we got a drop of rain in the night but the track is dry now.
Also small probability of rain during the race with high-speed wind.
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May 07, 2023, 02:26:59 PM
May 07, 2023, 01:58:49 PM
Even Verstappen made a statement like he aimed the second place during this race after having a poor qualifying session for himself. But Verstappen is still a very ambitious driver so he would do his best for the win anyway. In the end there is no meaning in his letting Perez win without competing hard with him now. Perez is right behind him in driver standings and winning this race will carry him to the lead also.
The weather conditions are also an issue of concern here. Because there have been some rain during the day in Miami. If the track doesn't dry until the race starts then the race can get pretty interesting. This can even be an opportunity for other drivers from different teams to have a much better finish. For example who knows it might even be an opportunity for Alonso to win a race as he is starting in second place already.
The weather conditions are also an issue of concern here. Because there have been some rain during the day in Miami. If the track doesn't dry until the race starts then the race can get pretty interesting. This can even be an opportunity for other drivers from different teams to have a much better finish. For example who knows it might even be an opportunity for Alonso to win a race as he is starting in second place already.
The weather conditions is what made me place a funny bet on both McLaren cars to be in the Top 6 at the odd of 101,I just placed some cents in this to add to the emotion of the race,I also bet a couple of other bets like Stroll in top 6 and then in top 8 because I believe Stroll to do a great race as I am assuming he will be starting with hard tires and to be driving a long time without the pit stop and who knows what happens with the safety car and the rain predicted.
For the race winner I have no doubts it will be Perez as long as we are racing in normal conditions but since most likely we are not going to have normal conditions because of the weather I think that this race is a gamble and a lottery and can be anyone win here.
May 07, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Even Verstappen made a statement like he aimed the second place during this race after having a poor qualifying session for himself. But Verstappen is still a very ambitious driver so he would do his best for the win anyway. In the end there is no meaning in his letting Perez win without competing hard with him now. Perez is right behind him in driver standings and winning this race will carry him to the lead also.
The weather conditions are also an issue of concern here. Because there have been some rain during the day in Miami. If the track doesn't dry until the race starts then the race can get pretty interesting. This can even be an opportunity for other drivers from different teams to have a much better finish. For example who knows it might even be an opportunity for Alonso to win a race as he is starting in second place already.
The weather conditions are also an issue of concern here. Because there have been some rain during the day in Miami. If the track doesn't dry until the race starts then the race can get pretty interesting. This can even be an opportunity for other drivers from different teams to have a much better finish. For example who knows it might even be an opportunity for Alonso to win a race as he is starting in second place already.
May 07, 2023, 01:23:49 PM
Verstappen will be very disappointed with yesterday's qualifying. Without his fault he can now start in 9th place. That's the risk of going out so late to set up a lap. If there is a yellow flag or a red flag 2 minutes before time, you are done and you have no time at all. In that respect, Red Bull did a clumsy job. If Verstappen were allowed to drive, he would undoubtedly have finished first, because he was by far the fastest of everyone all weekend. An ideal opportunity for Perez to win the F1 race again. And maybe seriously compete for the World Cup title?
May 07, 2023, 11:37:29 AM
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Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
Verstappen's chances of winning in the upcoming races appear to be quite slim, considering that he started from 9th and above him there are Alonso and Sainz, who have a much better chance than him. Instead, I'm more interested in seeing how Verstappen from 9th place can compete against Russell, where in the last race he was quite angry with Russell for being too aggressive. I want to see how they overtake each other and show who is the best.
May 07, 2023, 11:11:03 AM
As long as Ferrari keeps them coming and as long as the distance of just 0.300 is real also in the race distance and not for a single lap we may have a Championship open again.I would love to see the massive upgrades which should come to at least since the Monaco track of F1 from Ferrari but in that track probably we won't notice them as it is a really slow track so most likely after that track we would see some nice upgrades to this Ferrari which seems to have picked up pace.
Miami is a nice track but seeing Verstappen and his driving skills I doubt anyone else except him will win this race unless he has some mechanical or electrical failure.
I think the issue was never the car difference, car difference is low enough that whenever Red Bull has an issue, Ferrari could win and they would be getting more points. Even in a situation where one of the Red Bull cars finish first, if Ferrari could finish second and third together, then they would get more points and that's good enough.Miami is a nice track but seeing Verstappen and his driving skills I doubt anyone else except him will win this race unless he has some mechanical or electrical failure.
The issue here is that we are talking about a team that constantly ends up being the one that loses points, look at Australia as the biggest example, the whole team got zero points, and they had one of their worst starts ever in the first three races. So the issue is not the car speed, obviously do get faster if you can, but try to finish races without issues is their biggest weapon, Red Bull is amazing at that.
