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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on February 04, 2023, 04:05:51 PM

I come across a simple argument about this. First of all, when liberty took over, they did something amazing with "drive to survive" thing, which allowed people to see formula 1 on netflix and gained them a ton of new viewers, there are millions of people who are new to formula one, literally do not even know the period when Vettel won, they are brand new.

But, this also meant that it is a lot more marketing heavy, and Ford joining means they could do great marketing now, because it is not just a loss, yes you spend some but there is a cap, so you spend not so much and then you get a ton of new customers if you win, even if you lose you still get a lot of customers because now marketing is much better.

A season costs only 150m $ and for those teams is nothing.

Even if they end the season earning 0 $ as RBR and Ferrari and Mercedes do, they earn through marketing.

Basically, they pay 150m $ for marketing, every year.

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Ford is also interested for 2026 to be in F1!

The move that is making teams want to enter is the use of synthetic fuels.
They want to enter formula 1 to develop the technology and then use it in normal cars.

I come across a simple argument about this. First of all, when liberty took over, they did something amazing with "drive to survive" thing, which allowed people to see formula 1 on netflix and gained them a ton of new viewers, there are millions of people who are new to formula one, literally do not even know the period when Vettel won, they are brand new.

But, this also meant that it is a lot more marketing heavy, and Ford joining means they could do great marketing now, because it is not just a loss, yes you spend some but there is a cap, so you spend not so much and then you get a ton of new customers if you win, even if you lose you still get a lot of customers because now marketing is much better.

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Ford is also interested for 2026 to be in F1!

The move that is making teams want to enter is the use of synthetic fuels.
They want to enter formula 1 to develop the technology and then use it in normal cars.

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Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

They will use the new empowered engine from Ferrari so they will have a big boost for sure.
For the rest it is hard to say right now even looking at the car, the secrets if the have, are hidden.

Considering they have been better last year compared to previous years, and they now have 2 great drivers instead of 2 rookie drivers like they used to have, that means they are going to be better. Between hulkenberg and magnussen, they will definitely be better this year, on top of that they will have the ferrari engine, but we do not know if ferrari added that horse power and helped haas get that too, or did they just fixed it themselves and not tell haas what the issue was, in any case, haas engineers will see it and will probably figure it out eventually anyway.

This is why I think we are getting pretty close to consider Haas being middle of the pack type of team compared to being at the very bottom.

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As always RBR is using a fake car this time in rendering too Roll Eyes

One more reason for hating them.

Source: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1621521390473199616

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Quote from: Davian144 on February 03, 2023, 10:42:07 AM

It hurts a little if the MotoGP race in India is actually canceled by Dorna because it is hindered by the high amount of taxes that must be resolved immediately to the authorities there. I found this news on two different sites where one is in the

Sure I think 40% is unreasonable. Almost half of the income. Though I just found out that India is also just going to hold this big event. If I'm not mistaken, WSBK has also cancelled the race there. But it should make more sense for the Indian government to collect taxes. Maybe they need to discuss to make a win-win decision.

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It hurts a little if the MotoGP race in India is actually canceled by Dorna because it is hindered by the high amount of taxes that must be resolved immediately to the authorities there. I found this news on two different sites where one is in the local media and the other is on speedweek.com

According to Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta, preparations for the races in Kazakhstan and India are proceeding as planned. But it's no secret that Formula 1 CEO Stefano Domenicali won't be going to India with the World Cup because tax regulations make smooth running nearly impossible. Dorna is also awaiting final written confirmation that the authorities will lift India's strict tax regime for the 2023 MotoGP event. _{Reference Source: https://www.speedweek.com/motogp/news/203733/Indien-GP-2023-Werden-die-Steuerprobleme-geloest.html}

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Quote from: retreat on February 03, 2023, 09:47:01 AM

Right now I'm watching the live streaming of the launch of the RB19 by Red Bull and I'm very excited to be able to see how the RB19 looks like and the various features it has. It looks like it will be a competitive car and it will be quite difficult for competitors like Ferrari or Mercedes to be able to compete with this car. Really looking forward to how the performance of this car will be in the current season.

They still have Adrian Newey one of the McLaren architect for Hamilton title in 2008 and also before he was considered in F1 as one of the greatest and smartest aerodynamics engineer so I am not surprised if the design looks awesome and everything should be true about this car being competitive.

However I don't think we can talk before seeing the Mercedes and Ferrari cars how they will look that they will have difficulties to beat Redbull,all the teams have started the development of 2023 season early in 2022 and as such I expect better competition for this season but of course Redbull still is the team to beat.

