As for whether or not to remove the tyre heating blankets in 2024, Pirelli has said that the impact of this decision on the show in races will be critical. One of the hallmarks of racing in F1 is the strength of the lap time advantage a new tire provides over an old tire if a driver pits earlier.
If the tires take longer to reach their highest potential, this can eliminate premature pitting altogether, forcing drivers to be more conservative about pit stops. Because i think it is unrealistic to start using tires that don't need preheating, to expect them to perform like tires that are heated before being fitted to the vehicle. If you start with a cold tire, you cannot have the grip given by the pre heated tire. Updates need to be done from the right perspective.
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June 23, 2023, 02:14:47 AM
June 22, 2023, 05:05:35 PM
Some fresh news
Binotto will probably soon be back in F1.
Alpine and Mclearens are interested in him.
Adrian Newey has spoken and he said he will leave RBR and F1 soon, his career is almost over.
Binotto will probably soon be back in F1.
Alpine and Mclearens are interested in him.
Adrian Newey has spoken and he said he will leave RBR and F1 soon, his career is almost over.
June 22, 2023, 03:43:38 PM
2023 F1 Austrian GP Schedule
Friday 30 June Practice 1 13:30-14:30
Friday 30 June Qualifying 17:00-18:00
Saturday 1 July Sprint Shootout 12:30-13:30
Saturday 1 July Sprint 16:30-17:30
Sunday 2 July Race 15:00
^ A little change of pace. There's a sprint race.
I don't mind the new format as much anymore.
Anyway, early lines have Verstappen to win at 1.29. :/
Friday 30 June Practice 1 13:30-14:30
Friday 30 June Qualifying 17:00-18:00
Saturday 1 July Sprint Shootout 12:30-13:30
Saturday 1 July Sprint 16:30-17:30
Sunday 2 July Race 15:00
^ A little change of pace. There's a sprint race.
I don't mind the new format as much anymore.Anyway, early lines have Verstappen to win at 1.29. :/
Yeah even the sprint system has changed by this season. In addition to sprint race we have a sprint shootout format as well. We even have a race to determine sprint grid.
If I'm not wrong Verstappen said that this was an unnecessary format and there was no need for it. To tell the truth it is good to watch Formula 1 more during a weekend to me. But I can understand the drivers of course as they are going to be much busier than before. Maybe FIA are just trying this format and will decide if they would use it for next seasons as well.Austria track is a really short one as we can see times like 1:05 and even below that in qualifying. Let's see how much dominant Verstappen will be this time.
June 22, 2023, 01:07:20 PM
That's true, 2 tire suppliers has never been a good thing in races, and it will never be possible to do that in future due to safety concerns. Well, yes the 2005's case is a clear one to demonstrate that how risky it is to use the 2 tires which aren't suitable for the conditions of a track. Such tires could cause damages and the chances of accidents increase to very high levels. I don't think that such tires could be beneficial to win the race unless the weather and track conditions support those.
yeap it will be Pirelli or Bridgeston?
How they will choose? Easy the one who will pay the more or the one who take the less money.
For the entrainment the best choice is to change so anything can happen.
June 22, 2023, 08:17:46 AM
Bernie Ecclestone and FIa said in the past that they will never introduce a double manufacturer for the tires.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
I also don't believ that 2 tyre suppliers is possible thing. We already had 2 suppliers at the same time in past - Michelin and Bridgestone and it wasn't always good thing. Just remember contraversial Indinapolis GP in 2005IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
That's true, 2 tire suppliers has never been a good thing in races, and it will never be possible to do that in future due to safety concerns. Well, yes the 2005's case is a clear one to demonstrate that how risky it is to use the 2 tires which aren't suitable for the conditions of a track. Such tires could cause damages and the chances of accidents increase to very high levels. I don't think that such tires could be beneficial to win the race unless the weather and track conditions support those.
June 22, 2023, 08:12:52 AM
Bernie Ecclestone and FIa said in the past that they will never introduce a double manufacturer for the tires.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
I also don't believ that 2 tyre suppliers is possible thing. We already had 2 suppliers at the same time in past - Michelin and Bridgestone and it wasn't always good thing. Just remember contraversial Indinapolis GP in 2005IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
I made a post trying to remember who the two suppliers were during the Schumacher - Ferrari era during the 2000's then I saw your post.
