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Quote from: tokeweed on February 20, 2023, 08:31:33 AM

LFG! So stoked we're gonna start the season in less than a couple of months.

of weeks!

Start of the season is in 20days.

Early schedule of the 3 days of tests.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/test-bahrain-2023-le-line-up-dei-team-ferrari-red-bull-haas-mercedes-alpine-mclaren-williams-alfa-romeo-alphatauri

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

Don't trust these cars we have seen at all.

Especially Mercedes and Redbull are known for presenting a car on filming day and having a different one during the tests.

That was a test, it was on f1 rumor mills all over twitter, and it wasn't a "different" car, it was testing car. Could you be right? Could they test with last years car and not this years car?

Maybe, maybe they would do that because of the whole rain situation and not risk any crash and lose money, but at the end of the day why would you want to test with an old car that was horrible? What could that gain you?

Why not put the new car and get all the information that you need? That just doesn't make sense to me at all. I think there is a possibility that the new car still as proposing problem and they may actually have a very hard time at the start of the season but they at least know the solution this time.

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I have heard of some experiment with a supercomputer about which driver on the grid would be the champion this season.

According to the calculations of this supercomputer, Verstappen will win his third championship in a row. Besides it calculated the 2nd and 3rd in the standings as Hamilton and Leclerc respectively. It doesn't seem unrealistic to me honestly. Because we still can't be sure of what Ferrari can really do this season yet. They claim that they have the strongest car now but the most important thing is to have a season without problems. Otherwise it doesn't matter how fast your car is. Apart from that, Verstappen is still the clear favourite. Hamilton can also have a great season depending on how much Mercedes have developed their car.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

I also saw that and I think it's a pretty serious problem considering that the bouncy problem is pretty dangerous for the car. Even though Mercedes has taken steps to address this issue, by adjusting the suspension, it seems that what Mercedes has done is not optimal and there needs to be improvisation on this issue. Hopefully this problem doesn't have a significant impact on Mercedes' performance this season.

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We are going in the week of the test for F1.
It will be the only week this year from Thursday to Saturday of the next week in Bahrain.

The weather will be sunny as usual.

The last year we got huge problems with sand and wind if you can remember.

LFG! So stoked we're gonna start the season in less than a couple of months.

A little line check on the odds for the outrights before we actually start...

Leading in the world driver's champioship to win is Verstappen with 1.73, followed by Hamilton with 4, then Leclerc with 6.

Constructors are as follows. Red Bull at first with 1.95, Mercedes next with 2.40, then Ferrari 5.75.

There are other fun bets out there like season H2H between drivers and season H2H between teams. Check it out... There's also a driver and constructor doubles market. Verstappen and Red Bull at 2.35 seems decent.

https://rollbit.com/sports?bt-path=%2F40

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

Don't trust these cars we have seen at all.

Especially Mercedes and Redbull are known for presenting a car on filming day and having a different one during the tests.

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The preparation for Mercedes is in any case a lot better than last year. Because then it soon turned out that it wouldn't work out at all in the battle for the championship. The year before they had pulled a nice trick with a distance setting that made them champions. Who should give Max a fight? Hamilton can only do that if he drives a top car. Mercedes was the big losses last year, especially because Hamilton had become world champion many times. It is a pity that Nick de Vries did not get a seat at Mercedes, but the competition there is also huge, of course. Max will be happy with Perez as 2nd driver.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

Too much play in the suspension, perhaps? This is the part where most manufacturers shifted their focus on, that and weight reduction with little tweaks to the engine. I'm yet to find this video but if the bounce is too much even at 75% power, there's no way they can go up against faster cars like Ferrari on straights. I think Mercedes can easily figure this out and put out a relatively safe solution without sacrificing much of the performance of their car. Saw some of their tests and they're posting quite good times already.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 19, 2023, 11:38:16 AM

Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

That would really be catastrophic for Mercedes if they make it that bad of a start as they did it last year.I am expecting their engineers to have listened to their drivers when they told them that they need to make the car a bit higher from ground than they originally did it and if they have not yet corrected it things will most likely go pretty badly for them.I think we have the official tests during the upcoming end of the week,starting from Tuesday to Thursday on 23-25 February in Barcelona and that is a wonderful track,one of my favorites to test the F1 cars,this testing will tell us a lot and we will pretty much be getting a true taste of the power of each car.

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Today I watched a video of Mercedes test run and it looked like they were still quite bouncy. Which means that if they are still as bouncy as last year, that would be terrible. And this was on rain, which means that they weren't even running at full speed and yet they still had the same issue, and if they run at full speed like a real race, it would be even worse. Either something was wrong for the test and they used like last years chassis or whatever I don't know the reason, or they will have the same issue again this year at first. I hope that they will figure that out, it would be a damn shame.

