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Max Verstappen spoke to the mics before leaving for the weekend in China, declaring that he has no intention of leaving Redbull.
Do you think it's true or that he only stated it to calm things down after the numerous rumors that have spread in recent weeks?

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If that's really true then that means the guy who's gonna be given the sack is Christian Horner. And that also means the possbility of losing him too. I say yes please. It's been a while since we've seen some shake up happen in F1 that would change title winning implications. Imagine Horner and Newey at Ferrari and with Hamilton winning his record breaking WDC under their management...

Making history is something everybody wants to see in sporting events even if it means the team they support loses... Many people won't admit it tho.

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Quote from: Distraction on April 19, 2024, 05:23:21 AM

The sprint qualifying has ended and we got really surprising results.

Yep rain changed everything.

Ferrari was supposed to be very competitive accoridg to the mass media here but even with the dry track they were behind.

Atleast it will be a fun race to watch with Max behind and his overtakes.

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The sprint qualifying has ended and we got really surprising results.

Rainy weather changed the odds all of a sudden. Norris got the pole for the sprint race tomorrow morning. First his lap time was removed due to track limits but after the end of the session it came back. Grin

Verstappen had some difficulties in having a smooth lap which made me happy as we saw different results. Tongue

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Max Verstappen spoke to the mics before leaving for the weekend in China, declaring that he has no intention of leaving Redbull.
Do you think it's true or that he only stated it to calm things down after the numerous rumors that have spread in recent weeks?

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It must be really relieving for Red Bull side to hear about that.

There have been many speculations regarding he would leave lately. However I wonder if he would still think the same if Red Bull turns out not to have the fastest car as of 2026 season... Huh

Because Verstappen is a driver with winner mentality and I'm not sure if he would like to drive for a team other than the number 1.

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I do not think that Red Bull and Ferrari are as close as people think they are. I think the only reason why Ferrari even won any race this season was because Max got a reliability issue, and he had to retire the car, if he kept it going I am sure that he would have won that race too. That is the way Red Bull is this season, as they were last season as well.

They are so much better, and the thing is last season Perez wasn't that great, he finished many races in not second place, and whereas he is finishing most of the season this year at second place as well showing that it is not just Max being Max, it's the car this season completely because Perez is doing amazing as well and that can only happen with car being great.

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Max Verstappen spoke to the mics before leaving for the weekend in China, declaring that he has no intention of leaving Redbull.
Do you think it's true or that he only stated it to calm things down after the numerous rumors that have spread in recent weeks?

Wheater update: wet track can be a possibiity

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 17, 2024, 05:02:59 PM

Journalists started talking about the next Chinese GP with their predictions.

there is talk of a Redbull always at an advantage but with a reduced gap on Ferrari, the track seems very favorable to the Italian team.

Ferrari hasn't won in China for a decade, is this really the right time?

I hope so... I'm mostly an RBR fan but I feel like I've been hating them a lot lately and would love to see them lose against Ferrari. Lol. But let's see.

But sports journos usually write something just to get your attention. Doesn't have to be what they really think. Some of the time, they're just made up... I'm guessing the journalists are from Italy? If yes, that's prolly to make Italian fans more interested in the Chinese GP.

Edit: Verstappen to win is at 1.05. :/ Perez next at 17 then Sainz and Leclerc at 31 each.

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By the way have you heard about the latest news - or should I say rumours? Tongue

- Adrian Newey is in close contact with Ferrari recently and this big transfer could really get real!

- Red Bull is in talks with Sainz while Audi is also trying to convince him to driver for themselves as of 2026.

Adrian Newey, Hamilton and Bono... If all of these names are seen at Ferrari at the same time then I would be very impatient for next season. Grin

When it comes to Red Bull - Sainz it would be a really sensible deal if one of the seats get ready for him.

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Quote from: joniboini on April 17, 2024, 10:15:48 AM

Yeah, that's why it feels surprising seeing how I can see similarities between Rossi-Marquez to Marquez-Acosta or whoever showed a lot of promise as a rookie. This is obviously a simplification and I'm not going to call Acosta the next Marquez or something along those lines, it is just interesting to see. I remember reading how Marquez kept struggling after his big injury in 2020, I guess it is impossible to be consistent for 7 straight seasons even if you're still quite young. Sometimes luck also plays a part so it is hard to argue what he can do better to achieve the next world champion.

