deals at these prices with all of these bitcoins and moneros on the books.

yes, buy your moneroj now, it is still cheap!  Smiley

and please use the correct plural  Grin

The j at the end is actually incorrect, it would be correct if you were writing in the esperanto language, but since your using it in context with the english language, the correct plural would be s, moneros
legendary
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Want privacy? Use Monero!
July 26, 2014, 10:16:24 PM
I hope people will make some deals at these prices with all of these bitcoins and moneros on the books.

yes, buy your moneroj now, it is still cheap!  Smiley

and please use the correct plural  Grin
donator
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July 26, 2014, 01:55:17 PM
does anyone know how many coins miners dump on the market each day?

Daily trading of XMR is 300% of what is mined, so how much miners dump directly dont realy matter. It is to tiny compared with volume.

The inflation is about 20,000 XMR == 90 BTC.

If we look at this in economics context, the miner has two businesses:

- Mining, in which he tries to produce coins the cheapest
- Investing/speculating, unless he immediately sells all the coins mined.

Your question is in a way irrelevant, because the miner "ceases to be a miner" if he also holds. If he is willing to hold the mined coins, he is as willing to buy the coins from an exchange. In theory at least (and xmr is quite an example of a "perfect market" for btc holders).

If otoh you were interested in knowing the percentage of miners that hold instead of sell, yes, my guess is that it is quite high. But all these withheld coins would likely have been bought instead in the market by the same guys.

In any case, the market must absorb the daily inflation. Monero's daily inflation is 2.5% of Bitcoin's. The price, is 0.43%. Monero is in an uptrend, with bitcoin that is not certain from the charts. We can conclude that in the investment flows point of view, Monero enjoys a much more important position than the market cap alone would lead us to think.


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July 26, 2014, 01:31:25 PM
rptiela is spot on. One of the few coins worth hodling.
sr. member
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Who cares?
July 26, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
Interesting to see all these large buys coincide with those proposed BTC regulations coming from New York.
legendary
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July 26, 2014, 12:38:14 PM
does anyone know how many coins miners dump on the market each day?


Daily trading of XMR is 300% of what is mined, so how much miners dump directly dont realy matter. It is to tiny compared with volume.


619 BTC in buy orders in Poloniex. This is the highest till now.

EDIT: 1522.47297271 BTC in buy orders now! Impressive!

Man I wish you got a screenshot of that one! I don't see it now.

That's about 15% of the marketcap chasing 1% of the total supply according to what's on the books! Cheesy
I had to take a screenshot, but I was already excited by the 619 BTC in buy orders and now I'm not even sure it was there.

Well it's 634 now, still 6.25% of the cap chasing 1%. That's still an insanely large sum.

I hope people will make some deals at these prices with all of these bitcoins and moneros on the books.

But it looks funny. volume is getting lover then was yesterday and yesterday when there was 480 BTC on buying side, was 200 BTC to buy at over 0.0039btc, today is much less. Like someone would just like to show there is lots of buy.


EDIT: Now someone moved his offer, and put it on 0.0039, so now is 250-300BTC offering to buy over 0.0039. Maybe he just miss set his offer before.
donator
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July 26, 2014, 12:23:23 PM
Anything can happen Smiley

Even if it goes to 0.00365, the uptrend is not violated. still holds There are lots of people who capped the rally at 0.0058 by selling coins and many of them want to buy back. Also there are new buyers willing to enter. Potentially massive buyers. this is manifesting itself in huge walls, with at least one transforming to a market buy

On the other hand, many current owners are so maxxed out it's not even funny. Like 1000:1 xmr:btc. There was some exuberance when it was rising and that will be quenched. sentiment has normalized The miners' selling is pressuring the price. The coin is still useless and nothing interesting is about to come from the devs in at least a month. Technically it looks horrible with lower highs. still does All we need is the post-top second low of 0.00408 to be broken so we will break the first low of 0.00395 also, and then dip to 0.00365 fibonacci zone and staring into the abyss. actually we pretty much did just this, except that it rebounded - which was fully anticipated because these things happen in waves

I don't believe for a second that we dip to 0.002xx again, there are wealthy buyers to compete with each other preventing it. But 0.003xx is now very close. 8 hours to be exact (I have needed to admit the facts after burning money at ~0.005.)

We are likely talking about a longish decline though, just like the last time. It will be reinforcing itself cause the speculators also gradually throw in their towels. see longer explanation

To change this gloomy outlook, the following must happen:
- 0.00426 to hold it broke right away, setting a post-top low of 0.00377
- asks below 0.006 to fall below BTC100 (now: BTC227) not even close
- sustained breakout from the double top Smiley is not happening now

Fat chance Sad

Monero is a good coin. Buy and hold long term.

I have added comments in bold.

longer explanation:

I am thinking whether it will go up or down. The wallmaker at 39, 405, 41, 44 etc. seems to be one person who is a buyer. (Typically buy walls are used by sellers, that's why the clarification..). If he is indicative of a larger movement of fresh money, the others will step in trying to frontrun the yet others coming after that. Then many of the shorters at 50+ will be trapped because they are short of their preferred position but the market does not give the volume at their preferred buy zone (30-40), or even higher.

If we break out to the 50 range, it'll get real interesting Smiley

So even though the bearish scenario I outlined did manifest, I am now actually quite optimistic regarding the near-term price action.
kbm
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July 26, 2014, 12:10:58 PM
619 BTC in buy orders in Poloniex. This is the highest till now.

EDIT: 1522.47297271 BTC in buy orders now! Impressive!

Man I wish you got a screenshot of that one! I don't see it now.

That's about 15% of the marketcap chasing 1% of the total supply according to what's on the books! Cheesy
I had to take a screenshot, but I was already excited by the 619 BTC in buy orders and now I'm not even sure it was there.

Well it's 634 now, still 6.25% of the cap chasing 1%. That's still an insanely large sum.

I hope people will make some deals at these prices with all of these bitcoins and moneros on the books.
hero member
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July 26, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
619 BTC in buy orders in Poloniex. This is the highest till now.

EDIT: 1522.47297271 BTC in buy orders now! Impressive!

Man I wish you got a screenshot of that one! I don't see it now.

That's about 15% of the marketcap chasing 1% of the total supply according to what's on the books! Cheesy
I had to take a screenshot, but I was already excited by the 619 BTC in buy orders and now I'm not even sure it was there.
sr. member
Activity: 280
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July 26, 2014, 11:43:17 AM
does anyone know how many coins miners dump on the market each day?
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