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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 07, 2023, 10:30:35 AM

Another car, another rendering.

I hate this shit they could just don't do these presentations at all.

https://i.imgur.com/TolKJXN.png

Source: https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/1622596594955702278

The thing about F1 car reveals is it's not really about the cars and the technical specs of the cars per se. That comes later for a myriad of reasons. They prolly don't want other teams copying their stuff or the real car isn't ready yet.. Who knows. But yeah, the car reveals is mostly about the livery and showing the sponsors. It's a marketing and PR thing.

That's why I've mostly stopped getting excited for these before the season reveals as we don't really learn a lot about the cars. That comes during FP1 of the first racing event.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on February 07, 2023, 04:02:02 PM

The penalty that Red Bull has imposed can have a considerable influence on the coming season. According to the team boss, this will save a lot of seconds because they are allowed to drive much less time in certain test tunnels. What I do wonder is why the World Championship title is not taken away and given to Hamilton? The regulations have clearly been violated, you have to see it as an athlete who has used doping, then a medal is also withdrawn with retroactive effect. We've seen that happen before with the OS. But Red Bull has only had a fine and also a light test penalty. They got away with that quite easily to be honest.

This has been discussed several times and I think the Redbull Championship will not be removed from them.This can serve as an incentive to other teams though for this season to greatly surpass the limit set by FIA as they most likely will get away with a fine too,but by spending more money to develop the car,these other teams will have much better possibilities to fight Redbull much closer than they did last year and I assume that is why they are not making it a big deal for the Redbull team that have broken the rules of the 2022 season.

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The penalty that Red Bull has imposed can have a considerable influence on the coming season. According to the team boss, this will save a lot of seconds because they are allowed to drive much less time in certain test tunnels. What I do wonder is why the World Championship title is not taken away and given to Hamilton? The regulations have clearly been violated, you have to see it as an athlete who has used doping, then a medal is also withdrawn with retroactive effect. We've seen that happen before with the OS. But Red Bull has only had a fine and also a light test penalty. They got away with that quite easily to be honest.

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Another car, another rendering.

I hate this shit they could just don't do these presentations at all.

https://i.imgur.com/TolKJXN.png

Source: https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/1622596594955702278

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Ford is also interested for 2026 to be in F1!

The move that is making teams want to enter is the use of synthetic fuels.
They want to enter formula 1 to develop the technology and then use it in normal cars.

Yup and the partnership isn't something new. Ford and Red Bull were partners before when Red Bull was still Jaguar before it was bought be the Austrian company. So good to see Ford back with their former partner and see them manufacture new power units.

I also just heard that Ferrari offered Christian Horner a deal to join the Italian team..? Is this true or is it just a rumor? It's funny if they really tried to poach Horner away from RBR. They should've tried years ago and offered big money for Horner, Vettel and Newey as a package. If they got those three, I think it's possible that Ferrari would've won at least one driver's championship and a constructor's championship.

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Quote from: Luzin on February 03, 2023, 11:24:17 AM

Sure I think 40% is unreasonable. Almost half of the income. Though I just found out that India is also just going to hold this big event. If I'm not mistaken, WSBK has also cancelled the race there. But it should make more sense for the Indian government to collect taxes. Maybe they need to discuss to make a win-win decision.

Dorna itself is also waiting for the government and authorities in the country to discuss this matter, especially about the large amount of tax that they make in the regulations or what they want from the MotoGP organizers. And actually there is nothing to be sorry about if MotoGP and WSBK don't race there, because Dorna still has 20 races at other circuits and can see other circuits that are more appropriate in the 2024 season if Dorna wants 21 races in each MotoGP season.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on February 04, 2023, 04:05:51 PM

I come across a simple argument about this. First of all, when liberty took over, they did something amazing with "drive to survive" thing, which allowed people to see formula 1 on netflix and gained them a ton of new viewers, there are millions of people who are new to formula one, literally do not even know the period when Vettel won, they are brand new.