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Right now I'm watching the live streaming of the launch of the RB19 by Red Bull and I'm very excited to be able to see how the RB19 looks like and the various features it has. It looks like it will be a competitive car and it will be quite difficult for competitors like Ferrari or Mercedes to be able to compete with this car. Really looking forward to how the performance of this car will be in the current season.

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Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

They will use the new empowered engine from Ferrari so they will have a big boost for sure.
For the rest it is hard to say right now even looking at the car, the secrets if the have, are hidden.

I honestly can't imagine that Haas has made a big leap in performance, why should they? Haas has a very low budget and is very dependent on the Ferrari powertrain anyway, and I don't think they can do that much in the wind tunnel, it will be back to the back of the grid in the new season.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 01, 2023, 09:20:11 PM

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

They will use the new empowered engine from Ferrari so they will have a big boost for sure.
For the rest it is hard to say right now even looking at the car, the secrets if the have, are hidden.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 01, 2023, 09:20:11 PM

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

I'm also keen on the numbers this beauty is posting currently. It would be a shame if the change is only on its aesthetics and the performance is left behind, but I doubt it. Most constructors will surely crank up the numbers that their machine can produce that still meets the regulation. Just by looking at the sleek body of this car, you can tell that Haas has somewhat touched the aerodynamic side of things and not just changed its color due to its new primary sponsor. Hopefully we can get a sneak peek of its performance during testing, which is a good 3 weeks from now (Feb 23 - 25)

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Two days ago I watched the official WSBK test in Portimao Portugal where on the first day @michaelrinaldi21 became the fastest with a record time of 1:39.639 seconds followed by Jonathan Rea and Alvaro Bautista respectively in second and third place. Also on that first day @remygardner also became the fastest rookie, why do I say rookie. Because last season he was in MotoGP, but for this season he became a rookie in WSBK.

On the second day of the test, Alvaro Bautista recorded a more extreme time than the first day where he managed to record a time of 1:39.035 seconds and that time became the record for the fastest lap time for the circuit. As for rookies like @remygardner, he is also the fastest among the other rookies, so he must also be called extraordinary on the second day. During the two days of testing at Portimao, it seemed that Ducati had more control over the circuit so that in the two days of testing, the fastest Ducati was always held by different riders.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 01, 2023, 05:03:28 PM

Nice looking car, I like the black and white colors with red touches. Grin

Mick Schumacher will be McLaren's reserve driver for the new season. I wish he could join a team and compete in all races. He had a good experience last season. After racing for two seasons, he is now down to reserve driver position.

The new season starts on March 5th. We were apart a lot, we missed Formula 1.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 01, 2023, 09:20:11 PM

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1st car of the Year for Haas.

We are almost there boys.

This VF23 was really beautiful, which is how the new body model was called. It has a very innovative design bringing black as its main color in most of the car.

In fact, the American constructor has changed the car a lot compared to last season, leaving aside that homogeneous white for a beautiful combination of black, white and red.
Of course, all this change has a meaning, as the team's colors are directly related to the new master sponsor of the team, since before the car was inspired by a Russian supplier, but whose contract was broken in 2022 with the beginning of the war in Ukraine.

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

We can only answer the question about the Haas performance only after seeing some preliminary tests which by the way for this season will be very limited in time,as far as I know only 2-3 days in total and even after these preliminary tests I would say to be cautious as most teams do not show their true potential during such tests.

From the design perspective looks a much better design the Haas car this year but we have to see how it will behave on track,if I remember correctly Haas had some really great moments and even won a pole position for a sprint race or something along those lines,they should look to improve further as any other team.

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Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.

Well, this is a common thing for all the teams, no?

I've never seen a team saying on tv "our car sucks and next year will be slower by 1-second" Grin

That's because they don't want any added pressure on their shoulders. Imagine telling everybody and confirming the rumor that your engines did have an increase of 30 hp then ending up losing every week vs Verstappen and Red Bull... Lol.

And if anything, these rumors could have been invented and being spread by top rivals like Red Bull and Mercedes to play with Ferrari engineers' minds and put pressure on them. Cheesy

I think there is absolutely no pressure on Ferrari engineers considering they are basically not expected to be good anyway lol. Ferrari is known to be a team that has so much potential, so much money and then keeps making mistakes all the time to cause a loss. They had a very close chance with Vettel once, but luck would have it and they lost, and then last year wasn't that close but they had so much disappointment as well and many mistakes too.

These were not just engineers, but I am sure they are not expected to do that well neither. Red Bull for example has a lot more pressure, why? Because they are the champions back to back, and winning a third time is hard, and they are expected to do that.

