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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 11, 2023, 05:47:29 PM

Another easy win for Bagnaia.
He should have 50 more points on the leaderboard so far but he did a lot of mistakes when he was leading.

I think this year he will have an easy job for the title...

Some weeks I didn't follow a Moto GP race. It seems that Ducati is still dominating. Looking at today's provisional rankings there are three Ducati riders in the top. Honda, Yamaha still seem to struggle to compete with them. In fact, it seems that only KTM is able to keep up with the speed of Ducati. Maybe this season Honda and Yamaha will find it difficult to compete. It looks like they are not serious about developing their bike for this season. I think Ducati will still get the constructors' championship and keep the championship this season.

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I think Hamilton can't because Mercedes just doesn't have the car for it and doesn't look like they are getting any closer neither. The question right now is how many more races will Max win, that's it. I think we need to wait out another season, this season is already over, and it is going to be him winning it. I think the biggest chance is by 2026, because that year is the time almost all regulations are gone and new ones will be installed and the cars will be quite difficult to adjust.

So, we could literally see Mercedes and Red Bull be the slowest cars, to be fair that's unlikely but in theory that's possible because they will build cars from scratch. If the teams are working on building a good one for that year, Max could become not so great at all anymore.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 11, 2023, 12:39:06 PM

Bagnaia and also Ducati dominated the whole weekend, Marc Marquez crashed again. You have to admit, luckily Bagnaia also crashed once in a while, otherwise the world championship would be pretty boring.

The world championship will not be boring, especially championships like MotoGP as long as in each race there can be constant competition. Likewise with the points in the standings and this week MotoGp will immediately return to the German circuit which is a circuit that suits Marquez very well and also with Honda although I hope that there will be a new winner there this weekend.

Quote from: swogerino on June 11, 2023, 01:00:38 PM

It looks like Ducati will be winning again this MotoGP season and I think they have worked really hard to achieve such performances.They usually were focusing in the main straights and top speed before and they rarely won Championships with this type of approach and when they did it was always because of the skill of the rider like the example of Casey Stoner as the only rider who could win races with Ducati.

Apart from Casey Stoner who was able to become a champion with a Ducati motorbike in 2007, last year there was already one more name who was also able to become a champion with a Ducati motorbike, namely Francesco Bagnaia who this year is also still competing fiercely in every race and this will continue happened this season including in the German series this weekend.

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Now they are dominating completely in every single inch of the track.It is a shame for Honda and Yamaha who are left behind and this is very well demonstrated by Marc Marquez who keeps crashing because he want to get the maximum from his bike but Honda is not responding to his riding skills.

Honda and Yamaha did not develop as expected, so the two Asian manufacturers were unable to compete fiercely with European manufacturers such as Ducati, Aprilia and KTM. And not only is Marc Marquez continuing to slump at the moment, but Fabio Quartararo is also still slumping at the moment because there is no better development on their bike.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on June 12, 2023, 01:07:34 PM

The Red Bull automobile's formidable prowess has certainly forced Mercedes into a chase. Nonetheless, let's remember the multitude of talents lining the grid, which due to a lack of sufficiently equipped vehicles, remain underexplored. Ponder this, with an optimum automobile, Alonso, Perez, and others could stand neck-and-neck with Verstappen. Hamilton and Verstappen are undoubtedly proficient drivers, yet we shouldn't overlook other skilled contenders. Much like a prudently biding pack of wolves, they merely require the right juncture to leap into action! Is the prospect of a sequel to the Hamilton versus Verstappen duel truly desirable?

It's just that at this point in time it is Verstappen and Hamilton who are the characters on whom the imaginary power lines that can be drawn in relation to Formula 1 are focused. To a greater extent, this applies to Verstappen, to a lesser extent to Hamilton, due to the fact that Mercedes is not as competitive as before.

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Impressive win for Ferrari at le Mans.
After 50 years they went here and in the 1st race, they won.

It could even be a 1-2 for them but the second car got a problem with debris.

