I just can't wait for next year to see how Perez vs Max will be. It's clearly that the fracture between them has been produce and it cannot be undone. Max know has to think well what if RedBull won't have a winning car next year, what it's next for him ? He's tight to RedBull until 2028 lmao ...that's a pretty huge deal if you ask me and RedBull won't dominate F1 for so many years.
Rumors about Binotto getting replaced seems legit and whenever they decline statements like this ...the decision was already made by them to sack Binotto but they will announce it officially after the season ends.
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November 16, 2022, 06:21:41 AM
November 16, 2022, 03:58:52 AM
After Alvaro Bautista celebrated this season's world champion at WSBK. According to local news sources, for the time being there are five unique similarities between the world champion won by Alvaro Bautista and the world champion won by Francesco Bagnaia, they are;
And the possibility of having six equations is also still very open for Alvaro Bautista because considering that WSBK still has one leg series in Australia and if Alvaro Bautista is able to bring Ducati to a triple crown in WSBK, then it will be the sixth equation for Alvaro Bautista with Francesco Bagnaia in each championship.
- Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista are both world champions with Ducati motorcycles and factory teams
- Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both beat riders on motorbikes and factory Yamaha teams
- Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both won the world title from a driver with the status of defending champion
- Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both claim world titles in their fourth season racing in each other's championships
- Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both won the first world title in the premier class in their respective championships and their second world title in general
And the possibility of having six equations is also still very open for Alvaro Bautista because considering that WSBK still has one leg series in Australia and if Alvaro Bautista is able to bring Ducati to a triple crown in WSBK, then it will be the sixth equation for Alvaro Bautista with Francesco Bagnaia in each championship.
November 16, 2022, 12:48:22 AM
Quartararo got a surprise receive prize YZR-M1 from Yamaha Motor Racing when Attending the event in Milan. This is not usual because the biker will get a motor prize when got the champion. Maybe the official wants to motivate him like in 2021 when got the title, but I don't think so interested because the problem speed is still unresolved, YZR-M1 is still slower than Ducati, which they have to solve immediately before race 2023 begins.
November 15, 2022, 05:07:55 PM
Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto. He's the best technical guy they've had in years. I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship... Maybe within three seasons or so. But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy... I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.
I'm not sure about Binotto. He had goal to become champions, but in seasons in Ferrari, they weren't even near to it. Ferrari mostly failed in strategy, he is directly responsible for it, but when something goes wrong, usually head of team have to take responsibily.BTW, remember former Ferrari boss Arrivabene. I'm interested what he is doing now. And seems that he is CEO of Juventus FC. Very unexpected, I thought that he is still working somewhere in Ferrari.
November 15, 2022, 04:48:52 PM
Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto. He's the best technical guy they've had in years. I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship... Maybe within three seasons or so. But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy... I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.
We got more speculation later in the day about a change of rule for Binotto in Ferrari (he is after all a motor engineer and not a really "race" engineer) and a change with the Vasseur for leading the team.
Again the rumor has been turned off by Ferrari but the media here in Italy are very sure about it, so IDK what to think about.
November 15, 2022, 03:18:12 PM
We got a rumor in the day about the sacking of Binotto but it seems it has been classified as FAKE news by Ferrari.
Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto. He's the best technical guy they've had in years. I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship... Maybe within three seasons or so. But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy... I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.
November 15, 2022, 11:38:19 AM
I don't think anyone should give back their own position. But here Verstappen didn't rise to that position by himself, he was ahead tactically, but he couldn't catch the front group, so the tactic didn't work. Normally I'm against such relocations, but here Verstappen should have given his place back. If such tactics will not be implemented, why do teams compete with two pilots? Then everyone race alone.
On the other hand, it was funny that Leclerc wanted a position when there was little difference between him and Alonso. In such a situation, relocating would be quite risky. Moreover, the podium was Sainz's right. It was a strange request, but luckily it went unanswered.
On the other hand, it was funny that Leclerc wanted a position when there was little difference between him and Alonso. In such a situation, relocating would be quite risky. Moreover, the podium was Sainz's right. It was a strange request, but luckily it went unanswered.
It's very strange what happened there, Perez was rightly pissed off in my opinion, I think there's still a lot to talk about within the team. Apparently it was a kind of payback for Monaco, but I still don't understand it, Verstappen is not a team player, Perez also let him pass, as you wrote, to try to catch up with the front runners.
November 15, 2022, 10:49:23 AM
We got a rumor in the day about the sacking of Binotto but it seems it has been classified as FAKE news by Ferrari.
November 15, 2022, 10:25:36 AM
The last race of the season can be so much fun due to the competition for the second spot in the standings. Maybe Russell also has a chance mathematically but it is quite low comparing to Leclerc and Perez's. Depending on how strong Ferrari will be, Leclerc can do this I believe.