Every year there are always opponents who will be an obstacle for anyone who wants to win, whether they are opponents from satellite teams or factory teams. This season Acosta raced as if he didn't have any pressure and as if he had enough experience, even though he was still a rookie, but everyone has admitted that he is truly a great rookie because he was able to beat more experienced riders on the MotoGP grid this season. However, to become a champion, of course there are other things that must be looked at as you said, namely the level of luck because not all riders can get it under the same conditions.

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Journalists started talking about the next Chinese GP with their predictions.

there is talk of a Redbull always at an advantage but with a reduced gap on Ferrari, the track seems very favorable to the Italian team.

Ferrari hasn't won in China for a decade, is this really the right time?

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But I have to give two thumbs up to Pedro Acosta because he was able to immediately make extraordinary improvements with the motorbike in his Gasgas team even though he used the KTM engine brand. Meanwhile, Marquez is on the Gresini team using a Ducati engine but has to compete fiercely with a rookie who has just entered the MotoGP class this season. Obviously this was extraordinary even though Marquez had to go home without any points because he fell in the race.

Yeah, that's why it feels surprising seeing how I can see similarities between Rossi-Marquez to Marquez-Acosta or whoever showed a lot of promise as a rookie. This is obviously a simplification and I'm not going to call Acosta the next Marquez or something along those lines, it is just interesting to see. I remember reading how Marquez kept struggling after his big injury in 2020, I guess it is impossible to be consistent for 7 straight seasons even if you're still quite young. Sometimes luck also plays a part so it is hard to argue what he can do better to achieve the next world champion.

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Did he really have bad memories with Aston Martin? He left with mutual undertanding with the team. And afaik he just retired as he felt like he didn't have it in him to race anymore. And as for Stroll being his teammate, any old F1 driver who couldn't get a seat with a top team would looove to have Stroll as a teammate because Stroll sucks. It would be easy to out qualify him and out point him. :/

I think another reason why it would make sense for Mercedes to get Vettel is he would make a good mentor for Mick Shumacher.

I mean Aston Martin was in pain those days as you would also remember. Vettel wasn't a very competitive driver anymore also of course, you are right about it. However it would have still been nice to see Vettel driving a better version of Aston Martin car like the one in the last season. Alonso was really lucky to drive that car and he did a great work with it.

And yeah, it isn't a difficult job for an experienced and skilled driver to outscore Stroll. However that driver has a really big responsibility to keep the team as high as possible in the standings also.

Last season, Alonso collected 206 points while Stroll had only 74 points... If Stroll was better Aston Martin could have overtaken McLaren too. Sad

The difference was that Aston Martin paid big bucks for some engineers at Red Bull, so when they hired those new designers and engineers from Red Bull they also got all the things that makes Red Bull a better car.

Obviously there are some things even engineers can't handle, no matter how you design the car, if the engine is not as powerful for example, or if the ERS is not as powerful, basically there are so many things that they could, but stuff like the cars shape and all could be worked into it, stolen basically from Newey and put into Aston Martin. Vettel still did as well as he could, and I think he wasn't really caring about it, he could have gone to any other team, he just decided to retire himself there for a bit more last ounce of money.

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^ After the pain of being a Ferrari driver, I don't think Vettel could feel any more pain in F1. Cheesy

At Aston Martin, at least the team listened to him and appreciated his inputs. I don't think it was really the case at Ferrari.

Anyway.. Chinese Grand Prix next! Let's see how Ferrari and Mercedes react after RBR 1 - 2 at Japan.