The monopoly of Toyota has been closed

It is great to see Ferrari win Le Mans again after so many years,it took exactly 50 years for them to get to win this prestigious race.Toyota is still the one to beat though,they can't win every single race but I am sure they will be back again,rarely the Japanese fail in Motorsport,we have seen Honda that is powering Redbull and being ahead of every other engine producer,so the Japanese are tough to beat and when you beat them it gives you a feeling of glory,a well deserved glory for Ferrari after so many years without Le Mans glory and Ferrari is a maker of legendary cars so when they win this prestigious race it is even better for their brand.

I never thought Ferrari will snatch the title from Toyota. Those guys at Toyota Gazoo Racing know how to handle their cars well and how to tune their cars for this endurance race. Ferrari did a great job this year, and I'm looking forward to them staying at this level for the next 24-hour race, though we all know that the Japs will surely come back from this and try to get the next title. It's true that the Japanese are excelling in automotive sports lately, specially on the manufacturer side of things. The Westerners can come close, though not surpass Japanese tuning.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 11, 2023, 12:56:17 PM

Impressive win for Ferrari at le Mans.
After 50 years they went here and in the 1st race, they won.

It could even be a 1-2 for them but the second car got a problem with debris.

The monopoly of Toyota has been closed

It is great to see Ferrari win Le Mans again after so many years,it took exactly 50 years for them to get to win this prestigious race.Toyota is still the one to beat though,they can't win every single race but I am sure they will be back again,rarely the Japanese fail in Motorsport,we have seen Honda that is powering Redbull and being ahead of every other engine producer,so the Japanese are tough to beat and when you beat them it gives you a feeling of glory,a well deserved glory for Ferrari after so many years without Le Mans glory and Ferrari is a maker of legendary cars so when they win this prestigious race it is even better for their brand.

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Who is actually going to stop Verstappen in the future? Last season was of little use, and this season has never been exciting, has it? Maybe we should hope for a resurrection of Mercedes who might open the box of tricks somewhere and make the battle for the championship exciting again? In terms of technique it is of course nice to watch Verstappen, he gives it his all every race, but the best battle was the last race in the championship 2 seasons ago. Then the championship was decided in the last race.

I'm still saying Hamilton as an answer to that question. Because the only reason why there is no competition between these drivers from now on is the huge gap between the cars. Red Bull have got far ahead of Mercedes and Mercedes are newly trying to close this gap slowly. The same thing happened to Verstappen in the past seasons as well.

That season with a legendary competition between Verstappen and Hamilton was amazing. Mercedes need to develop their car to that level and it should be enough for a fair competition. Hamilton and Verstappen are the most skilled drivers on the grid right now so I don't see any other driver who can compete with Verstappen as much as Hamilton.

The Red Bull automobile's formidable prowess has certainly forced Mercedes into a chase. Nonetheless, let's remember the multitude of talents lining the grid, which due to a lack of sufficiently equipped vehicles, remain underexplored. Ponder this, with an optimum automobile, Alonso, Perez, and others could stand neck-and-neck with Verstappen. Hamilton and Verstappen are undoubtedly proficient drivers, yet we shouldn't overlook other skilled contenders. Much like a prudently biding pack of wolves, they merely require the right juncture to leap into action! Is the prospect of a sequel to the Hamilton versus Verstappen duel truly desirable?

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 11, 2023, 12:56:17 PM

Impressive win for Ferrari at le Mans.
After 50 years they went here and in the 1st race, they won.

It's actually surprising (I just saw the film LeMans66 this weekend) that Ferrari couldn't win for so long, unbelievable.

As an Austrian I can say that the last Ferrari winner 50 years ago was the Austrian Jochen Rindt. Congratulations to Ferrari for winning the 100 years LeMans race after the last victory 50 years ago.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 12, 2023, 05:31:13 AM

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Who is actually going to stop Verstappen in the future? Last season was of little use, and this season has never been exciting, has it? Maybe we should hope for a resurrection of Mercedes who might open the box of tricks somewhere and make the battle for the championship exciting again? In terms of technique it is of course nice to watch Verstappen, he gives it his all every race, but the best battle was the last race in the championship 2 seasons ago. Then the championship was decided in the last race.

