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Today watching tests I realized that's just one week remaining until start of new season. Before I was sure that there is few weeks break between tests and first race and season will begin in second part of March.

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Ferrari has some proposing problems, while Redbull seem incredibly strong so far.

157 laps of Verstappen , it's like 3 full races in one day. As I understand, on 3rd day of testing Checo will have same opportunity to be on track whole day.
Also noticed Leclerc head shaking on straights, I thought that porpoising was just past season thing.

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1 Max VERSTAPPEN - Red Bull Racing in 1:32.837 - 157 giri
2 Fernando ALONSO - Aston Martin+0.029 - 60 giri
3 Carlos SAINZ - Ferrari+0.416 - 72 giri
4 Charles LECLERC - Ferrari+0.430 - 64 giri
5 Lando NORRIS - McLaren+0.625 - 40 giri
6 Lewis HAMILTON - Mercedes+0.671- 83 giri
7 Alexander ALBON - Williams+0.834 - 74 giri
8 Guanyu ZHOU - Alfa Romeo+0.886 - 67 giri
9 George RUSSELL - Mercedes+1.337 - 69 giri
10 Logan SARGEANT - Williams+1.487 - 75 giri
11 Nico HULKENBERG - Haas F1 Team+1.587 - 51 giri
12 Valtteri BOTTAS - Alfa Romeo+1.721- 71 giri
13 Nyck DE VRIES - AlphaTauri+1.722 - 85 giri
14 Felipe DRUGOVICH - Aston Martin+1.727 - 40 giri
15 Yuki TSUNODA - AlphaTauri+1.834 - 46 giri
16 Pierre GASLY - Alpine+1.985 - 60 giri
17 Esteban OCON - Alpine+2.034 - 53 giri
18 Oscar PIASTRI - McLaren+2.051 - 52 giri
19 Kevin MAGNUSSEN - Haas F1 Team+2.250 - 57 giri

Results of the day

Source; https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2023/02/23/f1-test-bahrain-sakhir-2023-prima-giornata

Ferrari has some proposing problems, while Redbull seem incredibly strong so far.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 21, 2023, 05:54:36 PM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 21, 2023, 04:18:13 PM

Small news for F1.
With more GPs coming year after year they have now a new rule.

The salary cap is increased based on the number of races.
For every race after the 21st, team will have an extra budget of 1.2-1.8 million depending on where the extra race will be done.

Excellent change, I think it's fair that there is this "flexibility" of the value according to the number of races.

Two other "small changes" that were announced today, but which are very significant and should be listed:

- The arrival of a new wet track tire. After tests carried out by Pirelli, a new rubber will be available in F1 from the Emilia-Romagna GP. I don't know, I'm a little apprehensive about this novelty, because I remember that Pirelli's wet track tire was the target of a lot of criticism last season for having a very bad performance, could they have improved that?

- It was also announced updates and changes in several F1 tracks. Some, for example, are the circuits in Azerbaijan and Miami that will be completely resurfaced. In Saudi Arabia, some changes were also announced to improve the visibility of some curves (it will lose some of the adrenaline, but improve the safety of the pilots). They will also increase the space between the pit-stop positions in Zandvoort, in addition to a new paddock that will be built in Qatar.

I think these new safety ones are definitely the right path to take. Wet tires were terrible last season, we have seen teams not even race for too long in many races, and couldn't even finish the whole laps and had to be drained first and then finish against the clock and that was truly terrible if you ask me.

Because of this I believe that we shouldn't be really against drivers not wanting to race when it's raining, we have seen how terrible cars are and how everyone crashed, no reason to put yourself in danger, don't care how back in the day drivers didn't care about rain, I care about their safety more than my pleasure of watching them. Second one is also good, make sure everything looks as clear as possible.

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Tomorrow is the Day of the tests.

These are the official drivers of the morning and afternoon.

