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Marko wants Sebastian Vettel back in F1 with a particular role.

He wants him as a leader for the young drivers from the academy.

So in the end Vettel can be back in F1 the following year.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/marko-vettel-red-bull-lauda-ruolo

Vettel is one of the most experienced drivers present. He may not be good enough to take another shot at the world championship, and besides, he doesn't have the car in his team. Maybe it's not a bad idea at all that he will drive as a kind of mentor / supervisor with a team. He has a lot of experience and I think he can also transfer his knowledge to young drivers who still have a lot of experience to gain. He will have to be open to it himself. You say goodbye to the podium chances and you can also put any ambitions on hold.

I think it would serve against the purpose of his retirement though. He didn't retire just because he didn't want to race anymore, he retired because he wanted to spend more time with his family and it is understandable for him to time to time go somewhere, like lets assume he could be there watching the races for all the season, that's like missing 23-24 weekends every year, being out of the house for like 60 days max, meaning being at home for 300 days instead.

That is good and understandable and means he is spending time with his family. But, if he becomes supervisor or something then that means with the travelling and all, he would be out of the house for 300 days and be home for 60, reverse of what he wants.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 30, 2022, 05:14:06 PM

Marko wants Sebastian Vettel back in F1 with a particular role.

He wants him as a leader for the young drivers from the academy.

So in the end Vettel can be back in F1 the following year.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/marko-vettel-red-bull-lauda-ruolo

This would still be really nice of course. He would be a big help for Ferrari to grow very skilled and competitive drivers for the future. As Vettel was a really competitive one he would have a big influence on the young drivers from the academy.

But it would have been even better maybe if he was to be brought to a higher position in the team. I don't know maybe he would have been a good choice for even the team boss. He has such a big experience in Formula 1 with big teams like Ferrari and Red Bull. He has had many championships in his career as well. I just can't think of a better boss than him among the available ones truthfully. Grin

He doesn't have any experience for such job though but still. But I hope that Vasseur still will be a good choice for the team and they will be reborn from their ashes.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 29, 2022, 08:42:02 PM

Hamilton even shared the top of the list of all-time champions along with Michael Schumacher, amos with seven achievements.
Unfortunately in 2021 he tried to lift another trophy in that ′′ fight ′′ he had with Max Verstappen until the last corners, but ended up being overtaken.
And in 2022 he was even among the best, but he is far from getting the best placement in the Drivers' World Championship.

Let's see how it will be in 2023, as Mercedes' promise is a competitive car, and the demonstration of this evolution already at the United States GP, left Hamilton excited for the contract renewal.

Honestly, I can't imagine Hamilton out of F1 for now, this is his place, and he still has many years ahead of him to win another title.

I agree that no racer with that much racing in them should retire, it wouldn't really be fair to their talents and he is still in a good team right now, so he can't be getting bored yet. I think next season Mercedes will have a team that could fight for second place easily, maybe even get it easily, all depends on what's going to happen.

Ferrari changed their TP, which means they might be great too, but Mercedes developed their car very well and reached a good place too. Red Bull was already great, so I doubt that part would change. These three teams and their drivers will decide who will be the champion, and Hamilton could think why not me? And that's normal.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 30, 2022, 05:14:06 PM

Marko wants Sebastian Vettel back in F1 with a particular role.

He wants him as a leader for the young drivers from the academy.

So in the end Vettel can be back in F1 the following year.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/marko-vettel-red-bull-lauda-ruolo

Vettel is one of the most experienced drivers present. He may not be good enough to take another shot at the world championship, and besides, he doesn't have the car in his team. Maybe it's not a bad idea at all that he will drive as a kind of mentor / supervisor with a team. He has a lot of experience and I think he can also transfer his knowledge to young drivers who still have a lot of experience to gain. He will have to be open to it himself. You say goodbye to the podium chances and you can also put any ambitions on hold.

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Marko wants Sebastian Vettel back in F1 with a particular role.

He wants him as a leader for the young drivers from the academy.

So in the end Vettel can be back in F1 the following year.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/marko-vettel-red-bull-lauda-ruolo

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Quote from: Distraction on December 30, 2022, 01:29:46 PM

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Ferarri - Leclerc there will be have 2 scenario:
1. Due to the change of team principal, people, or team hoping we are gonna 2023 season. As long there has some change as well not only on the team principal but also on the team it self (PitCrew + Team Strategy.

2. For this one is adaption style for "Fred Vasseur". If this happening, then Ferarri are not gonna to chase 2023 and could be chasing for 2024 since Vasseur need some adaption how the team work in Ferarri.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 28, 2022, 05:46:49 AM

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

It is of course the truth that Red Bull are in a much better condition than all of the remaining constructors. Mercedes and Ferrari both will need to make an extra effort to get close to their level in terms of car engine especially. If Red Bull maintain their superiority by the start of next season also then Verstappen will be too difficult to be stopped of course. Leclerc will continue to dream of a championship with Ferrari and it will be the same for Hamilton about his 8th title.