I'm still saying Hamilton as an answer to that question. Because the only reason why there is no competition between these drivers from now on is the huge gap between the cars. Red Bull have got far ahead of Mercedes and Mercedes are newly trying to close this gap slowly. The same thing happened to Verstappen in the past seasons as well.

That season with a legendary competition between Verstappen and Hamilton was amazing. Mercedes need to develop their car to that level and it should be enough for a fair competition. Hamilton and Verstappen are the most skilled drivers on the grid right now so I don't see any other driver who can compete with Verstappen as much as Hamilton.

I think there are enough good drivers there that given a great car can fight Verstappen at least in the same level of performance of Hamilton and I would keep in this list,Leclerc,Sainz,Russell,Alonso and Perez,they just don't have a winning car except the case of Perez as I don't know why he must suffer the complex of inferiority against Verstappen,probably because the team does not support him as much as they do with Verstappen.

Nevertheless we need a team capable of performing not the same as Redbull,even a bit less but to be near them and it is up to the drivers then to show their skills in beating Redbull even with not the best car,we had the McLaren 1998-2000 era where they beat Ferrari even being the second best car thanks to Mikka Hakkinen.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on June 11, 2023, 12:57:42 PM

Who is actually going to stop Verstappen in the future? Last season was of little use, and this season has never been exciting, has it? Maybe we should hope for a resurrection of Mercedes who might open the box of tricks somewhere and make the battle for the championship exciting again? In terms of technique it is of course nice to watch Verstappen, he gives it his all every race, but the best battle was the last race in the championship 2 seasons ago. Then the championship was decided in the last race.

I'm still saying Hamilton as an answer to that question. Because the only reason why there is no competition between these drivers from now on is the huge gap between the cars. Red Bull have got far ahead of Mercedes and Mercedes are newly trying to close this gap slowly. The same thing happened to Verstappen in the past seasons as well.

That season with a legendary competition between Verstappen and Hamilton was amazing. Mercedes need to develop their car to that level and it should be enough for a fair competition. Hamilton and Verstappen are the most skilled drivers on the grid right now so I don't see any other driver who can compete with Verstappen as much as Hamilton.

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Who is actually going to stop Verstappen in the future? Last season was of little use, and this season has never been exciting, has it? Maybe we should hope for a resurrection of Mercedes who might open the box of tricks somewhere and make the battle for the championship exciting again? In terms of technique it is of course nice to watch Verstappen, he gives it his all every race, but the best battle was the last race in the championship 2 seasons ago. Then the championship was decided in the last race.

So far no potential drivers have caught up with Verstappen and his car. Even drivers of the class Alonso and Hamilton couldn't catch up to him. He and his car are so fast, even the other team is frustrated enough to catch up to him. It seems that the history of SCHUMACHER and Ferrari will repeat itself for Verstappen and RBR in the current season and the next few seasons, but for sure it will end but no one knows when LOL.

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Another easy win for Bagnaia.
He should have 50 more points on the leaderboard so far but he did a lot of mistakes when he was leading.

I think this year he will have an easy job for the title...

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Quote from: Davian144 on June 11, 2023, 05:14:36 AM

Today the MotoGP Mugello Race will be held again in fairly good conditions. Yesterday I watched the qualification and also the Sprint Race where Bagnaia, who was completely untouched by other riders after being overtaken by Jorge Martin, who not so long ago was immediately taken over by Bagnaia so that Bagnaia won the Sprint Race yesterday and was also joined by Marco Bezzecchi finished second and Jorge Martin completed third.