Source; https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/test-bahrain-2023-le-line-up-dei-team-ferrari-red-bull-haas-mercedes-alpine-mclaren-williams-alfa-romeo-alphatauri

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 20, 2023, 05:09:38 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on February 20, 2023, 12:10:37 PM

I have heard of some experiment with a supercomputer about which driver on the grid would be the champion this season.

According to the calculations of this supercomputer, Verstappen will win his third championship in a row. Besides it calculated the 2nd and 3rd in the standings as Hamilton and Leclerc respectively. It doesn't seem unrealistic to me honestly. Because we still can't be sure of what Ferrari can really do this season yet. They claim that they have the strongest car now but the most important thing is to have a season without problems. Otherwise it doesn't matter how fast your car is. Apart from that, Verstappen is still the clear favourite. Hamilton can also have a great season depending on how much Mercedes have developed their car.

If Verstappen is the favorite and Leclerc comes third, then that simulation honestly didn't factor in Ferrari's car. That thing is still a beast, and with Charles Leclerc on the driver's seat, it's not impossible for him to take the championship. While everyone is still cheering for Verstappen to take that 3rd championship on his, they should not sleep on Hamilton and Mercedes. These guys are doing a very great job on tests and are giving us short responses on what went well on these tests, which means that their car is slowly getting better but doesn't want to spoil the fun yet.

Hamilton will be eager to try to take the overall record in number of championships, but I think his time is over. I know that this guy is a beast mentally, but so is Verstappen. When I watched Hamilton giving interviews in the recent past, I felt as if something has changed. He wasn't on fire as much as he used to be. If I had to make my pick I think it comes down to the first couple of races whether Hamilton is a candidate or not. If he isn't relatively successful in the first three to four races, that could already mean the end. There have been seasons where he had great comebacks, but if he can do that again? Verstappen is also extremely aggressive and is risking accidents a few percentage points more than Hamilton. If Hamilton's car isn't dominant enough, he will be constantly exposed to those attacks.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 20, 2023, 05:09:38 PM

If Verstappen is the favorite and Leclerc comes third, then that simulation honestly didn't factor in Ferrari's car. That thing is still a beast, and with Charles Leclerc on the driver's seat, it's not impossible for him to take the championship. While everyone is still cheering for Verstappen to take that 3rd championship on his, they should not sleep on Hamilton and Mercedes. These guys are doing a very great job on tests and are giving us short responses on what went well on these tests, which means that their car is slowly getting better but doesn't want to spoil the fun yet.

Same supercomputer also calculated the best possible lap with the best racing lines in every possible scenario with every car and then Hamilton beat it anyway and got a faster lap.

It is not always correct, I am not sure how serious Ferrari will be right on the first season of a new team principle, there could be a settling down period where they will have to learn some things while on the job, and can't know before the season starts, but at the end of the day I have to agree that they have a very good car, there is no doubt about that. If they can keep the mistakes to a minimum, and have no reliability issues, I can see them doing a very good job.

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Today the launch of the Repsol Honda team livery for MotoGP has been successful and from the livery that has been seen it seems that there are not so many changes in terms of color and also in the location of the sponsors. But apart from all that, I just hope that this year the Honda factory team can and is able to compete again with other manufacturers in the MotoGP event so that there are more different motorbikes in the front row with more lively and colorful competition. _{hrc_motogp}

In addition, the miracing team who also use Honda motorbikes in WSBK also officially released their livery today to compete in the WSBK event this season. Hopefully they can also provide more fierce resistance this season for other manufacturers because in WSBK there are only three manufacturers that are very often seen at the front, namely Yamaha, Kawasaki and Ducati. _{worldsbk infoworldsbk mieracingteam}

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 21, 2023, 04:18:13 PM

Small news for F1.
With more GPs coming year after year they have now a new rule.

The salary cap is increased based on the number of races.
For every race after the 21st, team will have an extra budget of 1.2-1.8 million depending on where the extra race will be done.

Excellent change, I think it's fair that there is this "flexibility" of the value according to the number of races.