2024 F1 Chinese GP Schedule
Track: Shanghai International Circuit

April 19: Practice 1 11:30 - 12:30
April 19: Sprint Qualifying 15:30 - 16:15
April 20: Sprint 11:00 - 12:00
April 20: Qualifying 15:00 - 16:00
April 21: Race 15:00

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 14, 2024, 09:10:55 AM

Did he really have bad memories with Aston Martin? He left with mutual undertanding with the team. And afaik he just retired as he felt like he didn't have it in him to race anymore. And as for Stroll being his teammate, any old F1 driver who couldn't get a seat with a top team would looove to have Stroll as a teammate because Stroll sucks. It would be easy to out qualify him and out point him. :/

I think another reason why it would make sense for Mercedes to get Vettel is he would make a good mentor for Mick Shumacher.

I mean Aston Martin was in pain those days as you would also remember. Vettel wasn't a very competitive driver anymore also of course, you are right about it. However it would have still been nice to see Vettel driving a better version of Aston Martin car like the one in the last season. Alonso was really lucky to drive that car and he did a great work with it.

And yeah, it isn't a difficult job for an experienced and skilled driver to outscore Stroll. However that driver has a really big responsibility to keep the team as high as possible in the standings also.

Last season, Alonso collected 206 points while Stroll had only 74 points... If Stroll was better Aston Martin could have overtaken McLaren too. Sad

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Alonso signed contract with Aston Martin, which means that Sainz is not moving to Aston Martin after this season. Which leaves only a Mercedes spot left for him that's it. However, there are many other smaller teams that will not have contract with some of their racers, so he could find himself a spot in a team that is not great.

I am not saying that Haas or Williams would be lining up to get him, I just think that we are not going to see any changes or anything for them, I think it should be important to notice that we are going to send up with Sainz having an issue. He is too good of a driver to not be in a team, he should be in a team, he is better than Charles at Ferrari right now and yet he is going to be teamless.

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Quote from: alegotardo on April 14, 2024, 01:06:11 PM

In my opinion, it will be great to see Lewis in the red outfit in the red car. His fans will certainly be very excited about this event and I hope he can have a very competitive car as Ferrari has not yet managed to develop the right car to fight against Red Bull.

It will certainly be interesting to see what Lewis will be like driving for Ferrari together with Charles... we will have a good battle between them.

Hamilton is now in his third season but despite fighting valiantly, he has a Mercedes in his hands that is clearly well below average. Hamilton needs his eighth title and I believe he made the right decision by activating the "escape clause" in his contract with Mercedes and going to Ferrari.... let's see how that goes!

Hamilton's decision to join Ferrari is probably the best decision for him (for now) because Ferrari is the best constructor after the RB team at the moment and with the presence of Vasseur who has the ability to communicate with drivers well, it could improve Hamilton's performance. At the moment we don't know what car Ferrari will give Hamilton, but it is likely that it will be better than the current season and this will further boost Hamilton's performance. Yeah, maybe we will be able to see the best duo from Ferrari in the 2025 season.

That is a big unknown where Hamilton has thrown himself into yet I also think he has made the right decision to join Ferrari as in Mercedes nothing good is happening and this is the 3rd consecutive season where Mercedes is in big trouble so the fact that he joined Ferrari may look like a good option judging how his life went in these 3 lost seasons with Mercedes,no one has time to lose 3 seasons when you are near 40 of age now.

Ferrari be better give him a superb car,even the second fastest in the hands of Hamilton is much different than in the hands of Leclerc and Sainz who are not world Champion drivers despite the media strongly marketing them like that especially Leclerc,I see nothing exceptional from this guy from quite some years now.

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Quote from: boty on April 14, 2024, 07:07:00 AM

That's right, it's not easy for Marquez to win the title this year. From the two races that have taken place, we can see that the opponents he has to beat are not just Pecco and Martin, in fact many other racers are giving strong resistance, so that's not a problem. It's easy for Marquez to win the title this year.

In yesterday's race, Marquez also fell after overtaking Pedro Acosta who was in the front row. I was so amazed when I saw a rookie who could immediately disturb the front row this year and compete with the senior riders. And this will certainly be an obstacle for Marquez to win easily, especially since Marquez himself is in a team that is not a manufacturer, so this could also make it a little difficult for him to win the championship again this season.