Today the weather was quite good and the race will definitely be very exciting even though there were two riders who did not participate in the race today, namely Alex Rins from LCR Honda and also Joan Mir from the Repsol Honda team. Both of them suffered injuries so they had to miss today's race, but the injury experienced by Alex Rins seems to be slightly more severe than that experienced by Joan Mir. This is a very ugly fact that has to be accepted by Honda in general.

For fans of MotoGP today is a highly anticipated day because the Mugello Race will take place in good weather. The Sprint Race and Qualification from yesterday were exciting with Bagnaia showcasing outstanding talent. Jorge Martin briefly overtook Bagnaia but Bagnaia immediately reclaimed the lead and won the Sprint Race. Jorge Martin came in third while Marco Bezzecchi took second.

Regarding today race the conditions are still favourable ensuring an interesting spectacle. But it is sad that two riders LCR Honda Alex Rins and the Repsol Honda team Joan Mir are not competing. Although Alex Rins injury seems to be more serious both riders were hurt and are unable to compete today. Honda has a difficult truth that they need to acknowledge. In spite of this supporters. Fans though are looking forward to the race and expect another exhilarating exhibition of MotoGP skill.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 05, 2023, 06:28:23 AM

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Next stop for F1 ; Canada.

A lovely track with awesome track history during the years but I really hoping to see a new winner because if we continue to see Max dominating like this , it will only make the situation worse for neutral F1 fans but it will also remind us of how dominant Michael was in 2003 with his Ferrari. Now , I don't think he will witness Redbull winning all the races but there are big chances that they will win 85% of the remaining races.

I think that this track is the one where we should least expect a different winner other than Redbull,it is a track which has it all,great turns which put a lot of test in the aerodynamics and it is exactly in these turns that the difference is made through the lap as in the big straights there is not a lot of difference between the top teams.Again here DRS plays an important role and overtaking is guaranteed here,I only hope that this track is more gentle to the tires as the turns here are only a few compared to Spain GP and this can make a whole lot difference in the developing of the race.

Ahh man , I really hope this will not be the case because this season looks more and more familiar with 2004 Ferrari with Michael on board and I remember watching it as a kid and it was a real pain to watch every race with Ferrari on 1st place and with my boy Kimi having engine failures one after another. Cry

Canada proved over the years that no matter how good you are and no matter how powerful the car is , this track won't forgive anyone and I would also assume this race will be chaos in track because for now , the fact that we barely had any crashes or safety cars made the season even more boring so yea , I expect dnf's , safety car and a new winner.

Then , yet again , I've said this over the last 2 races and nothing happened ...like it seems all the drivers are way more focused on a clean race instead of racing and I really don't enjoy to watch a race like that where drivers are way more concerned about the car and not to crash it because of the budget cap but come on ...F1 is all about racing and not full management of the car during the race.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 11, 2023, 12:39:06 PM

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Ducati no longer has difficulties in entering and exiting fast corners and slow corners, because the Ducati factory has handled this in recent years so it makes sense that in today's race Ducati will have more of an advantage to win, especially for the home riders like Bezzecchi and also Bagnaia because they do have an advantage here, because Mugello is the home of Ducati.

Bagnaia and also Ducati dominated the whole weekend, Marc Marquez crashed again. You have to admit, luckily Bagnaia also crashed once in a while, otherwise the world championship would be pretty boring.

Ducati has improved in all aspects over the last few years, and they still have the most powerful engine, they don't change too much as in previous years, but improve the weaknesses.

It looks like Ducati will be winning again this MotoGP season and I think they have worked really hard to achieve such performances.They usually were focusing in the main straights and top speed before and they rarely won Championships with this type of approach and when they did it was always because of the skill of the rider like the example of Casey Stoner as the only rider who could win races with Ducati.

Now they are dominating completely in every single inch of the track.It is a shame for Honda and Yamaha who are left behind and this is very well demonstrated by Marc Marquez who keeps crashing because he want to get the maximum from his bike but Honda is not responding to his riding skills.

