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Quote from: Distraction on February 13, 2023, 03:59:02 PM

I also feel like Ferrari will have the fastest car in this new season. Because they are saying that there is a big improvement in the engine by 30 horsepower.

This is a really big improvement indeed. Because they didn't see any other way than cutting the power by some rate last season to get ahead of serious issues. But now they are claiming that there is no need anymore. I really can't trust them completely yet as we are talking about Ferrari. Grin

We need to see them racing without the same problems for some weeks to be convinced about them. Then I can say my favourite for the championship will be Ferrari this time.

It won't just be the engine, I think Ferrari's chassis will be improved compared to last year, it's just a feeling that Ferrari will start the season the strongest. Mercedes and Red Bull will also have improved their engine/powertrain. The question is, like last year, will Ferrari have an advantage and can they eliminate their own mistakes?

I think we can watch a similar start to the one in the previous season. Ferrari would put on a good show with a fast car for a couple of races first. But the most important points is to be consistent of course.

I'm very hopeful that they won't be having durability problems again. On the other hand Mercedes also started to seem frightening to me. Even if Ferrari start strongly and fight at the same level with Red Bull, Mercedes also seem likely to join this competition. Mercedes also have introduced their car and it looks like they are back to black again. Grin

W14 might be another loved car for Mercedes if they have solved the biggest issues and gained some more power.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 14, 2023, 08:50:49 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2023, 03:51:11 AM

To be honest, this year I have the feeling that Ferrari has the strongest car, and if they stop making mistakes, they could have the strongest car the whole season. Last season, Ferrari definitely had the strongest car in the first half of the season and lost a lot of important points due to their own mistakes (strategy, pit stops, etc.).

My guess is that Ferrari will be the strongest car, followed closely by RedBull and Mercedes.

I agree, in part.

In 2022 Ferrari invested heavily in their cars after a long time of weak investments, but their strategic mistakes and car problems ended up causing us to quickly lose hope in Ferrari.

For this year, I believe they have learned from their mistakes and should have a much more coherent 2023 season, with these "adjusted" details.

However... Mercades will still be a "stone in the shoe" of Ferrari, I believe that it will be the main impediment for Ferrari to be able to reach the top positions.
Let's see how the teams and drivers will cope in the first few races so we can draw more conclusions about this.

Red Bull is still the team to beat, not only they have a great car, but everything is in place for them, a great driver, a great defensive helper, a great team principle, great car designer (newey, the best ever) and great engineers, so they are still the team to beat.

Ferrari made some changes with management, got a new TP, and build even a better car, and have some good drivers, but they made many mistakes and before we can say they are good, we need to see if they will make the same mistakes or not, if they don't then they have a chance to win, if they do then they will lose once again due to mistakes, and that is something we can't see before we see some races.

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Quote from: Distraction on February 13, 2023, 03:59:02 PM

I also feel like Ferrari will have the fastest car in this new season. Because they are saying that there is a big improvement in the engine by 30 horsepower.

This is a really big improvement indeed. Because they didn't see any other way than cutting the power by some rate last season to get ahead of serious issues. But now they are claiming that there is no need anymore. I really can't trust them completely yet as we are talking about Ferrari. Grin

We need to see them racing without the same problems for some weeks to be convinced about them. Then I can say my favourite for the championship will be Ferrari this time.

It won't just be the engine, I think Ferrari's chassis will be improved compared to last year, it's just a feeling that Ferrari will start the season the strongest. Mercedes and Red Bull will also have improved their engine/powertrain. The question is, like last year, will Ferrari have an advantage and can they eliminate their own mistakes?

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2023, 03:51:11 AM

To be honest, this year I have the feeling that Ferrari has the strongest car, and if they stop making mistakes, they could have the strongest car the whole season. Last season, Ferrari definitely had the strongest car in the first half of the season and lost a lot of important points due to their own mistakes (strategy, pit stops, etc.).

My guess is that Ferrari will be the strongest car, followed closely by RedBull and Mercedes.

I agree, in part.

In 2022 Ferrari invested heavily in their cars after a long time of weak investments, but their strategic mistakes and car problems ended up causing us to quickly lose hope in Ferrari.

For this year, I believe they have learned from their mistakes and should have a much more coherent 2023 season, with these "adjusted" details.