May 07, 2023, 10:30:54 AM
After getting angry at Russell in the Azerbaijan GP this time Verstappen must be really frustrated after Leclerc's simple mistake and having an accident after. Leclerc also stated that he was so sad about making this mistake twice on the same race week. Perez has a good opportunity in hand as a result but let's see how effectively he will use it. He was pretty impressive in the previous race.
Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
To try to lessen this guilt from Leclerc, RedBull boss Christian Horner declared that Verstappen and Leclerc's mistakes were caused by gusts of wind
It was unfortunate to see Verstappen start only in ninth place because, on top of that, he aborted his first attempt in Q3 because of a slip he had.
I understand F1's safety rules, but I keep asking myself if it was really so necessary to interrupt practice with only 2 minutes left and LecLerc's car stopped several meters from the track. I think they could have followed normally until the end, or does anyone disagree?
Absolutely not.There was no reason to stop the Q3 to not start again,for me it should not have stopped at all but since they put a Red flag they should have started or better restarted the Q3 as there were 1.38 minutes,enough for every car to come out and try one final lap for those that still could.I understand that Leclerc could not but I am sure Verstappen were ready and a lot of other drivers were waiting to improve themselves because the track conditions as we saw throughout the whole qualification kept improving so F1 safety rules are becoming a joke,a real bad joke for me.
May 07, 2023, 09:59:41 AM
After getting angry at Russell in the Azerbaijan GP this time Verstappen must be really frustrated after Leclerc's simple mistake and having an accident after. Leclerc also stated that he was so sad about making this mistake twice on the same race week. Perez has a good opportunity in hand as a result but let's see how effectively he will use it. He was pretty impressive in the previous race.
Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
To try to lessen this guilt from Leclerc, RedBull boss Christian Horner declared that Verstappen and Leclerc's mistakes were caused by gusts of wind
It was unfortunate to see Verstappen start only in ninth place because, on top of that, he aborted his first attempt in Q3 because of a slip he had.
I understand F1's safety rules, but I keep asking myself if it was really so necessary to interrupt practice with only 2 minutes left and LecLerc's car stopped several meters from the track. I think they could have followed normally until the end, or does anyone disagree?
May 07, 2023, 07:30:31 AM
After getting angry at Russell in the Azerbaijan GP this time Verstappen must be really frustrated after Leclerc's simple mistake and having an accident after. Leclerc also stated that he was so sad about making this mistake twice on the same race week. Perez has a good opportunity in hand as a result but let's see how effectively he will use it. He was pretty impressive in the previous race.
Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.
May 07, 2023, 07:19:04 AM
It could be probably and easy pole for Max but he got the Leclerc accident and he could not complete the lap.
The dream for Perez continues.
Verstappen was pissed at Leclerc, so Verstappen didn't make the time. It's good for Perez, of course, so the win should be possible for him today. Or could Alonso possibly pull off the big coup and win this weekend?
For Verstappen it will be very difficult to win the race, my tip for the race was actually Verstappen, Leclerc and Perez... That's probably not going to happen.
May 06, 2023, 06:10:35 PM
We seriously need to revamp the whole " someone crashed so we have to stop" thing. I mean I get it, we are talking about something that should exist in the first place. Just like other rounds and sometimes practice, hold the time, restart after everything is clear. This is why we should be considering this method we should restart it so everyone can race to their deserved place. In any case we may keep it this way so that we could just have more fun as well, think about it Max started like this recently as well, forgot which race it was but he did start one like this as well and he ended up bening second like by lap 25. So he could end up being at high level easily very well but this will help Perez a lot and should be considering that as a good thing for sure.
Rules are rules, it didn't happened fo the first time, but indeed, such ending of qualification is awkward indeed. I think it's time to change this rule. Though, now we can expect very interesting race, Perez have great chance to win another race and make some pressure on Verstappen. While Verstappen may have difficult time to go from P9 up. May 06, 2023, 06:05:28 PM
We seriously need to revamp the whole " someone crashed so we have to stop" thing. I mean I get it, we are talking about something that should exist in the first place.
Yeah but how?
In some categories, the following rule exists.
If you are causing flags when the others are pushing you will be penalized.
But this does not fix the problem, since if you crash the qualify needs to stop/slowed done for safety.
May 06, 2023, 04:52:21 PM
It was a really awkward ending to the qualifying session. Leclerc made the same mistake at the same turn once again. It is unbelievable! I waited for him to have learned from his mistake in practice session. I wonder if he has some concentration problems on this week. Because concentration is really everything while driving an F1 car. Even a minor attention deficit can cause crashes like this one happened.
