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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 24, 2022, 02:17:25 PM

Las Vegas is Las Vegas.

The prices for the tickets for the next F1 GP are now out.

The most expensive Pass for the GP will cost 5 million $. (it has 12 tickets)

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-las-vegas-prezzi-fuori-scala-mega-pacchetto-cinque-milioni-dollari

So 5 million dollars for watching a F1 race,I know that in the USA they like to make it big but I think they have exaggerated big time during such a race.Personally if I had 5 million dollars I would be a very happy happy person that would enjoy life much more than I actually do right now,playing lotteries and try to change life Grin

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As much as a fan I am of F1 I think this is something not normal and I believe this will be the opinion of many F1 fans regarding the price of this premium/gold pass or whatever they may be calling it.

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Las Vegas is Las Vegas.

The prices for the tickets for the next F1 GP are now out.

The most expensive Pass for the GP will cost 5 million $. (it has 12 tickets)

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-las-vegas-prezzi-fuori-scala-mega-pacchetto-cinque-milioni-dollari

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We may also get some changes in the regulations for the coming season. Something similar happened 2 seasons ago and then Mercedes was suddenly the top favorite to win. I thought it had to do with a distance from the front wing to the ground or something like that. But they will not be fooled again at Red Bull by letting something like this happen next season. Very strange things have to happen if Red Bull is not to become champion again. Verstappen 1st man and Perez the 2nd man seem fine to me. Although Verstappen has shown that it is actually still just a toddler after that incident with Pereze.

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Quote from: retreat on December 22, 2022, 12:37:00 PM

It is very interesting to see this new car from Ferarri, because this is the first car launch under the leadership of Frederic Vasseur and it seems that there are several things that are different and have been improved by Vasseur. And moreover Ferarri has improvised several parts of their car such as increasing speed by improve aerodynamic efficiency and tire management and degradation. It will be very interesting to see the competition from the Ferrari team in the coming season.

Finding that extra speed without any reliability issue is the hardest thing there is in racing. I mean it is easy to build a car that would be the best car ever, it's actually "easy", not easy for williams or aston martin of course, but teams like red bull or ferrari or mercedes could have cars that are much much better, and I mean like not even close, like domination levels and win 23 races in a row with 1-2 type of domination.

The only reason why they don't do that? Most probably those cars would fall apart at lap 20, because you can't push the car to its limits and expect it to hold, it will crash and burn each time. So, you have to find that perfect setting where it's not max and crashes, but not low to make you lose, so balance it between them.

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Too bad we now have to wait a few months for them to race in F1 again. But it's also hard to drive all the races, and you also have to travel from country to country every week. You actually have very little time to prepare optimally. It is tough mentally and physically. And now the teams have a few months to prepare. At Red Bull they won't change that many things, as last season was the best season a team could wish for. Or would they want to raise the bar even higher for the upcoming season? Almost unthinkable. I hope that Mercedes can also compete for the championship again. It was actually a very monotonous season last season.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 23, 2022, 04:46:23 PM

I was so hopeful to see Norris taking Hamilton's seat after Hamilton's retirement announcement in the future. However I must admit that I was very surprised to hear about Mick's arrival at Mercedes as the third driver. I would rather seeing him at Ferrari for taking a seat normally. In memory of Michael Schumacher, it would have been great to see Mick driving for Ferrari. Who knows maybe we might still see this happening in the future. But to pave the way for him, Sainz needs to leave.

In the end, Leclerc would be with Ferrari for long years. But Sainz's position is not very guaranteed now. He needs to do better next season.

I don't think that Sainz did that well,he also won his first race and in the last few races of the season he was driving normally,I think the duo at Ferrari will stay for longer and that is why most probably Mick decided to go to Mercedes as a third driver because he sees more chances there to drive for a winning team than in Ferrari.

I am afraid we are not going to see him drive the same car his father did but I am happy for such move because it means he will drive for a Mercedes which lately has been doing much better than Ferrari,so can't wait to see him drive for Mercedes.