However... Mercades will still be a "stone in the shoe" of Ferrari, I believe that it will be the main impediment for Ferrari to be able to reach the top positions.
Let's see how the teams and drivers will cope in the first few races so we can draw more conclusions about this.

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Quote from: Distraction on February 13, 2023, 03:59:02 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2023, 03:51:11 AM

To be honest, this year I have the feeling that Ferrari has the strongest car, and if they stop making mistakes, they could have the strongest car the whole season. Last season, Ferrari definitely had the strongest car in the first half of the season and lost a lot of important points due to their own mistakes (strategy, pit stops, etc.).

My guess is that Ferrari will be the strongest car, followed closely by RedBull and Mercedes.

I also feel like Ferrari will have the fastest car in this new season. Because they are saying that there is a big improvement in the engine by 30 horsepower.

This is a really big improvement indeed. Because they didn't see any other way than cutting the power by some rate last season to get ahead of serious issues. But now they are claiming that there is no need anymore. I really can't trust them completely yet as we are talking about Ferrari. Grin

We need to see them racing without the same problems for some weeks to be convinced about them. Then I can say my favourite for the championship will be Ferrari this time.

these ferrari guys are amazing, the car improvement will be 1 second faster than the previous car, well so far it seems everything is fine in theory, Frederic Vasseur who became the new team boss was present at the presentation of the new car, which is a good thing because at least they will be able to improve something in the race, but the problem is that the drivers will be the same, Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz will continue, I am not a great specialist in car racing, until why am i entering this market now

but if a team of drivers makes a few mistakes that contribute to a drop in performance in a season, wouldn't it be more viable for ferrari to change everything? anyway the pilots seem to be very confident that they will perform well

Quote from: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.first-look-ferrari-reveal-their-2023-sf-23-f1-car-at-maranello.5WjlGOI2Lcxo6EzGcsOuHC.html

“Now it will be a new journey for the project, because the car will move to the race team. It’s a great feeling; when you are back on track, it’s like when you are back at school.

“I can feel that everybody is very proud of the job done and this feeling is very important for the motivation of everybody and for the season. It will be a quite long season, but the motivation is there and it’s crucial in terms of performance.”

source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.first-look-ferrari-reveal-their-2023-sf-23-f1-car-at-maranello.5WjlGOI2Lcxo6EzGcsOuHC.html

I have a feeling that we won't see many changes with these drivers in the races, as I'm new maybe I'm wrong

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Plenty of teams already showed their cars and one thing is common with all of them, which is the black paint. The colour of the paint matters because if you have more black paint, that means you are going to have lighter weight and when you have lighter weight, that matters because you can put that somewhere else.

Mclaren recently showed their semi-black car as well, a team famous for having so much colour, I understand Mercedes may have a lot of black but that is nearly team colours, aside from silver, but McLaren and Williams, orange and blue, becoming more black? That's basically proof that teams found something to use that weight for. This is also you don't see fat drivers, they are as skinny as they can be with strength to take on that G, they can't be 40kg, because then they would be too weak, but you won't see many 100kg drivers neither, just terrible for the weight and the pace.

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Ferrari will also have to open up a certain cast of tricks to ensure that they will compete for the championship. If it goes like last season, it will be an impossible task for them to become champions. Granted; they also had some bad luck in the past season, but Red Bull had that especially in the beginning. It doesn't look like anyone can threaten Red Bull yet, but they have also made some adjustments to the car. That could also lead to the car performing less. Standing still is going backwards in sport, but maybe in this case also if you've tinkered with the car and the car isn't as good and stable as you hoped.

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Ferrari is here and it is rumored they used a grey area of the regulation to get a top-speed advantage imitating the old S-Duch if you can remember it 5 ish years ago.

If they really did it, it would probably be 10km/h at top speed.

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Quote from: Luzin on February 10, 2023, 08:56:05 AM

Sure, even I think Ducati will still dominate this season. They have worked hard for the development of motoe. Last season they showed it. They also found drivers who were willing to work hard and provide constant feedback. So this moment looks like it will continue. Maybe 3-4 years. In the past, Honda was also very successful when it had the right drivers. This year, Ducati is the favorite to win. Even though I know this test is only the beginning, the best riders are still adapting. I think the second test the results will change.