Two other "small changes" that were announced today, but which are very significant and should be listed:

- The arrival of a new wet track tire. After tests carried out by Pirelli, a new rubber will be available in F1 from the Emilia-Romagna GP. I don't know, I'm a little apprehensive about this novelty, because I remember that Pirelli's wet track tire was the target of a lot of criticism last season for having a very bad performance, could they have improved that?

- It was also announced updates and changes in several F1 tracks. Some, for example, are the circuits in Azerbaijan and Miami that will be completely resurfaced. In Saudi Arabia, some changes were also announced to improve the visibility of some curves (it will lose some of the adrenaline, but improve the safety of the pilots). They will also increase the space between the pit-stop positions in Zandvoort, in addition to a new paddock that will be built in Qatar.

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Small news for F1.
With more GPs coming year after year they have now a new rule.

The salary cap is increased based on the number of races.
For every race after the 21st, team will have an extra budget of 1.2-1.8 million depending on where the extra race will be done.

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Mercedes already said that they are going to start behind Red Bull and Ferrari, which is a proof that it is not going to be that much of a trouble for the top. I believe that we shouldn't be really expecting much from them at the start, and I do believe that it will be hard for them to be champions this year if they start that badly. So it is once again just Red Bull and Ferrari like last year. They can hate it as much as they want but that's not going to be a big of a problem because we will end up watching it no matter who wins, because we can't just stop watching just because Red Bull wins, we watched it when Mercedes won like 8 times, its fine.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 20, 2023, 05:09:38 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on February 20, 2023, 12:10:37 PM

I have heard of some experiment with a supercomputer about which driver on the grid would be the champion this season.

According to the calculations of this supercomputer, Verstappen will win his third championship in a row. Besides it calculated the 2nd and 3rd in the standings as Hamilton and Leclerc respectively. It doesn't seem unrealistic to me honestly. Because we still can't be sure of what Ferrari can really do this season yet. They claim that they have the strongest car now but the most important thing is to have a season without problems. Otherwise it doesn't matter how fast your car is. Apart from that, Verstappen is still the clear favourite. Hamilton can also have a great season depending on how much Mercedes have developed their car.

If Verstappen is the favorite and Leclerc comes third, then that simulation honestly didn't factor in Ferrari's car. That thing is still a beast, and with Charles Leclerc on the driver's seat, it's not impossible for him to take the championship. While everyone is still cheering for Verstappen to take that 3rd championship on his, they should not sleep on Hamilton and Mercedes. These guys are doing a very great job on tests and are giving us short responses on what went well on these tests, which means that their car is slowly getting better but doesn't want to spoil the fun yet.

Here's the thing with F1 before the season starts. The favorites are hated because there's a really good chance that everything is gonna happen the same as last season... Again. And Ferrari almost always keeps getting all the hype. But by the time we're all at the middle of the season, the books have gotten the lines in the outrights market to a tee.

I mean sure, Ferrari's car could be fast but Red Bull's car could be fast too and they have the best driver on the grid rn with the best strategists and the best technical team.

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The official pre-season test for WSBK at the Phillip Island circuit in Australia has been completed today which was held for two days including today. On the first day Toprak became the fastest on his Yamaha R1 motorbike after scoring a time of 1:30.674 seconds yesterday, but today's Ducati rider Alvaro Bautista managed to be the fastest by scoring a time of 1:30.272 seconds and that is an extraordinary time record. have indicated that Alvaro Bautista will still be a very strong rider for this season in WSBK. _{Source: infoworldsbk}

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on February 20, 2023, 12:10:37 PM

I have heard of some experiment with a supercomputer about which driver on the grid would be the champion this season.

According to the calculations of this supercomputer, Verstappen will win his third championship in a row. Besides it calculated the 2nd and 3rd in the standings as Hamilton and Leclerc respectively. It doesn't seem unrealistic to me honestly. Because we still can't be sure of what Ferrari can really do this season yet. They claim that they have the strongest car now but the most important thing is to have a season without problems. Otherwise it doesn't matter how fast your car is. Apart from that, Verstappen is still the clear favourite. Hamilton can also have a great season depending on how much Mercedes have developed their car.