However I still think Hamilton will continue to race for a couple more years to get the title. Because Mercedes had a promising car while we were nearly at the end of the season. If they continue on the development and work hard they can prepare a much stronger car for Hamilton to give it a shot.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 30, 2022, 09:52:43 AM

I thought they wanted to close the calendar with Mexico and Las Vegas and I clearly see now that FIA has again changed their mind for something.It is great that we are starting the season early in March but I hope the decisions like that of FIA to change things whenever they see fit do not come through the season which can happen to be devastating to the competition between teams and a killer to it like it was the last year.For this new season I can't wait to see the Las Vegas race which I know for sure it will be the most beautiful to watch just seeing the layout of the track where it will be held in the capital of gambling in the world.

The Gp of 14-16 April is still to be assigned after China forfait.

The biggest candidates are Portugal and Turkey.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 29, 2022, 08:42:02 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on December 28, 2022, 05:46:49 AM

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

Hamilton even shared the top of the list of all-time champions along with Michael Schumacher, amos with seven achievements.
Unfortunately in 2021 he tried to lift another trophy in that ′′ fight ′′ he had with Max Verstappen until the last corners, but ended up being overtaken.
And in 2022 he was even among the best, but he is far from getting the best placement in the Drivers' World Championship.

Let's see how it will be in 2023, as Mercedes' promise is a competitive car, and the demonstration of this evolution already at the United States GP, left Hamilton excited for the contract renewal.

Honestly, I can't imagine Hamilton out of F1 for now, this is his place, and he still has many years ahead of him to win another title.

How long his years remaining would depend on how sharp his reflexes will remain good enough for F1. He's getting a bit old for the sport at 37. He could have around 5 more years or so before his reflexes start doing a cliff dive down. And here's the thing, F1 isn't like any other sport that it would be ok for somebody to compete professionally at 40. In F1, a deteriorating driver could be a danger to all the other drivers.

As for Merc having a competitive car, I'd bet they'll have a better car than Ferrari.

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I thought they wanted to close the calendar with Mexico and Las Vegas and I clearly see now that FIA has again changed their mind for something.It is great that we are starting the season early in March but I hope the decisions like that of FIA to change things whenever they see fit do not come through the season which can happen to be devastating to the competition between teams and a killer to it like it was the last year.For this new season I can't wait to see the Las Vegas race which I know for sure it will be the most beautiful to watch just seeing the layout of the track where it will be held in the capital of gambling in the world.

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Calendario Mondiale F1 2023
Data    Gran Premio    Circuito
3-5 marzo    Bahrain    Sakhir
17-19 marzo    Arabia Saudita    Gedda
30 marzo-2 aprile    Australia    Melbourne
14-16 aprile    Da assegnare    Da assegnare
28-30 aprile    Azerbaijan*    Baku
5-7 maggio    Miami    Miami
19-21 maggio    Emilia Romagna    Imola
26-28 maggio    Monaco    Monte Carlo
4-6 giugno    Spagna    Montmeló
16-18 giugno    Canada    Montréal
30 giugno-2 luglio    Austria*    Spielberg
7-9 luglio    Gran Bretagna    Silverstone
21-23 luglio    Ungheria    Mogyoród
28-30 luglio    Belgio*    Spa-Francorchamps
25-27 agosto    Olanda    Zandvoort
1-3 settembre    Italia    Monza
15-17 settembre    Singapore    Marina Bay
22-24 settembre    Giappone    Suzuka
6-8 ottobre    Qatar*    Lusail
20-22 ottobre    Stati Uniti*    Austin
27-29 ottobre    Città del Messico    Città del Messico
3-5 novembre    San Paolo*    Interlagos
16-18 novembre    Las Vegas    Las Vegas
24-26 novembre    Abu Dhabi    Yas Marina

We are going for 24 races in 2023, some races are not assigned yet but they will be soon.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/calendari/calendario-f1-2023-24-gare-si-inizia-il-5-marzo-programma-date-imola-monza-ferrari

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 28, 2022, 05:46:49 AM

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

Hamilton even shared the top of the list of all-time champions along with Michael Schumacher, amos with seven achievements.
Unfortunately in 2021 he tried to lift another trophy in that ′′ fight ′′ he had with Max Verstappen until the last corners, but ended up being overtaken.
And in 2022 he was even among the best, but he is far from getting the best placement in the Drivers' World Championship.

Let's see how it will be in 2023, as Mercedes' promise is a competitive car, and the demonstration of this evolution already at the United States GP, left Hamilton excited for the contract renewal.