I agree that Ferrari should start the 2023 season by telling their fans that they will be fighting to win every race and not that we are going to win the Championship,by saying so they mean that they will give their 100% in every race during this season and as such the fans will watch hopeful but not with high hopes as in 2022 Ferrari took the pressure to themselves by winning the first couple of races and as such claiming they are going to win the 2022 season which in the end did not end well for Ferrari and their fans.

As for the engineers and other technical staff I assume they have learned a lot from the errors of 2022 so most likely they won't be screwing up with their race strategy anymore.

@swogerino I too remember posting here quite often that the 2022 season will be the year of Ferrari because of all the updates that they’re getting, however in the end I was totally disappointed to see such poor results. Also for the new season I agree that Ferrari should not make any statements, rather they should now start winning races and let the results talk for themselves.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 01, 2023, 05:03:28 PM

1st car of the Year for Haas.

We are almost there boys.

This VF23 was really beautiful, which is how the new body model was called. It has a very innovative design bringing black as its main color in most of the car.

In fact, the American constructor has changed the car a lot compared to last season, leaving aside that homogeneous white for a beautiful combination of black, white and red.
Of course, all this change has a meaning, as the team's colors are directly related to the new master sponsor of the team, since before the car was inspired by a Russian supplier, but whose contract was broken in 2022 with the beginning of the war in Ukraine.

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

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Source: https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1620421641196179457/photo/1

1st car of the Year for Haas.

We are almost there boys.

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In 2022, Ferrari started out proving to be very competitive, winning two of the first three races but, as the championship progressed, the problems presented by the team paved the way for Red Bull's dominance, ending in Max Verstappen's second championship and in the Taurine conquest. of the Constructors' Championship.

However, there are indications that the Maranello team should be faster in 2023 due to several factors... on Pirelli tyres, especially the front ones to reduce the excess front output, something that was seen a lot in 2022, among other details. I think we will see fewer mistakes from Ferrari in 2023.

Ferrari will present the successor to the F1-75 on February 14th, we'll see what's new.

That's exactly why I said there are no pressures on the engineers of ferrari, or anyone in the ferrari team. The main idea is that Mercedes had so many titles in a row, and Hamilton has 7 titles, one away from being the sole owner of the record, he is now sharing it. So there was this idea that he could maybe become the champion again to win, and last year we have seen them suck big time and they were terrible.

Last two years Red Bull has won, and its their title to lose right now, so they will want to keep it, but I am not sure if they will be able to. On the other hand, Ferrari hasn't won anything and just disappointed their own fans. Which means that they have the least pressure because nobody expects them to actually win, everyone expects them to make mistakes to cost the championship instead Cheesy

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This can also serve as an advantage for Ferrari in one way.I agree that the pressure is all on Redbull first as they need to deliver again to win a third title and that is not such an easy task despite they have done it many years ago when they won 4 F1 Championships in the Vettel era,the first era of Redbull success.Then we have Mercedes as second in line for pressure as they improved themselves a lot during the last races of the last season and they even manage to win a race with Russell which now they will want to build up on that and fight for the title.Ferrari is the least worried about what will deliver and also their engineers,their focus is to improve and tune the car to perfection.

One team everyone has forgot though is McLaren,this is not because I am a fan of them but because they are the team that have started this year car development the earlier compared to all other teams so who knows what they can add to the table this season.

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 31, 2023, 08:54:09 PM

In 2022, Ferrari started out proving to be very competitive, winning two of the first three races but, as the championship progressed, the problems presented by the team paved the way for Red Bull's dominance, ending in Max Verstappen's second championship and in the Taurine conquest. of the Constructors' Championship.

However, there are indications that the Maranello team should be faster in 2023 due to several factors... on Pirelli tyres, especially the front ones to reduce the excess front output, something that was seen a lot in 2022, among other details. I think we will see fewer mistakes from Ferrari in 2023.

Ferrari will present the successor to the F1-75 on February 14th, we'll see what's new.

That's exactly why I said there are no pressures on the engineers of ferrari, or anyone in the ferrari team. The main idea is that Mercedes had so many titles in a row, and Hamilton has 7 titles, one away from being the sole owner of the record, he is now sharing it. So there was this idea that he could maybe become the champion again to win, and last year we have seen them suck big time and they were terrible.

Last two years Red Bull has won, and its their title to lose right now, so they will want to keep it, but I am not sure if they will be able to. On the other hand, Ferrari hasn't won anything and just disappointed their own fans. Which means that they have the least pressure because nobody expects them to actually win, everyone expects them to make mistakes to cost the championship instead Cheesy

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