But yeah, it was Michelin and Bridgestone. And the problem as always in F1 is it's too mired with politics... Not really sure what went on during the 2005 United States GP but I'm pretty sure one manufacturer couldn't handle the competition so they started to use their connections at the FIA and it all went political. Tsk tsk... :/
Those were great times as Bridgestone were great tires to use in cold and rainy weather while Michelin excelled in really hot environments so even when the cars had difference the tires sometimes in different weather circumstances made the races look a bit more beautiful than usual.I think what is needed right now in F1 to add to the competition is to leave a free choice to all car manufacturers who are racing in F1 to choose any tire provider they see fit and to not limit one provider to this number of teams,free market means free competition but in FIA right now must be the politics who decide everything and we know everywhere politics is in not good things come out of it.
June 22, 2023, 07:58:55 AM
Bernie Ecclestone and FIa said in the past that they will never introduce a double manufacturer for the tires.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
I also don't believ that 2 tyre suppliers is possible thing. We already had 2 suppliers at the same time in past - Michelin and Bridgestone and it wasn't always good thing. Just remember contraversial Indinapolis GP in 2005IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
I made a post trying to remember who the two suppliers were during the Schumacher - Ferrari era during the 2000's then I saw your post.
But yeah, it was Michelin and Bridgestone. And the problem as always in F1 is it's too mired with politics... Not really sure what went on during the 2005 United States GP but I'm pretty sure one manufacturer couldn't handle the competition so they started to use their connections at the FIA and it all went political. Tsk tsk... :/
June 21, 2023, 05:31:38 PM
Bernie Ecclestone and FIa said in the past that they will never introduce a double manufacturer for the tires.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
I also don't believ that 2 tyre suppliers is possible thing. We already had 2 suppliers at the same time in past - Michelin and Bridgestone and it wasn't always good thing. Just remember contraversial Indinapolis GP in 2005 IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
June 21, 2023, 05:31:28 PM
Can Perez really be the kind of driver Red Bull wants now? l think he isn't as good as he needs to be just like most people share the same idea. The team must be also waiting for him to make a bigger contribution to constructors' championship to secure their title easier. But I don't feel like they want a competitive driver to Verstappen now.
Because Verstappen wants to be the number one and he wouldn't like a driver who is as competitive as himself right beside him in the team. Red Bull also wouldn't like to risk Verstappen's presence in the team by doing such thing I guess. Otherwise I would really love to see a competitive rival to Verstappen to make it more fun to watch.
Alonso comes to my mind directly about that but I'm just daydreaming. I guess there wouldn't be such deal like Perez out Alonso in.
Because Verstappen wants to be the number one and he wouldn't like a driver who is as competitive as himself right beside him in the team. Red Bull also wouldn't like to risk Verstappen's presence in the team by doing such thing I guess. Otherwise I would really love to see a competitive rival to Verstappen to make it more fun to watch.
Alonso comes to my mind directly about that but I'm just daydreaming. I guess there wouldn't be such deal like Perez out Alonso in.
I also think Red Bull don't seem to be wishing to have two title contenders at the same time. Because there is a hierarchy in this team. Verstappen is their number one driver and he will stay that way. After witnessing his high level of performance it wouldn't be meaningful for Red Bull to suddenly decide to bring another title contender to the team.
Therefore the probability of seeing Alonso there is not much high in my opinion. Alonso is still competitive and he still wants to be a world champion once again. But he will need to do this with Aston Martin or maybe another team in the future.
June 21, 2023, 05:05:17 PM
Bernie Ecclestone and FIa said in the past that they will never introduce a double manufacturer for the tires.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
IT is a big safety problem having 2 team building tires for creating an advantage for cars.
I think they will follow their rule and we will have only 1, Pirelli OR Bridgestone, and not AND.
June 21, 2023, 03:29:48 PM
Can Perez really be the kind of driver Red Bull wants now? l think he isn't as good as he needs to be just like most people share the same idea. The team must be also waiting for him to make a bigger contribution to constructors' championship to secure their title easier. But I don't feel like they want a competitive driver to Verstappen now.
