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Quote from: Distraction on December 27, 2022, 04:49:45 PM

It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

Formula 1 enters the second season with its technical rules, and I think something epic will happen in the next season.
There are 23 races currently scheduled, and it will be the longest F1 race to date.
The 2023 season will officially start in Bahrain, but when the team unveiled their car, the truly season has begun.

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It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

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Quote from: Luzin on December 27, 2022, 08:53:49 AM

There doesn't seem to be a reduction in free practice or anything else? Of course, not only engine racers will also work heavier. The duration will increase half the work of the utma session times the number of series that will take place.
Are there any new regulations regarding the engines that will be used? If it is still the same, of course, it seems difficult to support performing well. At least the regulations may prepare other backup engines or motors more than the previous regulations.

I haven't found any exact information from the Dorna yet, but from Motorsport.com I found the following articles about the sprint races and the engine regulations for 2022, I don't know exactly whether the engine regulations will also apply to 2023, but I think they will very Same than 2022.

Full details of MotoGP’s sprint race weekend format revealed
MotoGP alters engine allocation for expanding calendars

In terms of kilometres, it will be similar to 2022 with the sprint races, unless I'm mistaken. 21 races were planned for 2022, but due to the cancellation of the Finnish GP, there were 20 in the end.

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Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

I don't know if it's still confirmed, but I had read that Ferrari would have an engine with 30 more horsepower for the 2023 Formula 1 season, a result achieved with an "innovative solution" in the design of the unit.
Furthermore, they promised to "attack" and solve the reliability problems that so plagued Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz this last season.

Ferrari's problems arose because they needed to "pump" their engine to the maximum before the blockade that affected all teams, but now, by the rules, they can still make some adjustments to try to solve the problems that remain, and that's what they want extract that extra power.

I still have hope that Ferrari will perform well in 2023, I really root for this team and hope that it can match Mercedes.

Ferrari indeed have the potential to prepare the fastest car on the grid now. This isn't the thing they didn't do before. The beginning of last season was just like that. But we all wonder how consistent they would be later on. Because they gave big hopes to Tifosis after that solid start but disappointed them in a short time after.

This time they could find Mercedes as a very strong opponent in the title race together with Red Bull as well. This would fire up the competition even more so Ferrari don't have the luxury of making big mistakes.

I pretty much doubt Ferrari would have the engine for 30 more horse power. Lol. That's prolly just some journos from somewhere trying to hype the next season and make all the Ferrari fans hopeful. If there's a team that's gonna challenge for a title next season, it's def Mercedes imho. They have the best engineering team in F1. With Ferrari, who's building their car? The guy who built them the best cars resigned. Grin

Anyway... 68 days to go before 'lights out' in Bahrain!

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 27, 2022, 06:31:23 AM

I also think that it will be too exhausting for the riders, there are already more races in the calendar and then also additional sprint races...

The setup of the bike are crucial for the safety of the riders and so there is even less time to find the necessary setup to ride fast and safe, sprint races I see very questionable in MotoGP.

There doesn't seem to be a reduction in free practice or anything else? Of course, not only engine racers will also work heavier. The duration will increase half the work of the utma session times the number of series that will take place.
Are there any new regulations regarding the engines that will be used? If it is still the same, of course, it seems difficult to support performing well. At least the regulations may prepare other backup engines or motors more than the previous regulations.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 26, 2022, 05:01:45 PM

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I would also love to see McLaren being added to the teams who come up with a really good car for the upcoming season and this for a good reason I believe.They have started this upcoming season car development very early in the season we left behind which means they had the most time compared to other teams to build a good fast car for this upcoming season,I believe they were the first team to start already development of this upcoming season in May during the Monaco GP they announced that if I remember correctly.If they don't come up with a good car after so much time to develop the car I think they need to fire quite a lot of staff and bring some new names there.

I really don't know about McLaren. Because they were even worse than the previous season the last time.

There was a huge power loss in the car and this was a big factor holding Norris and Ricciardo back from reaching their potential in the season. To tell the truth, I wasn't expecting much from Ricciardo because he wasn't looking like competitive much. But Norris still tried to do his best with this car. From time to time, he did a good work as well. McLaren will need to work hard on their car now to close up the big gap with the top teams. It won't be easy to do this while they are even weaker but let's see. I hope they use their money more efficiently this time.