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I was so hopeful to see Norris taking Hamilton's seat after Hamilton's retirement announcement in the future. However I must admit that I was very surprised to hear about Mick's arrival at Mercedes as the third driver. I would rather seeing him at Ferrari for taking a seat normally. In memory of Michael Schumacher, it would have been great to see Mick driving for Ferrari. Who knows maybe we might still see this happening in the future. But to pave the way for him, Sainz needs to leave.

In the end, Leclerc would be with Ferrari for long years. But Sainz's position is not very guaranteed now. He needs to do better next season.

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Quote from: FanEagle on December 23, 2022, 11:44:03 AM

It is explained that Ferrari had the best engine out of anyone else, and they started the season last year with full power, back when Red Bull couldn't even catch up, and had DNF because they pushed their car to be as fast as Ferrari. However, they had to dial it back down because their car had reliability issues, most known Sainz being caught on fire on Austria. So they didn't had the fastest engine anymore because of that.

This year they are dialling it up again and they will try to be a lot more careful and supposedly fixed the issues. In a season where they have the best engine, no reliability issues and no strategic mistakes like so many they did last year, they could actually fight for a title I believe.

According to rumors they were allowed to work on the engine during this break for safety reasons, the upgrades are banned until 2026.

Also according to rumors thanks to this, they have increased the power by around 30 horses power.

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It is explained that Ferrari had the best engine out of anyone else, and they started the season last year with full power, back when Red Bull couldn't even catch up, and had DNF because they pushed their car to be as fast as Ferrari. However, they had to dial it back down because their car had reliability issues, most known Sainz being caught on fire on Austria. So they didn't had the fastest engine anymore because of that.

This year they are dialling it up again and they will try to be a lot more careful and supposedly fixed the issues. In a season where they have the best engine, no reliability issues and no strategic mistakes like so many they did last year, they could actually fight for a title I believe.

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Quote from: CLS63 on December 22, 2022, 03:46:45 PM

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

I don't know if it's still confirmed, but I had read that Ferrari would have an engine with 30 more horsepower for the 2023 Formula 1 season, a result achieved with an "innovative solution" in the design of the unit.
Furthermore, they promised to "attack" and solve the reliability problems that so plagued Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz this last season.

Ferrari's problems arose because they needed to "pump" their engine to the maximum before the blockade that affected all teams, but now, by the rules, they can still make some adjustments to try to solve the problems that remain, and that's what they want extract that extra power.

I still have hope that Ferrari will perform well in 2023, I really root for this team and hope that it can match Mercedes.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 20, 2022, 10:56:37 AM

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Ferrari are claiming that they are back in their old strength again now. They are saying that they have the fastest car on the grid once again. I have heard about another thing also like they had to cut the power of the engine by a significant percent and this held them back from fighting with Red Bull at the same level.

Maybe they are saying the truth about winning their real power back now. We saw an example of it at the beginning of this season in the end. They were very promising. The only thing they need to do this time is to keep consistency. They need to work with better workers to have a season with minimum amount of problems. If we see them having durability issues again it would be a really big disappointment.

They're 'old strength' again now? And how can that really be when their best engineer has already resigned. People seem to forget that Binotto was the guy who has done a lot of the work on Ferrari's title winning cars with Michael Schumacher. I think to really get their old strength back, the Ferrari F1 board should go to Binotto then grovel and plead for him to work with them again because if he goes to another team with money, say McLaren, then the rest better watch out.

I really don't know how they can get their strength back in such a short time. I know that they have been working on their car but I don't think they have made that much improvement yet. Because they have newly replaced Binotto with Vasseur. They will need some time for him to start applying the plans in his mind with his crew.

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

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Mercedes turned on the engine of the new car.

Here the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aHf3RrVbyU

It is almost time for a new season.