If Sainz can perform accordingly and help Charles get in a better position then it's entirely possible, otherwise it's just another ruined run for the Monaco-born driver. He had a good run all throughout this season and always a nail-biter against Perez, especially in times when Sainz is just far back and just chilling. The podium swap could have easily given Leclerc more points and a higher chance of stealing that 2nd place, but I still don't buy the reason that Sainz never heard anything from the radio all those times.
I also think that he didn't heard in the radio is just an excuse,it was not a defect during the race and he talked several times with his team through the radio during that race,how come the only time when he needed to give a position to his team mate he didn't heard.
Both Ferrari drivers did not excel during this year despite Leclerc winning some races and quite some pole positions,things would have been different if most of these races would not have been screwed by the Ferrari team management.
Let's leave it to the last race then which we welcome this weekend in the Yas Marina circuit in Abu Dhabi,which I think it will be a beautiful night race to end the season in class.
November 15, 2022, 09:04:02 AM
Yup... Very embarassing. But if you read into it, it looks like Perez did something really naughtly at Monaco this season. Perez was caught to have admitted that he deliberately crashed at Monaco quali to cause a red flag, deprive Verstappen for a chance at pole and get the pole position himself. In the radio at Brazil, Verstsppen was saying something like 'you know my reasons, we've talked about this' when he didn't follow team orders to let Perez pass. There' something going on behind all this. And I don't think Perez gets a new contract after his current one...
My first reaction when i saw the race and Verstappen did not give back that position to his team mate Perez even though he desperately needed that points was also that Verstappen is such selfish and arrogant idiot. Then i read about that rumors that Perez crashed intentionally in the qualifying in Monaco in order to prevent Verstappen and other drivers to place in front of him. That back then happened when the championship was still completely open so if this is true then this really was a very dirty and damaging move from Perez and i can understand Verstappen if he still does not want to help Perez after this.
I guess Perez will have to leave Red Bull after this season.
November 14, 2022, 06:37:03 PM
The last race of the season can be so much fun due to the competition for the second spot in the standings. Maybe Russell also has a chance mathematically but it is quite low comparing to Leclerc and Perez's. Depending on how strong Ferrari will be, Leclerc can do this I believe.
If Sainz can perform accordingly and help Charles get in a better position then it's entirely possible, otherwise it's just another ruined run for the Monaco-born driver. He had a good run all throughout this season and always a nail-biter against Perez, especially in times when Sainz is just far back and just chilling. The podium swap could have easily given Leclerc more points and a higher chance of stealing that 2nd place, but I still don't buy the reason that Sainz never heard anything from the radio all those times.
November 14, 2022, 05:54:47 PM
Everybody knows, Verstappen is a great driver and a little man, the past speaks for itself.
I've also seen a TikTok video, not sure if it was authentic where he said he pushed Hamilton on purpose to ruin his race, again not sure if it was a true video or a fan fake video.
I've also seen a TikTok video, not sure if it was authentic where he said he pushed Hamilton on purpose to ruin his race, again not sure if it was a true video or a fan fake video.
I think that video could be fake most probably. Because I don't see any reason for Verstappen to do this to Hamilton on purpose. Let's say Hamilton did something big to him before and Verstappen was very angry about it then I would expect Verstappen to try to destroy his race. Because he is really serious about this kind of topics as we have seen an example between him and Perez recently. Verstappen must have done that to Perez for a reason as well. When he was asked about the reason like whether it could be related to the incident in Monaco, he just talked implicatively. It must definitely be the reason.
The last race of the season can be so much fun due to the competition for the second spot in the standings. Maybe Russell also has a chance mathematically but it is quite low comparing to Leclerc and Perez's. Depending on how strong Ferrari will be, Leclerc can do this I believe.
November 14, 2022, 05:29:51 PM
I think it's a bit embarrassing that Verstappen, who is already the world champion, doesn't want to help Perez to become a safe vice world champion. I think he has already forgotten what Perez did for Verstappen last season, just think of the final where he kept Hamilton behind him for a long time.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
Everybody knows, Verstappen is a great driver and a little man, the past speaks for itself.
I've also seen a TikTok video, not sure if it was authentic where he said he pushed Hamilton on purpose to ruin his race, again not sure if it was a true video or a fan fake video.
November 14, 2022, 05:12:43 PM
I think it's a bit embarrassing that Verstappen, who is already the world champion, doesn't want to help Perez to become a safe vice world champion. I think he has already forgotten what Perez did for Verstappen last season, just think of the final where he kept Hamilton behind him for a long time.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
Yup... Very embarassing. But if you read into it, it looks like Perez did something really naughtly at Monaco this season. Perez was caught to have admitted that he deliberately crashed at Monaco quali to cause a red flag, deprive Verstappen for a chance at pole and get the pole position himself. In the radio at Brazil, Verstsppen was saying something like 'you know my reasons, we've talked about this' when he didn't follow team orders to let Perez pass. There' something going on behind all this. And I don't think Perez gets a new contract after his current one...