They are the first to start the development of this upcoming season car in May 2022 so they had a lot,a ton of time to think,design and implement all the new tweaks for the car of this upcoming season so it would be a big fail if they are not in the fight to win at least 1 race,just like Mercedes did during this season.In F1 time is the most valuable asset and if managed properly can bring you really good results,I think McLaren as one of the most prestigious teams in F1 should know that very well so I am expecting from them better performance during the 2023 season.

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Quote from: AakZaki on December 26, 2022, 04:02:06 PM

Worse yet, maybe the racers will get tired. This has more risk of danger than F1 (IMO). It is true that the driver team has to work fast because of the short pause. The physicality of the players will certainly be used more and more, controlling MotoGP with such a large amount of power requires a body that is always in shape. Maybe there will be longer entertainment but, I think it can be boring. It is likely that Dorna did this to supplement the inflow of money. Because of the free and qualifying sessions there may not be many people coming to watch, or not much Television broadcasting it.

I also think that it will be too exhausting for the riders, there are already more races in the calendar and then also additional sprint races...

The setup of the bike are crucial for the safety of the riders and so there is even less time to find the necessary setup to ride fast and safe, sprint races I see very questionable in MotoGP.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 26, 2022, 05:25:37 AM

I would also love to see McLaren being added to the teams who come up with a really good car for the upcoming season and this for a good reason I believe.They have started this upcoming season car development very early in the season we left behind which means they had the most time compared to other teams to build a good fast car for this upcoming season,I believe they were the first team to start already development of this upcoming season in May during the Monaco GP they announced that if I remember correctly.If they don't come up with a good car after so much time to develop the car I think they need to fire quite a lot of staff and bring some new names there.

I really don't know about McLaren. Because they were even worse than the previous season the last time.

There was a huge power loss in the car and this was a big factor holding Norris and Ricciardo back from reaching their potential in the season. To tell the truth, I wasn't expecting much from Ricciardo because he wasn't looking like competitive much. But Norris still tried to do his best with this car. From time to time, he did a good work as well. McLaren will need to work hard on their car now to close up the big gap with the top teams. It won't be easy to do this while they are even weaker but let's see. I hope they use their money more efficiently this time.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 22, 2022, 04:52:54 AM

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I think it will be introduced once at 2 races as a trial, basically I don't think it's good the teams and pilots simply have too little time to set up the bike.

Worse yet, maybe the racers will get tired. This has more risk of danger than F1 (IMO). It is true that the driver team has to work fast because of the short pause. The physicality of the players will certainly be used more and more, controlling MotoGP with such a large amount of power requires a body that is always in shape. Maybe there will be longer entertainment but, I think it can be boring. It is likely that Dorna did this to supplement the inflow of money. Because of the free and qualifying sessions there may not be many people coming to watch, or not much Television broadcasting it.

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Quote from: CLS63 on December 25, 2022, 03:51:21 PM

Quote from: alegotardo on December 22, 2022, 09:03:34 PM

Quote from: CLS63 on December 22, 2022, 03:46:45 PM

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

I don't know if it's still confirmed, but I had read that Ferrari would have an engine with 30 more horsepower for the 2023 Formula 1 season, a result achieved with an "innovative solution" in the design of the unit.
Furthermore, they promised to "attack" and solve the reliability problems that so plagued Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz this last season.

Ferrari's problems arose because they needed to "pump" their engine to the maximum before the blockade that affected all teams, but now, by the rules, they can still make some adjustments to try to solve the problems that remain, and that's what they want extract that extra power.

I still have hope that Ferrari will perform well in 2023, I really root for this team and hope that it can match Mercedes.

Ferrari indeed have the potential to prepare the fastest car on the grid now. This isn't the thing they didn't do before. The beginning of last season was just like that. But we all wonder how consistent they would be later on. Because they gave big hopes to Tifosis after that solid start but disappointed them in a short time after.

This time they could find Mercedes as a very strong opponent in the title race together with Red Bull as well. This would fire up the competition even more so Ferrari don't have the luxury of making big mistakes.