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Ferrari are trying to make us hyped about them again but I don't know. Grin

I was fascinated with their great start to the previous season but they failed hard later on. Of course there are some changes happening in the team finally. Let's see how much Vasseur will be successful with his new crew. This is an important step forward because the old crew were really horrible. Neither in pit nor about the development of the car they were doing a good work. Now there is hope for Ferrari fans. Ferrari need to get back to their strength at the beginning of the previous season at least. Even that might not be enough because Red Bull and Mercedes will be improving their car much more until the start of the new season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 22, 2022, 10:57:29 AM

Valentine's day.

Almost time for the new season Cheesy

Source:https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1605896553582907392

It is very interesting to see this new car from Ferarri, because this is the first car launch under the leadership of Frederic Vasseur and it seems that there are several things that are different and have been improved by Vasseur. And moreover Ferarri has improvised several parts of their car such as increasing speed by improve aerodynamic efficiency and tire management and degradation. It will be very interesting to see the competition from the Ferrari team in the coming season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 22, 2022, 10:57:29 AM

Valentine's day.

Almost time for the new season Cheesy

Source:https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1605896553582907392

Hah yeah! By the time it's January with all the schedules for testing and the unveiling come out, it will def feel like the new season has come again. So good for us and let's hope it's not going to be a boring season. Rooting for Toto Wolff to make it more challenging for Red Bull. Grin

Anyway, just went to browse a bit for some F1 news and it seems like the trust issues between Verstappen and Perez won't go away. I couldn't blame Verstappen after what Perez did to him at Monaco. And if this keeps going on next season, I think we might see our favorite Aussie get the second seat come 2024..? I wouldn't mind VER - RIC tbh.

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Valentine's day.

Almost time for the new season Cheesy

Source:https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1605896553582907392

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Quote from: Luzin on December 19, 2022, 10:52:14 AM

I just read that in motoGP there will be a Sprint Race. This format will take effect in the 2023 season. So In one series the driver will have 2 races. Sprint race on Saturday and Regular race on Sunday. In this Sprint race, drivers will get half the points from the regular race. So there will be 37 points if the driver can win in that one series.
Looks interesting or will it be boring? I don't really like this decision. I think indeed the championship competition will be more open but the drivers will expend more energy. Maybe the injury will be greater.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/08/20/sprint-races-to-be-introduced-at-all-grands-prix-from-2023/431993

The operator tries to improve the race and tries to get many sponsors by making it be 2 races, but as we know on Saturday is usually a qualification race for starting grid, so if have sprint race happens at the next event, maybe the qualification race will be a shift to the previous day. This looks interesting, and we have to prepare our money because maybe we can see the next sports book adding a sprint race in the bet.

I don't know what to make of it yet either, it will probably be like Formula 1:

Friday

Free practice (60 minutes)
Qualifying (FP(4), Q1, Q2)

Saturday

Free practice (60 minutes)
Sprint race (half distance)

Sunday

WarmUp
Grand Prix (Full Distance)

I think it will be introduced once at 2 races as a trial, basically I don't think it's good the teams and pilots simply have too little time to set up the bike.

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I would love to see Leclerc at Mercedes.I don't like him personally as a driver but this year he showed great skill and performance in those races where Ferrari had the upper edge.Beautiful battle in Silverstone between three drivers and one of them was Leclerc,he won in Austria with the gas pedal not working at all and a few more good deeds by him.

At Mercedes I doubt they have first and second driver but they choose one based on the results of the start of the season,they can't have first driver Russell if for example Hamilton wins the first three races.

Yup, I wouldn't mind seeing it happen too. He's a good driver that hasn't reached his full potential yet because Ferrari has been sucking in strategy and execution as of late. Vettel has a high opinion of him as a driver, even wrote him a note saying so when Vettel left Ferrari. I don't get why everybody hated Vettel when he was winning with Red Bull and saying he's not a fast driver. If that was true then why couldn't Webber beat him during quali or the race? People seem to forget there are two driver, not one. Lol.