Honestly, I can't imagine Hamilton out of F1 for now, this is his place, and he still has many years ahead of him to win another title.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on December 28, 2022, 05:23:59 PM

He doesn't have to really retire on the high note neither. Previous year is still by far the most entertaining year I can remember in a long time, and to be far we have seen 8 titles from Mercedes in the last 10 years, that should tell you how boring it became. Hamilton and Max going into the last race with equal points was already as rare as it gets, but the race being decided on the very last lap overtake was unique and never seen before I believe. That is why it wasn't for nothing, he had a chance. This year and from now on any year in the future he races doesn't have to be about just winning.

Look at Vettel, dude had 4 in a row, and last year with Aston Martin he just had some fun, it's important to remember that these guys like what they are doing, winning is great, but for most it's better to be the last than not race at all and be at home. When they decide being at home is better, they retire like Vettel did.

The difference between Vettel and Hamilton is that Vettel couldn't bring any glory when he moved to Ferrari, and then of course nothing was the same again. Whereas, Hamilton is just one title away from being the driver with most titles, just ONE title away.

He could have gotten it on that famous last lap, but it didn't and it's time to move on, however if he keeps driving for another 4-5 more seasons, whose to say that he wouldn't be able to get a good car and maybe get a title? Dude worked on experimental cars this year just for this purpose, he knew he couldn't win so he didn't see any reason why he should want the best possible car, hence worked on experiments on the car and got bad results so that he could have a much better potential next season, or even season after that to have just one more win.

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Quote from: koang on December 28, 2022, 03:04:27 AM

Formula 1 enters the second season with its technical rules, and I think something epic will happen in the next season.
There are 23 races currently scheduled, and it will be the longest F1 race to date.
The 2023 season will officially start in Bahrain, but when the team unveiled their car, the truly season has begun.

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

He doesn't have to really retire on the high note neither. Previous year is still by far the most entertaining year I can remember in a long time, and to be far we have seen 8 titles from Mercedes in the last 10 years, that should tell you how boring it became. Hamilton and Max going into the last race with equal points was already as rare as it gets, but the race being decided on the very last lap overtake was unique and never seen before I believe. That is why it wasn't for nothing, he had a chance. This year and from now on any year in the future he races doesn't have to be about just winning.

Look at Vettel, dude had 4 in a row, and last year with Aston Martin he just had some fun, it's important to remember that these guys like what they are doing, winning is great, but for most it's better to be the last than not race at all and be at home. When they decide being at home is better, they retire like Vettel did.

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Alonso says that he enjoyed his time more at Alpine comparing to his experience with McLaren. Alpine were quite competitive from time to time in the latest season. There were times Alonso were able to fight among the drivers who were racing for the biggest teams. Maybe the power of the car wasn't much of a help mostly against them but it was still a good job for him.

Now he seems happy about not being teammate with Ocon from now on. However he shouldn't forget that his new teammate is going to be Stroll. Grin

I still remember Stroll's dangerous defending against his teammate Vettel in the Brazil GP.

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The big change for Moto GP.

From the next season in 2023, the moto will have a real-time check of the pressure of the tires, to avoid "clever" usage of the rule.

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Quote from: Distraction on December 27, 2022, 04:49:45 PM

It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

I'm also waiting for the performance of Mercedes' newest car in the upcoming 2023 season because they say it will come with new DNA. But I'm still not sure that it will come with a better engine than what Red Bull did, especially since Mercedes often has problems on short straights and slow corners. Hopefully, Mercedes has fixed this problem in their latest W14 car.

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Quote from: koang on December 28, 2022, 03:04:27 AM

Quote from: Distraction on December 27, 2022, 04:49:45 PM

It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

Formula 1 enters the second season with its technical rules, and I think something epic will happen in the next season.
There are 23 races currently scheduled, and it will be the longest F1 race to date.
The 2023 season will officially start in Bahrain, but when the team unveiled their car, the truly season has begun.

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 27, 2022, 04:38:43 PM

Full details of MotoGP’s sprint race weekend format revealed
MotoGP alters engine allocation for expanding calendars

In terms of kilometres, it will be similar to 2022 with the sprint races, unless I'm mistaken. 21 races were planned for 2022, but due to the cancellation of the Finnish GP, there were 20 in the end.

It's quite informative, thanks I know a bit more but I'll wait for the regulations that have been decided for the new series later.

Then regarding the Sprint race again, is this due to the presence of an F1 manager in MotoGP? For example Aprilia CEO Massimo Rivola brought engineers from the F1 paddock to the Aprilia project then Yamaha brought in F1 engine head Luca Marmorini to help his bike for 2023.

Source: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-refreshing-f1-link-propelling-one-motogp-team-in-2023/10414800/

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