I would also love to see McLaren being added to the teams who come up with a really good car for the upcoming season and this for a good reason I believe.They have started this upcoming season car development very early in the season we left behind which means they had the most time compared to other teams to build a good fast car for this upcoming season,I believe they were the first team to start already development of this upcoming season in May during the Monaco GP they announced that if I remember correctly.If they don't come up with a good car after so much time to develop the car I think they need to fire quite a lot of staff and bring some new names there.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 22, 2022, 09:03:34 PM

Quote from: CLS63 on December 22, 2022, 03:46:45 PM

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

I don't know if it's still confirmed, but I had read that Ferrari would have an engine with 30 more horsepower for the 2023 Formula 1 season, a result achieved with an "innovative solution" in the design of the unit.
Furthermore, they promised to "attack" and solve the reliability problems that so plagued Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz this last season.

Ferrari's problems arose because they needed to "pump" their engine to the maximum before the blockade that affected all teams, but now, by the rules, they can still make some adjustments to try to solve the problems that remain, and that's what they want extract that extra power.

I still have hope that Ferrari will perform well in 2023, I really root for this team and hope that it can match Mercedes.

Ferrari indeed have the potential to prepare the fastest car on the grid now. This isn't the thing they didn't do before. The beginning of last season was just like that. But we all wonder how consistent they would be later on. Because they gave big hopes to Tifosis after that solid start but disappointed them in a short time after.

This time they could find Mercedes as a very strong opponent in the title race together with Red Bull as well. This would fire up the competition even more so Ferrari don't have the luxury of making big mistakes.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 25, 2022, 02:25:14 PM

The dates are a bit far but what I am more interested than in the car presentation of the different teams is in the tests,there will be only few days from what I heard for testing of these new cars and I think it will either be only in Barcelona or only in Bahrain or Qatar.

The tests will be very disappointing this year. For the first time, we will only have one week of testing, 3 days

Last year amidst the controversies we had 2 weeks, 3 days plus three days, the first three of which were without TV coverage.

Now if they want to do only three days and without TV broadcasting there will be a revolution on social media.

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Quote from: püsür on December 24, 2022, 04:58:45 PM

I didn't like Verstappen's statements about Perez at the end of the season, as a person who jumped into the air when he became champion in abu dhabi who supported him. Yes, Perez didn't slow down for you, he defended hamilton who was trying to pass him, and you were expected to slow down. I understand that there were different scenarios, but still the style of those statements were not pleasant. I think he could have explained the situation in a different way. I hope they solve this problem and look ahead as a team. Because f1 is a sport where teammates can be a very important driving force, although it may seem individual.

I'm also quite disappointed by what Verstappen said about Perez's team-mate and my respect for him is starting to wane a bit. We know Verstappen has the upper hand now, but that doesn't mean he can discredit his team-mates. Doesn't he remember that Perez did enough for his success? This isn't an individual race, it's a team race, if Verstappen feels that Perez is slowing him down I'm sure that next season Verstappen's arrogance will be paid for in defeat. Because after all to make a race a success, teamwork is needed. Although individual decisions are sometimes necessary, such a statement seems very unwise.

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certain rules will still be imposed. It is strange that Red Bull has become world champion, but they do not have a race car for normal people. If you ask people about race cars on the highway, you will quickly come to the answers Ferrari and lamborghini. Why is Lamborghini not participating in F1? They also have a very strong engine, comparable to Ferrari. But maybe that's not the priority at all. It's always a shame when F1 stops for a few months. Last year they continued until December, but now they finished the season earlier.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 25, 2022, 02:14:15 PM

We starting having a calendar for the presentation of the car, is still early but it is something, it is in Italian but it is understandable.

Calendario presentazioni F1 2023
11 febbraio: AlphaTauri (AT04)
13 febbraio: Aston Martin (AMR23)
14 febbraio: Ferrari (progetto 675, nome ancora da definire)
Red Bull (RB19): da confermare
Mercedes (W14): da confermare
McLaren (MCL37): da confermare
Alfa Romeo (C43): da confermare
Alpine (A523): da confermare
Haas (VF23): da confermare
Williams (FW45): da confermare

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/calendario-presentazioni-2023-date-orari-modelli-ferrari-progetto-675-aston-martin-redbull-mercedes

The dates are a bit far but what I am more interested than in the car presentation of the different teams is in the tests,there will be only few days from what I heard for testing of these new cars and I think it will either be only in Barcelona or only in Bahrain or Qatar.