And Merc would prolly have no defined first or second driver if it was Leclerc - Russell. Other than that, it's Russell as first driver... Blimey.

George Russel is the biggest reason why they couldn't possibly get Charles as their second driver after Hamilton retires, first of all I am guessing that there is as long as 3 to 5 seasons Hamilton could still race, and that means it is not going to be easy to replace him, the racer that could replace him may not be even in f2 right now let alone in f1 because by the time Hamilton retires, George would be winning races for them, and Charles would be settled in nicely with Ferrari.

I am guessing that Charles-George duo would cause them as much headache as Nico vs Hamilton year, and that is why I doubt that they would repeat that mistake ever again and instead get a clear second driver for Russell.

Just three years tops after his current contract imho. There have been talks swirling around of his retirement that goes on and off every year. I think the next one is gonna be the real one after 2023 and his next contract will be his last. As a driver gets older, his reflexes start getting slower. Teams don't want this in F1 as the driver will be prone to accidents. We were starting to see it with Raikonnen. He wasn't getting into a lot of accidents but there were times in the onboard cams, they showed how late his reaction times were.

Anyway, I guess hext season we'll be having Red Bull - Mercedes - Ferrari? I can't imagine Ferrari fighting for podiums consistently under their new principal and technical team...

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Quote from: Luzin on December 19, 2022, 10:52:14 AM

I just read that in motoGP there will be a Sprint Race. This format will take effect in the 2023 season. So In one series the driver will have 2 races. Sprint race on Saturday and Regular race on Sunday. In this Sprint race, drivers will get half the points from the regular race. So there will be 37 points if the driver can win in that one series.
Looks interesting or will it be boring? I don't really like this decision. I think indeed the championship competition will be more open but the drivers will expend more energy. Maybe the injury will be greater.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/08/20/sprint-races-to-be-introduced-at-all-grands-prix-from-2023/431993

The operator tries to improve the race and tries to get many sponsors by making it be 2 races, but as we know on Saturday is usually a qualification race for starting grid, so if have sprint race happens at the next event, maybe the qualification race will be a shift to the previous day. This looks interesting, and we have to prepare our money because maybe we can see the next sports book adding a sprint race in the bet.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 21, 2022, 04:22:40 AM

Quote from: swogerino on December 20, 2022, 11:12:47 AM

I would love to see Leclerc at Mercedes.I don't like him personally as a driver but this year he showed great skill and performance in those races where Ferrari had the upper edge.Beautiful battle in Silverstone between three drivers and one of them was Leclerc,he won in Austria with the gas pedal not working at all and a few more good deeds by him.

At Mercedes I doubt they have first and second driver but they choose one based on the results of the start of the season,they can't have first driver Russell if for example Hamilton wins the first three races.

Yup, I wouldn't mind seeing it happen too. He's a good driver that hasn't reached his full potential yet because Ferrari has been sucking in strategy and execution as of late. Vettel has a high opinion of him as a driver, even wrote him a note saying so when Vettel left Ferrari. I don't get why everybody hated Vettel when he was winning with Red Bull and saying he's not a fast driver. If that was true then why couldn't Webber beat him during quali or the race? People seem to forget there are two driver, not one. Lol.

And Merc would prolly have no defined first or second driver if it was Leclerc - Russell. Other than that, it's Russell as first driver... Blimey.

George Russel is the biggest reason why they couldn't possibly get Charles as their second driver after Hamilton retires, first of all I am guessing that there is as long as 3 to 5 seasons Hamilton could still race, and that means it is not going to be easy to replace him, the racer that could replace him may not be even in f2 right now let alone in f1 because by the time Hamilton retires, George would be winning races for them, and Charles would be settled in nicely with Ferrari.

I am guessing that Charles-George duo would cause them as much headache as Nico vs Hamilton year, and that is why I doubt that they would repeat that mistake ever again and instead get a clear second driver for Russell.

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