But, this also meant that it is a lot more marketing heavy, and Ford joining means they could do great marketing now, because it is not just a loss, yes you spend some but there is a cap, so you spend not so much and then you get a ton of new customers if you win, even if you lose you still get a lot of customers because now marketing is much better.

A season costs only 150m $ and for those teams is nothing.

Even if they end the season earning 0 $ as RBR and Ferrari and Mercedes do, they earn through marketing.

Basically, they pay 150m $ for marketing, every year.

That marketing in the end and in the long term pays much better than 150m dollars so that is why this sport is considered the richest sport in terms of technology because soccer nowadays with artificial price increases of players sometimes can even be bigger than F1 spendings which is really high.

I like to think also that Ford is not in the best of their days and most likely missing the projected amount of sales and what better than join F1 in order to achieve their goals.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 04, 2023, 05:52:11 PM

A season costs only 150m $ and for those teams is nothing.

Even if they end the season earning 0 $ as RBR and Ferrari and Mercedes do, they earn through marketing.

Basically, they pay 150m $ for marketing, every year.

I agree, that's the point of this. I mean sure, there are ones like Haas and Williams, which are losing money, but they are probably making enough from sponsorships to continue, and from the league as well. Which means that they are going to continue for a while longer. I remember clearly back in the day when teams changed names all the time, it still exists to this day, we had renoult and racing point and all that till recently.

All in all, F1 is very expensive for a lot of companies aside from a few, and doesn't make sense to spend it neither. Just to explain further, apple and google and microsoft could have their own teams, spend a billion dollars per year, and they would still be fine, because they are rich, but it wouldn't mean anything. Whereas Mercedes or Ferrari or Red Bull could spend this money, and their marketing in return does mean something because it's related, they can sell more, google won't be used more just because they won F1 but mercedes may sell more cars.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on February 04, 2023, 04:05:51 PM

I come across a simple argument about this. First of all, when liberty took over, they did something amazing with "drive to survive" thing, which allowed people to see formula 1 on netflix and gained them a ton of new viewers, there are millions of people who are new to formula one, literally do not even know the period when Vettel won, they are brand new.

But, this also meant that it is a lot more marketing heavy, and Ford joining means they could do great marketing now, because it is not just a loss, yes you spend some but there is a cap, so you spend not so much and then you get a ton of new customers if you win, even if you lose you still get a lot of customers because now marketing is much better.

A season costs only 150m $ and for those teams is nothing.

Even if they end the season earning 0 $ as RBR and Ferrari and Mercedes do, they earn through marketing.

Basically, they pay 150m $ for marketing, every year.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 03, 2023, 05:00:06 PM

Ford is also interested for 2026 to be in F1!

The move that is making teams want to enter is the use of synthetic fuels.
They want to enter formula 1 to develop the technology and then use it in normal cars.

I come across a simple argument about this. First of all, when liberty took over, they did something amazing with "drive to survive" thing, which allowed people to see formula 1 on netflix and gained them a ton of new viewers, there are millions of people who are new to formula one, literally do not even know the period when Vettel won, they are brand new.

But, this also meant that it is a lot more marketing heavy, and Ford joining means they could do great marketing now, because it is not just a loss, yes you spend some but there is a cap, so you spend not so much and then you get a ton of new customers if you win, even if you lose you still get a lot of customers because now marketing is much better.

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Ford is also interested for 2026 to be in F1!

The move that is making teams want to enter is the use of synthetic fuels.
They want to enter formula 1 to develop the technology and then use it in normal cars.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 01, 2023, 09:20:11 PM

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

They will use the new empowered engine from Ferrari so they will have a big boost for sure.
For the rest it is hard to say right now even looking at the car, the secrets if the have, are hidden.

Considering they have been better last year compared to previous years, and they now have 2 great drivers instead of 2 rookie drivers like they used to have, that means they are going to be better. Between hulkenberg and magnussen, they will definitely be better this year, on top of that they will have the ferrari engine, but we do not know if ferrari added that horse power and helped haas get that too, or did they just fixed it themselves and not tell haas what the issue was, in any case, haas engineers will see it and will probably figure it out eventually anyway.