It helped Perez a lot of course. There wasn't much time left for preparing for a new lap attempt so it was the right decision by FIA to finish the session there. Verstappen couldn't even have a lap attempt which must have been really frustrating for him. He is starting at the 9th position tomorrow as it seems. But I don't doubt that he will climb the positions and enter a race for the win with Perez anyway.
It helped Perez a lot of course. There wasn't much time left for preparing for a new lap attempt so it was the right decision by FIA to finish the session there. Verstappen couldn't even have a lap attempt which must have been really frustrating for him. He is starting at the 9th position tomorrow as it seems. But I don't doubt that he will climb the positions and enter a race for the win with Perez anyway.
May 06, 2023, 04:49:41 PM
We seriously need to revamp the whole " someone crashed so we have to stop" thing. I mean I get it, we are talking about something that should exist in the first place. Just like other rounds and sometimes practice, hold the time, restart after everything is clear. This is why we should be considering this method we should restart it so everyone can race to their deserved place. In any case we may keep it this way so that we could just have more fun as well, think about it Max started like this recently as well, forgot which race it was but he did start one like this as well and he ended up bening second like by lap 25. So he could end up being at high level easily very well but this will help Perez a lot and should be considering that as a good thing for sure.
May 06, 2023, 04:39:20 PM
Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Bull Racing 1m27.713s 1m27.328s 1m26.841s
2 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.179s 1m27.097s 1m27.202s
3 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1m27.686s 1m27.148s 1m27.349s
4 Kevin Magnussen DEN MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m27.809s 1m27.673s 1m27.767s
5 Pierre Gasly FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.061s 1m27.612s 1m27.786s
6 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.086s 1m27.743s 1m27.804s
7 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1m27.713s 1m26.964s 1m27.861s
8 Esteban Ocon FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m27.872s 1m27.444s 1m27.935s
9 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 1m27.363s 1m26.814s No Time Set
10 Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m27.864s 1m27.564s No Time Set
It could be probably and easy pole for Max but he got the Leclerc accident and he could not complete the lap.
Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1025729/1/f1-2023-miami-grand-prix-full-qualifying-results
Also Hamilton out of the top 10.
The dream for Perez continues.
2 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.179s 1m27.097s 1m27.202s
3 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1m27.686s 1m27.148s 1m27.349s
4 Kevin Magnussen DEN MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m27.809s 1m27.673s 1m27.767s
5 Pierre Gasly FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.061s 1m27.612s 1m27.786s
6 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.086s 1m27.743s 1m27.804s
7 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1m27.713s 1m26.964s 1m27.861s
8 Esteban Ocon FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m27.872s 1m27.444s 1m27.935s
9 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 1m27.363s 1m26.814s No Time Set
10 Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m27.864s 1m27.564s No Time Set
It could be probably and easy pole for Max but he got the Leclerc accident and he could not complete the lap.
Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1025729/1/f1-2023-miami-grand-prix-full-qualifying-results
Also Hamilton out of the top 10.
The dream for Perez continues.
May 06, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
Worst ever qualifying on US soil for Lewis Hamilton which is out of Q2 now and is 13th on the grid for tomorrow race.His team mate made it to the top ten being last there and Alfa Romeo made it to Q3 for the first time during this season.It is a strange track this one in Miami as the track conditions changed a lot during Q1 and Q2 and even drivers we are not used to see in top 10 there are a lot of them in Q3 now from not the greatest teams.
The only one who looks to not care much about track conditions is Verstappen which is doing fastest laps even when he comes out first of the pits and even when he comes in the last 2 minutes,Leclerc seems to have found pace,it looks interesting for tomorrow race no matter what happens in this final session of the official qualifying.
The only one who looks to not care much about track conditions is Verstappen which is doing fastest laps even when he comes out first of the pits and even when he comes in the last 2 minutes,Leclerc seems to have found pace,it looks interesting for tomorrow race no matter what happens in this final session of the official qualifying.
May 06, 2023, 12:54:44 PM
1 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 1m27.535s
2 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1m27.941s
3 Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Bull Racing 1m28.050s
4 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1m28.125s
5 Esteban Ocon FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.407s
6 Pierre Gasly FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.428s
7 Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m28.456s
8 Nico Hulkenberg GER MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m28.497s
9 Alex Albon THA Williams Racing 1m28.561s
10 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.606s
11 Kevin Magnussen DEN MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m28.607s
12 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.618s
13 Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.718s
14 Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.723s
15 Zhou Guanyu CHN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m29.074s
16 Yuki Tsunoda JPN Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.179s
17 Logan Sargeant USA Williams Racing 1m29.264s
18 Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren F1 Team 1m29.375s
19 Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1m29.401s
20 Nyck de Vries NED Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.447s
Results of the hour, it seems an easy pole for Verstappen.