We can also see from the car aerodynamics the differences and how will these translate during the first race so we will learn more about which car got it better during this year,I only hope that this upcoming season there will not be changes of the rules during the season as that can prove as a season killer.

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We starting having a calendar for the presentation of the car, is still early but it is something, it is in Italian but it is understandable.

Calendario presentazioni F1 2023
11 febbraio: AlphaTauri (AT04)
13 febbraio: Aston Martin (AMR23)
14 febbraio: Ferrari (progetto 675, nome ancora da definire)
Red Bull (RB19): da confermare
Mercedes (W14): da confermare
McLaren (MCL37): da confermare
Alfa Romeo (C43): da confermare
Alpine (A523): da confermare
Haas (VF23): da confermare
Williams (FW45): da confermare

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/calendario-presentazioni-2023-date-orari-modelli-ferrari-progetto-675-aston-martin-redbull-mercedes

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It is very interesting to see this new car from Ferarri, because this is the first car launch under the leadership of Frederic Vasseur and it seems that there are several things that are different and have been improved by Vasseur. And moreover Ferarri has improvised several parts of their car such as increasing speed by improve aerodynamic efficiency and tire management and degradation. It will be very interesting to see the competition from the Ferrari team in the coming season.

Finding that extra speed without any reliability issue is the hardest thing there is in racing. I mean it is easy to build a car that would be the best car ever, it's actually "easy", not easy for williams or aston martin of course, but teams like red bull or ferrari or mercedes could have cars that are much much better, and I mean like not even close, like domination levels and win 23 races in a row with 1-2 type of domination.

The only reason why they don't do that? Most probably those cars would fall apart at lap 20, because you can't push the car to its limits and expect it to hold, it will crash and burn each time. So, you have to find that perfect setting where it's not max and crashes, but not low to make you lose, so balance it between them.

Every year teams say somethings, and then we watch them fail at what they said. Last year they looked to be great as well, the first 3 races where they had 2 wins for Charles as an example, and then what happened? I understand they may start the season with confidence, and that's a good thing because it would give them a chance to fight for a title race in the first 4-5 races.

However, if they fail and do mistakes and lose races then after 5th game even Charles would stop racing for a top position and lose hope. Hence, if they really want to make sure they are good, they shouldn't just look for what they are capable of doing now, but instead look how they could improve even during the season.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 24, 2022, 04:42:56 PM

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As much as a fan I am of F1 I think this is something not normal and I believe this will be the opinion of many F1 fans regarding the price of this premium/gold pass or whatever they may be calling it.

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Quote from: püsür on December 24, 2022, 04:58:45 PM

I didn't like Verstappen's statements about Perez at the end of the season, as a person who jumped into the air when he became champion in abu dhabi who supported him. Yes, Perez didn't slow down for you, he defended hamilton who was trying to pass him, and you were expected to slow down. I understand that there were different scenarios, but still the style of those statements were not pleasant. I think he could have explained the situation in a different way. I hope they solve this problem and look ahead as a team. Because f1 is a sport where teammates can be a very important driving force, although it may seem individual.

I have just started to wait for the time Perez leaves his seat and Ricciardo takes it from him. Because after these things happened I don't expect Perez to be a part of Red Bull for long years from now on. He would race next season and do his best to stay close to Verstappen to increase the in-team competition level. However I doubt whether he can get close to Verstappen very much. Because Perez has made many more mistakes than him so far. Perez will need to increase his concentration level a lot before the beginning of the season.

When Ricciardo takes the seat it might be quite interesting to see him back at the place he left because of not being the main driver. But I don't see him as competitive as in the past so he wouldn't be a big threat to Verstappen anymore.

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I didn't like Verstappen's statements about Perez at the end of the season, as a person who jumped into the air when he became champion in abu dhabi who supported him. Yes, Perez didn't slow down for you, he defended hamilton who was trying to pass him, and you were expected to slow down. I understand that there were different scenarios, but still the style of those statements were not pleasant. I think he could have explained the situation in a different way. I hope they solve this problem and look ahead as a team. Because f1 is a sport where teammates can be a very important driving force, although it may seem individual.

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