This is why I think we are getting pretty close to consider Haas being middle of the pack type of team compared to being at the very bottom.

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As always RBR is using a fake car this time in rendering too Roll Eyes

One more reason for hating them.

Source: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1621521390473199616

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Quote from: Davian144 on February 03, 2023, 10:42:07 AM

It hurts a little if the MotoGP race in India is actually canceled by Dorna because it is hindered by the high amount of taxes that must be resolved immediately to the authorities there. I found this news on two different sites where one is in the

Sure I think 40% is unreasonable. Almost half of the income. Though I just found out that India is also just going to hold this big event. If I'm not mistaken, WSBK has also cancelled the race there. But it should make more sense for the Indian government to collect taxes. Maybe they need to discuss to make a win-win decision.

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It hurts a little if the MotoGP race in India is actually canceled by Dorna because it is hindered by the high amount of taxes that must be resolved immediately to the authorities there. I found this news on two different sites where one is in the local media and the other is on speedweek.com

According to Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta, preparations for the races in Kazakhstan and India are proceeding as planned. But it's no secret that Formula 1 CEO Stefano Domenicali won't be going to India with the World Cup because tax regulations make smooth running nearly impossible. Dorna is also awaiting final written confirmation that the authorities will lift India's strict tax regime for the 2023 MotoGP event. _{Reference Source: https://www.speedweek.com/motogp/news/203733/Indien-GP-2023-Werden-die-Steuerprobleme-geloest.html}

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Quote from: retreat on February 03, 2023, 09:47:01 AM

Right now I'm watching the live streaming of the launch of the RB19 by Red Bull and I'm very excited to be able to see how the RB19 looks like and the various features it has. It looks like it will be a competitive car and it will be quite difficult for competitors like Ferrari or Mercedes to be able to compete with this car. Really looking forward to how the performance of this car will be in the current season.

They still have Adrian Newey one of the McLaren architect for Hamilton title in 2008 and also before he was considered in F1 as one of the greatest and smartest aerodynamics engineer so I am not surprised if the design looks awesome and everything should be true about this car being competitive.

However I don't think we can talk before seeing the Mercedes and Ferrari cars how they will look that they will have difficulties to beat Redbull,all the teams have started the development of 2023 season early in 2022 and as such I expect better competition for this season but of course Redbull still is the team to beat.

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Right now I'm watching the live streaming of the launch of the RB19 by Red Bull and I'm very excited to be able to see how the RB19 looks like and the various features it has. It looks like it will be a competitive car and it will be quite difficult for competitors like Ferrari or Mercedes to be able to compete with this car. Really looking forward to how the performance of this car will be in the current season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 02, 2023, 05:19:16 PM

Quote from: alegotardo on February 01, 2023, 09:20:11 PM

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

They will use the new empowered engine from Ferrari so they will have a big boost for sure.
For the rest it is hard to say right now even looking at the car, the secrets if the have, are hidden.

I honestly can't imagine that Haas has made a big leap in performance, why should they? Haas has a very low budget and is very dependent on the Ferrari powertrain anyway, and I don't think they can do that much in the wind tunnel, it will be back to the back of the grid in the new season.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 01, 2023, 09:20:11 PM

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

They will use the new empowered engine from Ferrari so they will have a big boost for sure.
For the rest it is hard to say right now even looking at the car, the secrets if the have, are hidden.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 01, 2023, 09:20:11 PM

Has the Haas performance also changed radically?

I'm also keen on the numbers this beauty is posting currently. It would be a shame if the change is only on its aesthetics and the performance is left behind, but I doubt it. Most constructors will surely crank up the numbers that their machine can produce that still meets the regulation. Just by looking at the sleek body of this car, you can tell that Haas has somewhat touched the aerodynamic side of things and not just changed its color due to its new primary sponsor. Hopefully we can get a sneak peek of its performance during testing, which is a good 3 weeks from now (Feb 23 - 25)

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