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Who is actually going to stop Verstappen in the future? Last season was of little use, and this season has never been exciting, has it? Maybe we should hope for a resurrection of Mercedes who might open the box of tricks somewhere and make the battle for the championship exciting again? In terms of technique it is of course nice to watch Verstappen, he gives it his all every race, but the best battle was the last race in the championship 2 seasons ago. Then the championship was decided in the last race.

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Impressive win for Ferrari at le Mans.
After 50 years they went here and in the 1st race, they won.

It could even be a 1-2 for them but the second car got a problem with debris.

The monopoly of Toyota has been closed

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Quote from: Davian144 on June 11, 2023, 06:26:14 AM

Ducati no longer has difficulties in entering and exiting fast corners and slow corners, because the Ducati factory has handled this in recent years so it makes sense that in today's race Ducati will have more of an advantage to win, especially for the home riders like Bezzecchi and also Bagnaia because they do have an advantage here, because Mugello is the home of Ducati.

Bagnaia and also Ducati dominated the whole weekend, Marc Marquez crashed again. You have to admit, luckily Bagnaia also crashed once in a while, otherwise the world championship would be pretty boring.

Ducati has improved in all aspects over the last few years, and they still have the most powerful engine, they don't change too much as in previous years, but improve the weaknesses.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 11, 2023, 05:31:52 AM

Mugello has always been a great race and I hopefully will have a chance to see the race today as I always am busy waiting to watch F1 that I almost always forget that there is also MotoGP which honestly is a much more competitive Championship and it has always been so I wonder why the less viewers here historically,must be that most people love cards compared to bikes.

I don't know why so few viewers have liked MotoGP since the retirement of Valentino Rossi, but to be honest, for a MotoGP race at Mugello, there will always be fun to watch. Especially on this day Luca Marini benefited by dropping three grids for Alex Marquez so that Luca Marini will immediately be in third place today because previously he was in fourth place after his record time was restored in yesterday's qualifying.

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In Mugello we have always seen a lot of overtaking and it has also one of the big straights after Barcelona so Ducati should be favored here also in that part of the track but I don't know if Ducati has improved dramatically in technical turns which Mugello has a lot of them so it would be nice to check it,Bezzechi did an awesome race last time in Le Mans so looking forward to see if he can manage to get the 1st place of the standings.

Ducati no longer has difficulties in entering and exiting fast corners and slow corners, because the Ducati factory has handled this in recent years so it makes sense that in today's race Ducati will have more of an advantage to win, especially for the home riders like Bezzecchi and also Bagnaia because they do have an advantage here, because Mugello is the home of Ducati.

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Quote from: Davian144 on June 11, 2023, 05:14:36 AM

Today the MotoGP Mugello Race will be held again in fairly good conditions. Yesterday I watched the qualification and also the Sprint Race where Bagnaia, who was completely untouched by other riders after being overtaken by Jorge Martin, who not so long ago was immediately taken over by Bagnaia so that Bagnaia won the Sprint Race yesterday and was also joined by Marco Bezzecchi finished second and Jorge Martin completed third.

Today the weather was quite good and the race will definitely be very exciting even though there were two riders who did not participate in the race today, namely Alex Rins from LCR Honda and also Joan Mir from the Repsol Honda team. Both of them suffered injuries so they had to miss today's race, but the injury experienced by Alex Rins seems to be slightly more severe than that experienced by Joan Mir. This is a very ugly fact that has to be accepted by Honda in general.

Mugello has always been a great race and I hopefully will have a chance to see the race today as I always am busy waiting to watch F1 that I almost always forget that there is also MotoGP which honestly is a much more competitive Championship and it has always been so I wonder why the less viewers here historically,must be that most people love cards compared to bikes.

In Mugello we have always seen a lot of overtaking and it has also one of the big straights after Barcelona so Ducati should be favored here also in that part of the track but I don't know if Ducati has improved dramatically in technical turns which Mugello has a lot of them so it would be nice to check it,Bezzechi did an awesome race last time in Le Mans so looking forward to see if he can manage to get the 1st place of the standings.

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