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Quote from: dezoel on February 19, 2023, 05:28:16 AM

One more thing to remember is that Red Bull was the best car last year AND they gained some momentum with the break. I mean everyone looks at this situation like Ferrari got better or Mercedes got better and all of that, but they are merely trying to reach Red Bull levels meanwhile Red Bull is still improving. So, those other teams needs to get better to reach RB first, but then also get better than them after that, which is a big difference.

I still think that Max is the one to beat and all the other teams are not there to win it this year, not yet anyway. Sure they may get better in the future, I am not saying RB will win it every year, but so far the difference is just too big for one summer to cover it and then some.

During the break, FIA changed the rules increasing the height of the car.

This was when Ferrari started to lose time and Mercedes started to be competitive again.

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One more thing to remember is that Red Bull was the best car last year AND they gained some momentum with the break. I mean everyone looks at this situation like Ferrari got better or Mercedes got better and all of that, but they are merely trying to reach Red Bull levels meanwhile Red Bull is still improving. So, those other teams needs to get better to reach RB first, but then also get better than them after that, which is a big difference.

I still think that Max is the one to beat and all the other teams are not there to win it this year, not yet anyway. Sure they may get better in the future, I am not saying RB will win it every year, but so far the difference is just too big for one summer to cover it and then some.

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We are going in the week of the test for F1.
It will be the only week this year from Thursday to Saturday of the next week in Bahrain.

The weather will be sunny as usual.

The last year we got huge problems with sand and wind if you can remember.

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There are teams who are already going for the 2026 car, which will be a lot more different than what they have right now. I know that it is not looking good for them but when you know you are not good enough, it is normal to look for the future. Mclaren is one of them, they already said that they will be better with the first updates, which is a way of saying they will suck at early season and have bad car, and they said they are already building for the future.

Aston Martin is the same, they are looking for the future and experiment a bit. These are all going to matter when 2026 comes, if a team truly spends a ton of money on that car instead of these years, they may get to be amazing.

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 16, 2023, 04:36:24 PM

Many teams tried to save paint and went with black this time around, which is definitely good for almost all teams except Red Bull and Ferrari, who went with their own colors, and that is going to be a bit harder.

Because that extra weight means reliability, and it means that if we have some engine issues like Ferrari did last year, having that extra weight could have helped them put that into engine and allow them to have a much faster car. In any case, black cars are the way to go this season, and if this many team did it, then there must be some benefit about it, and I think it is going to end up being a good case for Mercedes this season, specially if they stopped hopping around.

If they wanted to save some paint they prolly should've gone bare and let the metal shine thru... Just like the silver arrows Merc days or the McClarens back in the day. It makes the cars look like they have their own personality that's different from all the other cars in a way.

And engine issues are just really engine issues. When a team starts blaming the paint, you know something's def wrong as the paint should really the the cause of we a car is slow.

Anyway, we see the cars in action guys... Preseason testing at Bahrain is in 5 days.

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Alpine time!

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/nuova-alpine-a523-foto-gasly-ocon-presentazione-livrea-renault

They will race the 1st 3 GPs with a total pink car, later they will use the blue car.

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Many teams tried to save paint and went with black this time around, which is definitely good for almost all teams except Red Bull and Ferrari, who went with their own colors, and that is going to be a bit harder.

Because that extra weight means reliability, and it means that if we have some engine issues like Ferrari did last year, having that extra weight could have helped them put that into engine and allow them to have a much faster car. In any case, black cars are the way to go this season, and if this many team did it, then there must be some benefit about it, and I think it is going to end up being a good case for Mercedes this season, specially if they stopped hopping around.

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Mercedes is back and he is black again.

The official reason is to save weight from the paint Cool

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.first-look-mercedes-go-back-to-black-with-new-w14-for-2023-f1-season.3C2qTWAW2Z3zilTnBNhd2G.html

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 15, 2023, 10:18:17 AM

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I also feel like Ferrari will have the fastest car in this new season. Because they are saying that there is a big improvement in the engine by 30 horsepower.

This is a really big improvement indeed. Because they didn't see any other way than cutting the power by some rate last season to get ahead of serious issues. But now they are claiming that there is no need anymore. I really can't trust them completely yet as we are talking about Ferrari. Grin

We need to see them racing without the same problems for some weeks to be convinced about them. Then I can say my favourite for the championship will be Ferrari this time.

It won't just be the engine, I think Ferrari's chassis will be improved compared to last year, it's just a feeling that Ferrari will start the season the strongest. Mercedes and Red Bull will also have improved their engine/powertrain. The question is, like last year, will Ferrari have an advantage and can they eliminate their own mistakes?

I think we can watch a similar start to the one in the previous season. Ferrari would put on a good show with a fast car for a couple of races first. But the most important points is to be consistent of course.

I'm very hopeful that they won't be having durability problems again. On the other hand Mercedes also started to seem frightening to me. Even if Ferrari start strongly and fight at the same level with Red Bull, Mercedes also seem likely to join this competition. Mercedes also have introduced their car and it looks like they are back to black again. Grin

W14 might be another loved car for Mercedes if they have solved the biggest issues and gained some more power.

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