If Verstappen is the favorite and Leclerc comes third, then that simulation honestly didn't factor in Ferrari's car. That thing is still a beast, and with Charles Leclerc on the driver's seat, it's not impossible for him to take the championship. While everyone is still cheering for Verstappen to take that 3rd championship on his, they should not sleep on Hamilton and Mercedes. These guys are doing a very great job on tests and are giving us short responses on what went well on these tests, which means that their car is slowly getting better but doesn't want to spoil the fun yet.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 20, 2023, 08:31:33 AM

LFG! So stoked we're gonna start the season in less than a couple of months.

of weeks!

Start of the season is in 20days.

Early schedule of the 3 days of tests.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/test-bahrain-2023-le-line-up-dei-team-ferrari-red-bull-haas-mercedes-alpine-mclaren-williams-alfa-romeo-alphatauri

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

Don't trust these cars we have seen at all.

Especially Mercedes and Redbull are known for presenting a car on filming day and having a different one during the tests.

That was a test, it was on f1 rumor mills all over twitter, and it wasn't a "different" car, it was testing car. Could you be right? Could they test with last years car and not this years car?

Maybe, maybe they would do that because of the whole rain situation and not risk any crash and lose money, but at the end of the day why would you want to test with an old car that was horrible? What could that gain you?

Why not put the new car and get all the information that you need? That just doesn't make sense to me at all. I think there is a possibility that the new car still as proposing problem and they may actually have a very hard time at the start of the season but they at least know the solution this time.

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I have heard of some experiment with a supercomputer about which driver on the grid would be the champion this season.

According to the calculations of this supercomputer, Verstappen will win his third championship in a row. Besides it calculated the 2nd and 3rd in the standings as Hamilton and Leclerc respectively. It doesn't seem unrealistic to me honestly. Because we still can't be sure of what Ferrari can really do this season yet. They claim that they have the strongest car now but the most important thing is to have a season without problems. Otherwise it doesn't matter how fast your car is. Apart from that, Verstappen is still the clear favourite. Hamilton can also have a great season depending on how much Mercedes have developed their car.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

I also saw that and I think it's a pretty serious problem considering that the bouncy problem is pretty dangerous for the car. Even though Mercedes has taken steps to address this issue, by adjusting the suspension, it seems that what Mercedes has done is not optimal and there needs to be improvisation on this issue. Hopefully this problem doesn't have a significant impact on Mercedes' performance this season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 18, 2023, 05:35:28 PM

We are going in the week of the test for F1.
It will be the only week this year from Thursday to Saturday of the next week in Bahrain.

The weather will be sunny as usual.

The last year we got huge problems with sand and wind if you can remember.

LFG! So stoked we're gonna start the season in less than a couple of months.

A little line check on the odds for the outrights before we actually start...

Leading in the world driver's champioship to win is Verstappen with 1.73, followed by Hamilton with 4, then Leclerc with 6.

Constructors are as follows. Red Bull at first with 1.95, Mercedes next with 2.40, then Ferrari 5.75.

There are other fun bets out there like season H2H between drivers and season H2H between teams. Check it out... There's also a driver and constructor doubles market. Verstappen and Red Bull at 2.35 seems decent.

https://rollbit.com/sports?bt-path=%2F40

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

Don't trust these cars we have seen at all.

Especially Mercedes and Redbull are known for presenting a car on filming day and having a different one during the tests.

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The preparation for Mercedes is in any case a lot better than last year. Because then it soon turned out that it wouldn't work out at all in the battle for the championship. The year before they had pulled a nice trick with a distance setting that made them champions. Who should give Max a fight? Hamilton can only do that if he drives a top car. Mercedes was the big losses last year, especially because Hamilton had become world champion many times. It is a pity that Nick de Vries did not get a seat at Mercedes, but the competition there is also huge, of course. Max will be happy with Perez as 2nd driver.

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