Quote from: joniboini on April 15, 2024, 07:56:31 AM

It is quite surreal seeing Marquez struggle and new exceptional riders showing up at the same time. Kinda reminds me of when Rossi was being threatened by the rise of Marquez and other riders in his latter years. The drama it brings is interesting, but Rossi didn't compete with his teammate directly. While I no longer follow MotoGP closely, seeing new riders that I've never heard of suddenly in the top 5 shows that the competition is still strong, as long as you ride the best manufacturer that is.

Marquez and Pedro Acosta are both in satellite teams this season with different engine brands. But I have to give two thumbs up to Pedro Acosta because he was able to immediately make extraordinary improvements with the motorbike in his Gasgas team even though he used the KTM engine brand. Meanwhile, Marquez is on the Gresini team using a Ducati engine but has to compete fiercely with a rookie who has just entered the MotoGP class this season. Obviously this was extraordinary even though Marquez had to go home without any points because he fell in the race.

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Quote from: boty on April 14, 2024, 07:07:00 AM

That's right, it's not easy for Marquez to win the title this year. From the two races that have taken place, we can see that the opponents he has to beat are not just Pecco and Martin, in fact many other racers are giving strong resistance, so that's not a problem. It's easy for Marquez to win the title this year.

It is quite surreal seeing Marquez struggle and new exceptional riders showing up at the same time. Kinda reminds me of when Rossi was being threatened by the rise of Marquez and other riders in his latter years. The drama it brings is interesting, but Rossi didn't compete with his teammate directly. While I no longer follow MotoGP closely, seeing new riders that I've never heard of suddenly in the top 5 shows that the competition is still strong, as long as you ride the best manufacturer that is.

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Quote from: alegotardo on April 14, 2024, 01:06:11 PM

In my opinion, it will be great to see Lewis in the red outfit in the red car. His fans will certainly be very excited about this event and I hope he can have a very competitive car as Ferrari has not yet managed to develop the right car to fight against Red Bull.

It will certainly be interesting to see what Lewis will be like driving for Ferrari together with Charles... we will have a good battle between them.

Hamilton is now in his third season but despite fighting valiantly, he has a Mercedes in his hands that is clearly well below average. Hamilton needs his eighth title and I believe he made the right decision by activating the "escape clause" in his contract with Mercedes and going to Ferrari.... let's see how that goes!

Hamilton's decision to join Ferrari is probably the best decision for him (for now) because Ferrari is the best constructor after the RB team at the moment and with the presence of Vasseur who has the ability to communicate with drivers well, it could improve Hamilton's performance. At the moment we don't know what car Ferrari will give Hamilton, but it is likely that it will be better than the current season and this will further boost Hamilton's performance. Yeah, maybe we will be able to see the best duo from Ferrari in the 2025 season.

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bad season so far for Bagnania.

As said several times, for me the favorite this year is Martin and he will have no rivals.

Bastianini in second place is another surprise as far as I'm surprised.
Marquez continues to grow race after race and today he even managed to become the leader for few laps.

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Quote from: alegotardo on April 14, 2024, 01:06:11 PM

In my opinion, it will be great to see Lewis in the red outfit in the red car. His fans will certainly be very excited about this event and I hope he can have a very competitive car as Ferrari has not yet managed to develop the right car to fight against Red Bull.

It will certainly be interesting to see what Lewis will be like driving for Ferrari together with Charles... we will have a good battle between them.

Hamilton is now in his third season but despite fighting valiantly, he has a Mercedes in his hands that is clearly well below average. Hamilton needs his eighth title and I believe he made the right decision by activating the "escape clause" in his contract with Mercedes and going to Ferrari.... let's see how that goes!

That will depend a lot on Ferrari rather than him.I doubt he will lose his powers as we have a living legend who hasn't and that is Alonso who despite his age if given a competitive car he makes wonders out of it,the same I assume for Hamilton.Ferrari is still a better car than Mercedes in these last 2 seasons and who knows what type of car they give to Hamilton but I think that they have always had a good driver,a world Champion racing for them like Vettel,Alonso and Raikkonen the last three,so another world Champion joining them is great news,from the last three only Raikonnen managed to get a title in the distant year of 2007 and the other ones couldn't,let's hope Hamilton writes history with an 8th title.

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