Qualy in few hours: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1025677/1/f1-2023-miami-grand-prix-final-practice-results
2 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1m27.941s
3 Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Bull Racing 1m28.050s
4 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1m28.125s
5 Esteban Ocon FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.407s
6 Pierre Gasly FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.428s
7 Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m28.456s
8 Nico Hulkenberg GER MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m28.497s
9 Alex Albon THA Williams Racing 1m28.561s
10 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.606s
11 Kevin Magnussen DEN MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m28.607s
12 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.618s
13 Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.718s
14 Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.723s
15 Zhou Guanyu CHN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m29.074s
16 Yuki Tsunoda JPN Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.179s
17 Logan Sargeant USA Williams Racing 1m29.264s
18 Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren F1 Team 1m29.375s
19 Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1m29.401s
20 Nyck de Vries NED Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.447s
Results of the hour, it seems an easy pole for Verstappen.
Qualy in few hours: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1025677/1/f1-2023-miami-grand-prix-final-practice-results
May 06, 2023, 06:47:47 AM
It is good to see some improvement from Ferrari drivers in the second practice session. I would like to see Leclerc and Sainz both having decent results in this race. Ferrari have been able to collect quite few points compared to their rivals so far. There is a big difference between the previous season and this one right now. The Azerbaijan GP was a start at least as Leclerc was on podium.
But they still need some consistency. Here the track condition will also be important for Ferrari. Because they aren't the best about tyre saving under a very hot weather for example.
But they still need some consistency. Here the track condition will also be important for Ferrari. Because they aren't the best about tyre saving under a very hot weather for example.
May 06, 2023, 06:25:36 AM
I would like to see that updates that Ferrari brought work and that they will be closer in race. They have good qual tempo, they just need to improve in race and tire degradation. If they can fix that in next couple of races we can have maybe a fight for championship.
May 06, 2023, 03:18:26 AM
Pos Driver Nat. Team Time
1 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 1m27.930s
2 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1m28.315s
3 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1m28.398s
4 Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Bull Racing 1m28.419s
5 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.660s
6 Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1m28.741s
7 Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.858s
8 Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.930s
9 Esteban Ocon FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.937s
10 Alex Albon THA Williams Racing 1m29.048s
11 Pierre Gasly FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m29.098s
12 Kevin Magnussen DEN MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m29.171s
13 Zhou Guanyu CHN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m29.181s
14 Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m29.189s
15 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m29.216s
16 Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren F1 Team 1m29.339s
17 Nico Hulkenberg GER MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m29.393s
18 Yuki Tsunoda JPN Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.613s
19 Nyck de Vries NED Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.928s
20 Logan Sargeant USA Williams Racing 1m30.038s
As predicted the track improved a lot and it will improve again more since they have a new asphalt.
Ferrari improvements seems to be real
Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1025579/1/f1-2023-miami-grand-prix-friday-practice-results
1 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 1m27.930s
2 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1m28.315s
3 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1m28.398s
4 Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Bull Racing 1m28.419s
5 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.660s
6 Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1m28.741s
7 Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m28.858s
8 Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m28.930s
9 Esteban Ocon FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m28.937s
10 Alex Albon THA Williams Racing 1m29.048s
11 Pierre Gasly FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m29.098s
12 Kevin Magnussen DEN MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m29.171s
13 Zhou Guanyu CHN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m29.181s
14 Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m29.189s
15 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m29.216s
16 Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren F1 Team 1m29.339s
17 Nico Hulkenberg GER MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m29.393s
18 Yuki Tsunoda JPN Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.613s
19 Nyck de Vries NED Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m29.928s
20 Logan Sargeant USA Williams Racing 1m30.038s
As predicted the track improved a lot and it will improve again more since they have a new asphalt.
Ferrari improvements seems to be real
Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1025579/1/f1-2023-miami-grand-prix-friday-practice-results
As long as Ferrari keeps them coming and as long as the distance of just 0.300 is real also in the race distance and not for a single lap we may have a Championship open again.I would love to see the massive upgrades which should come to at least since the Monaco track of F1 from Ferrari but in that track probably we won't notice them as it is a really slow track so most likely after that track we would see some nice upgrades to this Ferrari which seems to have picked up pace.
Miami is a nice track but seeing Verstappen and his driving skills I doubt anyone else except him will win this race unless he has some mechanical or electrical failure.
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