Because Verstappen wants to be the number one and he wouldn't like a driver who is as competitive as himself right beside him in the team. Red Bull also wouldn't like to risk Verstappen's presence in the team by doing such thing I guess. Otherwise I would really love to see a competitive rival to Verstappen to make it more fun to watch.
Alonso comes to my mind directly about that but I'm just daydreaming. I guess there wouldn't be such deal like Perez out Alonso in.
Because Verstappen wants to be the number one and he wouldn't like a driver who is as competitive as himself right beside him in the team. Red Bull also wouldn't like to risk Verstappen's presence in the team by doing such thing I guess. Otherwise I would really love to see a competitive rival to Verstappen to make it more fun to watch.
Alonso comes to my mind directly about that but I'm just daydreaming. I guess there wouldn't be such deal like Perez out Alonso in.
June 21, 2023, 12:41:15 PM
Side rumros for 2026.
Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
I think we can already consider this as something much more accurate than just a rumor.Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
According to the BBC, Bridgestone would have effectively submitted a proposal to participate in the choice of tire suppliers, which would consequently have the responsibility to serve all other F1 teams.
I've been researching here, and the Japanese manufacturer has been in F1 between 1997 and 2010 and now they would have been "convinced" to return to the category mainly by the growing exposure in the USA. Recalling that currently Bridgestone already supplies tires to IndyCar through the Firestone brand.
In the last competition it had, if I remember correctly Bridgestone had given up because it had not accepted the posture of manufacturing tires with the posture of "faster wear", what could have convinced them otherwise this time?
This is why getting a competition is actually a good thing because it allows the teams to actually have the estimates they need to have, it allows them to be better. I think this will benefit everyone, even if the same company continues, they will do better job not to lose their business opportunity in this case and the marketing they are getting from it.
June 20, 2023, 07:22:10 PM
Side rumros for 2026.
Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
I think we can already consider this as something much more accurate than just a rumor.
According to the BBC, Bridgestone would have effectively submitted a proposal to participate in the choice of tire suppliers, which would consequently have the responsibility to serve all other F1 teams.
I've been researching here, and the Japanese manufacturer has been in F1 between 1997 and 2010 and now they would have been "convinced" to return to the category mainly by the growing exposure in the USA. Recalling that currently Bridgestone already supplies tires to IndyCar through the Firestone brand.
In the last competition it had, if I remember correctly Bridgestone had given up because it had not accepted the posture of manufacturing tires with the posture of "faster wear", what could have convinced them otherwise this time?
June 20, 2023, 06:38:18 PM
Side rumros for 2026.
Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
I really want to take back the two or more tyre manufacters, i know this call its again to be only one.
I also think we need to bring back some fun with tyre and strategy based, because now its really boring, only one very know change of tyres in the whole race. Medium and Hard nothing more.
June 20, 2023, 04:57:54 PM
Side rumros for 2026.
Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
Pirelli will be not the only Tier manufacturer who will ask FIA to create the tires for the car.
Another giant will be in the game it is not known yet but the rumor is for Bridgestone.
June 20, 2023, 11:52:50 AM
I agree about the change in F1's popularity depending on the competition level. Whenever there is a hot title competition in a season there is much bigger interest in the sport. But in times only one driver dominates a season by a huge gap many people start to get bored of watching the races and stop doing it later.
That season with an incredible competition between Verstappen and Hamilton until the last moments of the season was really amazing. FIA made a very huge mistake there as well about safety car rules though. But we can't bring back that time unfortunately. It is always going to be called as a debatable ending for that season.
I think we should realize it's more than just about Max winning, we had a near decade long Hamilton and Mercedes domination and f1 was fun back then as well, we have watched a lot of races and hoped some things would change with some teams, maybe not be the first team but at least win something. That means we are not going to really end up with quitting now just because Max is winning, it's the same thing.That season with an incredible competition between Verstappen and Hamilton until the last moments of the season was really amazing. FIA made a very huge mistake there as well about safety car rules though. But we can't bring back that time unfortunately. It is always going to be called as a debatable ending for that season.
Sometimes, some people and their cars are just so dominant that the first position is guaranteed, back when Hamilton was dominating, Bottas didn't really finish second every single race, sometimes he had trouble too, just as Perez. I think it's important to look at the other three teams and further, like how Mclaren finally did alright this race, probably biggest upgrade of any team.