During the three days of testing there were always changes and what was unique was that on the last day of the test at the Sepang circuit, the Mooney VR46 team, which used last year's version of the Ducati motorbike, again managed to become the fastest through its best racer Luca Marini with a top speed of 336.4KM /H even though the top speed was still narrowly inferior to that made by Bagnaia on the last day. But Luca Marini managed to score the best and fastest time of all the drivers who were there at that time.

Talking about the success of the MotoGP manufacturers in the past, where Ducati was still not very dominant (except in 2007) so what is often seen is the two Japanese manufacturers who often compete at the front, namely Honda and Yamaha. Because statistically the wins for these two manufacturers in MotoGP are very thin, although in recent years it has been Ducati that has begun to rise and have had success last year and it is still very possible for Ducati to repeat this season.

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Quote from: Distraction on February 13, 2023, 03:59:02 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2023, 03:51:11 AM

To be honest, this year I have the feeling that Ferrari has the strongest car, and if they stop making mistakes, they could have the strongest car the whole season. Last season, Ferrari definitely had the strongest car in the first half of the season and lost a lot of important points due to their own mistakes (strategy, pit stops, etc.).

My guess is that Ferrari will be the strongest car, followed closely by RedBull and Mercedes.

I also feel like Ferrari will have the fastest car in this new season. Because they are saying that there is a big improvement in the engine by 30 horsepower.

This is a really big improvement indeed. Because they didn't see any other way than cutting the power by some rate last season to get ahead of serious issues. But now they are claiming that there is no need anymore. I really can't trust them completely yet as we are talking about Ferrari. Grin

We need to see them racing without the same problems for some weeks to be convinced about them. Then I can say my favourite for the championship will be Ferrari this time.

Ferrari is quite inconsistent in their reports about their car, but they can damn sure create a powerful car that can breeze through corners and fly through straights if they wanted to. Their main problem is communication and strategies, as was evidenced last season. They have no problem in terms of their car and can compete to the best constructors out there. Just hope that they can do something about the additional power that they slap into their car and win some championships. Leclerc is a good driver, so is Sainz. They just have to get those timings in pit stops and they're golden.

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Quote from: Distraction on February 13, 2023, 03:59:02 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2023, 03:51:11 AM

To be honest, this year I have the feeling that Ferrari has the strongest car, and if they stop making mistakes, they could have the strongest car the whole season. Last season, Ferrari definitely had the strongest car in the first half of the season and lost a lot of important points due to their own mistakes (strategy, pit stops, etc.).

My guess is that Ferrari will be the strongest car, followed closely by RedBull and Mercedes.

I also feel like Ferrari will have the fastest car in this new season. Because they are saying that there is a big improvement in the engine by 30 horsepower.

This is a really big improvement indeed. Because they didn't see any other way than cutting the power by some rate last season to get ahead of serious issues. But now they are claiming that there is no need anymore. I really can't trust them completely yet as we are talking about Ferrari. Grin

We need to see them racing without the same problems for some weeks to be convinced about them. Then I can say my favourite for the championship will be Ferrari this time.

They have not promised anything officially to their "tifosi" for the upcoming season and that is a good decision by the team management.Every time they promised they didn't deliver and things changed to not good even when they started like last year by winning the first couple of races which dramatically increased their "tifosi" expectations.This year they have just said that there have been big improvements and that they have worked hard to fight to win every race of the calendar.

I think they have build a fast car but I am sure they are not the only team to have improved dramatically their car,most likely even other teams like Mercedes and Redbull have also done so.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2023, 03:51:11 AM

To be honest, this year I have the feeling that Ferrari has the strongest car, and if they stop making mistakes, they could have the strongest car the whole season. Last season, Ferrari definitely had the strongest car in the first half of the season and lost a lot of important points due to their own mistakes (strategy, pit stops, etc.).

My guess is that Ferrari will be the strongest car, followed closely by RedBull and Mercedes.

I also feel like Ferrari will have the fastest car in this new season. Because they are saying that there is a big improvement in the engine by 30 horsepower.