November 14, 2022, 05:10:55 PM
I think it's a bit embarrassing that Verstappen, who is already the world champion, doesn't want to help Perez to become a safe vice world champion. I think he has already forgotten what Perez did for Verstappen last season, just think of the final where he kept Hamilton behind him for a long time.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
His behavior in the 2022 brazilian GP not only caused him to fall out with his current teammate, he also made a move that would make it difficult for the redbull team to choose a quality and reinable second driver in the coming seasons. Max's attitude is clear, he says, as long as I exist, you will set everything up on me. However, in a tight championship competition, for example, when there are good mercedes ferrari rivals, perhaps he may have lost the support he could get from Perez. He could think about it and give way. He may have done something to cause trouble for himself, not just for Perez. But that's Max.Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
There is still time to fix what he did in the last race so we should not judge Max for what he did in Brazil.He was fighting his way and it was Hamilton that put him out of the race despite race commissars saying otherwise.All of the people here who are making it look like it is the end of the world if he does not help Perez gets the second place,remember that only the first place is for the winner and the second place as has been said by a couple of F1 drivers is for dogs,it means absolutely nothing,in fact if someone wins it with the same car as the winner of the season it just emphasizes that this second driver is not that capable because he did not put up a fight with his team mate despite having the same car.
Perez is just another Barrichello and another Bottas to winners like Schumacher and Hamilton so I don't know why we should make it this big if he does not become 2nd overall and most probably he will in the last the race.
November 14, 2022, 02:54:08 PM
I think it's a bit embarrassing that Verstappen, who is already the world champion, doesn't want to help Perez to become a safe vice world champion. I think he has already forgotten what Perez did for Verstappen last season, just think of the final where he kept Hamilton behind him for a long time.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
His behavior in the 2022 brazilian GP not only caused him to fall out with his current teammate, he also made a move that would make it difficult for the redbull team to choose a quality and reinable second driver in the coming seasons. Max's attitude is clear, he says, as long as I exist, you will set everything up on me. However, in a tight championship competition, for example, when there are good mercedes ferrari rivals, perhaps he may have lost the support he could get from Perez. He could think about it and give way. He may have done something to cause trouble for himself, not just for Perez. But that's Max. Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
November 14, 2022, 02:35:44 PM
Checo deserved that extra 2 points. I don't care what Max gave as his reason for not giving up the position and I understand that he may feel like he has given his reasons to the team for not doing something like that or whatever, but I do not care and so doesn't tens of thousands if not millions of people as well.
We all seen Perez keeping Hamilton at bay and slowing him down for 10 seconds last year on the very last race which allowed Max to be very close to win the race after safety car, without Checo then there wouldn't be a championship last year, and yet for some reason Max was mad and didn't give up the position, which will cause a lot of people to stop being his fan, that’s a terrible move.
We all seen Perez keeping Hamilton at bay and slowing him down for 10 seconds last year on the very last race which allowed Max to be very close to win the race after safety car, without Checo then there wouldn't be a championship last year, and yet for some reason Max was mad and didn't give up the position, which will cause a lot of people to stop being his fan, that’s a terrible move.
November 14, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
Funny that there was another incident between Perez and Verstappen. Who would be right here? You should never tolerate that kind of behavior from either driver. In my opinion, that is unprofessional. The public and people on TV see and hear that happening too. But hey, they are and remain human beings and they all have emotions. It seemed as if Verstappen did not want Perez. Don't know if that will affect future races. Verstappen is a bad loser, but often he wins. Nice win from Russell (finally)
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November 14, 2022, 01:20:39 PM
Things are going really bad between Verstappen and Perez indeed. I think that both drivers have burned the bridges from now on. Perez was disappointed and Verstappen didn't even care about it. Maybe Verstappen is the champion and the most important driver for the team also. But this doesn't give the right of being disrespectful against his teammate. Perez helped Verstappen a lot for him to win the championship last season. Especially the last race of the season is a great example for that.
I don't think Perez will be this much helpful from now on. I know that the team calls are still very important but Perez might not be this much soft even against them also.
I don't think Perez will be this much helpful from now on. I know that the team calls are still very important but Perez might not be this much soft even against them also.
November 14, 2022, 11:52:02 AM
I think it's a bit embarrassing that Verstappen, who is already the world champion, doesn't want to help Perez to become a safe vice world champion. I think he has already forgotten what Perez did for Verstappen last season, just think of the final where he kept Hamilton behind him for a long time.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.
I don't think anyone should give back their own position. But here Verstappen didn't rise to that position by himself, he was ahead tactically, but he couldn't catch the front group, so the tactic didn't work. Normally I'm against such relocations, but here Verstappen should have given his place back. If such tactics will not be implemented, why do teams compete with two pilots? Then everyone race alone.
On the other hand, it was funny that Leclerc wanted a position when there was little difference between him and Alonso. In such a situation, relocating would be quite risky. Moreover, the podium was Sainz's right. It was a strange request, but luckily it went unanswered.
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