June 20, 2023, 08:07:13 AM
~snip~
Anyway, what do you guys think of Hamilton to finish on the podium at 2.10? Mercedes might have made a breakthrough in car development.
Anyway, what do you guys think of Hamilton to finish on the podium at 2.10? Mercedes might have made a breakthrough in car development.
Now I see this odd as 3.00 and he is sharing the same odd with Leclerc to go for podium. Honestly it would be worth giving a shot. In FP2, Mercedes drivers seemed really fast and took the first and second places. FP3 was way different though but the track condition wasn't the same. On a wet track Mercedes drivers couldn't be effective enough.
Maybe this is a sign that Mercedes drivers may not be able to have a good placement in the race if we have a wet track during most part of the race. But of course it is still an FP session so it is better not to be very confident about such thing. If it rains during the race this track can be much more challenging for the drivers. I think we can see many DNFs.
I should've waited before making the bet then.
But I don't mind, it was just a small bet for fun so I'd be entertained to watch the race. But then I ended up not watching it as I had a couple of friends who wanted to meet up for some drinks. Lol.2023 F1 Austrian GP Schedule
Friday 30 June Practice 1 13:30-14:30
Friday 30 June Qualifying 17:00-18:00
Saturday 1 July Sprint Shootout 12:30-13:30
Saturday 1 July Sprint 16:30-17:30
Sunday 2 July Race 15:00
^ A little change of pace. There's a sprint race.
I don't mind the new format as much anymore.Anyway, early lines have Verstappen to win at 1.29. :/
June 20, 2023, 12:04:46 AM
Jorge Martin was absolutely outstanding in finishing the race at Germany's Sachsenring last Sunday. How could it not be, he who was able to win the Sprint Race was also able to win the race on Sunday by continuing to fight when he was under pressure from Pecco Bagnaia who even touched at corner 13, which is the last corner of the circuit before entering the Last Lap.
But Jorge Martin kept calm with extraordinary consistency until he touched the finish line even though he began to fight fiercely with Pecco Bagnaia five laps before the end of the race. That's the thrill of racing at Sachsenring Germany this season when there are two riders using motorbikes with the same specs even though the teams are different, and this week the MotoGP race will be held again at the Dutch Assen circuit. Hopefully the race there can also be more exciting than the race in Germany.
But Jorge Martin kept calm with extraordinary consistency until he touched the finish line even though he began to fight fiercely with Pecco Bagnaia five laps before the end of the race. That's the thrill of racing at Sachsenring Germany this season when there are two riders using motorbikes with the same specs even though the teams are different, and this week the MotoGP race will be held again at the Dutch Assen circuit. Hopefully the race there can also be more exciting than the race in Germany.
June 19, 2023, 04:21:05 PM
I agree about the change in F1's popularity depending on the competition level. Whenever there is a hot title competition in a season there is much bigger interest in the sport. But in times only one driver dominates a season by a huge gap many people start to get bored of watching the races and stop doing it later.
That season with an incredible competition between Verstappen and Hamilton until the last moments of the season was really amazing. FIA made a very huge mistake there as well about safety car rules though. But we can't bring back that time unfortunately. It is always going to be called as a debatable ending for that season.
That season with an incredible competition between Verstappen and Hamilton until the last moments of the season was really amazing. FIA made a very huge mistake there as well about safety car rules though. But we can't bring back that time unfortunately. It is always going to be called as a debatable ending for that season.
June 19, 2023, 06:00:56 AM
How it's different from last year when there was no doubts about Verstappen title in the middle of summer? And in over 20 last years probably more than half seasons there was one dominating guy -Schumacher in Ferrari, Vettel in Red Bull, Hamilton in Mercedes and now Verstappen. One team dominance isn't good for F1, but it's such reality.
I'm talking about 2021, the last championship where the champion is determined in the last race. With the hype at the time, more and more new viewers joined the Formula 1 world, but when they saw the races they were watching now, they gradually left Formula 1 again. As long as it's not competitive, there is no point in watching. Unless the FIA can find a solution to this, F1 will continue to be stuck in a narrow space where the rich go to see each other.
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