This is a really big improvement indeed. Because they didn't see any other way than cutting the power by some rate last season to get ahead of serious issues. But now they are claiming that there is no need anymore. I really can't trust them completely yet as we are talking about Ferrari. Grin

We need to see them racing without the same problems for some weeks to be convinced about them. Then I can say my favourite for the championship will be Ferrari this time.

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New Mclaren here it seems they have a real front wing.

It seems they are going to Mercedes direction with a very thin car on sides

Pic Source: https://www.mclaren.com/racing/2023/car-launch/mclaren-celebrates-landmark-anniversary-new-driver-line-up-for-mcl60/

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 09, 2023, 09:25:05 AM

So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?

To be honest, this year I have the feeling that Ferrari has the strongest car, and if they stop making mistakes, they could have the strongest car the whole season. Last season, Ferrari definitely had the strongest car in the first half of the season and lost a lot of important points due to their own mistakes (strategy, pit stops, etc.).

My guess is that Ferrari will be the strongest car, followed closely by RedBull and Mercedes.

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The last time was a flop when the new Red Bull car was presented. It turned out to be the same car with a different sticker here and there. At least that's how Max Verstappen himself put it. Soon we would really see the new car from Red Bull. They turn out to have built a great car again. However, I am also curious about how the competition has done in recent months? Sitting still is a decline in this sport, but can Red Bull be kept up if you look at last season? There is no better driver than Verstappen, but with a bad car Verstappen will not become world champion, of course.

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Another fake car, this time Alpha Tauri and luckily it will be the last rendering.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/alphatauri-new-york-moda-motori-insieme

From after tomorrow I think the real presentations of the big ones will start and soon after we will have some testing and then soon after that we will be watching the first 2023 F1 race and that is just awesome!

I am personally not that much interested in the real car presentations as I am in seeing how well will they perform in the very short time testing that we will have before starting the season,I think we will have just 2 or a maximum of 3 days of testing and that is a very short amount of time to gather real data on different cars and their performance,for me the real measurement of how well a car performs will be the official qualifying of the first race.

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Another fake car, this time Alpha Tauri and luckily it will be the last rendering.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/alphatauri-new-york-moda-motori-insieme

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Quote from: püsür on February 12, 2023, 02:49:29 PM

Lewis Hamilton is the greatest example of the 'dominating is disliked' thesis. Since he has been the champion for years every season, people got bored and started to hate him with the psychology of competing and seeing another champion. It is said that he will lose this year in every competition, and every year he wins again, causing anger to accumulate. On the other hand, Schumacher was a more nasty character, almost killing his former teammate Barichello in the race. The crew who is waving to lewis now worships Schumi, but Schumi was also disliked when he dominated, years later he gained value. It will be the same for Sir. Max will be hated if he continues like this.

People appreciate greatness when they see one, but they certainly don't want to see the same person in the pedestal for a long period of time. It just wears out their 'respect' for that person even though that person is truly showing talent and skill. Hamilton doesn't really deserve all the hate. He's a top chap and has shown his character is, for the most part, likeable. It's not his problem that his team built the most dominant car for years, helping him achieve championships after championships. To be honest, I only watched F1 again because of Hamilton and Bottas and their synergy on the track a few years back. Had it not been for Hamilton, I would not be following F1 after Schumacher retired.

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Lewis Hamilton is the greatest example of the 'dominating is disliked' thesis. Since he has been the champion for years every season, people got bored and started to hate him with the psychology of competing and seeing another champion. It is said that he will lose this year in every competition, and every year he wins again, causing anger to accumulate. On the other hand, Schumacher was a more nasty character, almost killing his former teammate Barichello in the race. The crew who is waving to lewis now worships Schumi, but Schumi was also disliked when he dominated, years later he gained value. It will be the same for Sir. Max will be hated if he continues like this.

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I think Haas did something similar to that, got Mick and Mazepin, one of them just brought in only money and nothing else, the other brought in some attention and sponsorships because of his father. Basically that duo was there to make sure Haas spent absolutely nothing and just made profit and used that money for last years car, and now this years of course.

With both of those drivers gone and they have hulkenberg with magnussen, that means that we are going to see them be awesome for sure. Same could happen with Alpha Tauri, or any team that wants to be good, hire 2 cheap racers who bring in money, suck for a few years, and use that to get better car and kick the drivers and get better ones for the better car.

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