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Quote from: Distraction on September 05, 2024, 06:03:33 AM

Red Bull can just cry more. McLaren is coming for the championship and it looks like there is nobody who can stop that.

Instead of complaining desperately, Red Bull should just focus on what they are doing wrong lately. I have no doubt Verstappen is losing hope about his team day by day. I would like to remind a fact. He doesn't have any special sympathy for Red Bull. He can easily sign for a better team if things go on like this.

The fact is that McLaren has become Red Bull's biggest rival in the 2024 season, and even Zak Brown feels "comfortable" in poking his opponent... according to him, the team led by Christian Horner has lost very important names in recent months and this has had a direct impact on the RB20's loss of performance, which culminated in the turbulent phase of the bullfighters.

The reality is that Red Bull has suffered considerable losses in its technical staff in recent months. In addition to losing engineering director Rob Marshall to McLaren, the Milton Keynes-based team also confirmed the departure of legendary designer Adrian Newey who is likely to go to Aston Martin, and saw sporting director Jonathan Wheatley jump ship to become head of Audi in 2026. This loss of important members came at the same time that Red Bull has struggled this season.

the result is there: The team led by Horner is having difficulties dealing with the development of the RB20 and has already gone six races without a win while McLaren, in turn, has been getting closer in the Constructors' World Championship and is trying to fight for the Drivers' World Championship with Lando Norris.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 06, 2024, 02:46:25 PM

No.
Bono will not follow Hamilton in Ferrari.
As the media said Bono has been promoted in Merdedes and will not come in Ferrari.

The engineer for Hamilton will be almost for sure Riccardo Adami, who is currently working with Carlo Sainz.

Oh then Hamilton had better get along with Riccardo Adami. But Sainz hasn't had big issues with his race engineer so far. I think there wouldn't be any serious issue. Ferrari isn't losing their best race engineer at least.

Quote from: retreat on September 07, 2024, 02:17:42 AM

RBR still has a chance to improve their car, because this is F1 and anything can happen. So we can't say that McLaren can win the championship and nothing can stop it, it's possible that RBR and Ferrari improve their performance. And talking about Max, yeah he might be disappointed with his team's performance in recent times, but that doesn't make him lose faith in RBR, remember that RBR gave him the best car in 2023, and he still believes that RBR can give him a car like that again. If he wanted, he could have moved to Mercedes who offered him a much better offer than RBR, but he refused and stayed at RBR, that shows how his relationship with RBR is not just a work relationship, but it's like family.

I think Red Bull won't make big difference until the end of the season. Maybe they can save the day in a couple of race with some upgrades. But nothing more I expect. Sad

When it comes to being "family", Max likes to be with Helmut Marko. He has a big respect to him. If he doesn't leave Red Bull in the future, I believe the biggest reason would be this.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 05, 2024, 06:03:33 AM

Red Bull can just cry more. McLaren is coming for the championship and it looks like there is nobody who can stop that.

Instead of complaining desperately, Red Bull should just focus on what they are doing wrong lately. I have no doubt Verstappen is losing hope about his team day by day. I would like to remind a fact. He doesn't have any special sympathy for Red Bull. He can easily sign for a better team if things go on like this.

RBR still has a chance to improve their car, because this is F1 and anything can happen. So we can't say that McLaren can win the championship and nothing can stop it, it's possible that RBR and Ferrari improve their performance. And talking about Max, yeah he might be disappointed with his team's performance in recent times, but that doesn't make him lose faith in RBR, remember that RBR gave him the best car in 2023, and he still believes that RBR can give him a car like that again. If he wanted, he could have moved to Mercedes who offered him a much better offer than RBR, but he refused and stayed at RBR, that shows how his relationship with RBR is not just a work relationship, but it's like family.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 06, 2024, 06:45:19 AM

What about Peter "Bono" Bonnington? Is he also on his way to be Hamilton's race engineer at Ferrari? Huh

I hope he is. Because you know how important to have a coherent race engineer with the driver. They have been together for 12 years. It is really crazy. Riccardo Adami is also a decent race engineer. Much better than Xavi Marcos. Tongue

But Hamilton would need some time to strengthen the bond if Bono isn't coming. Ferrari is going to pay him 100m dollars if I'm not mistaken. It is going to be his career-high salary.

No.
Bono will not follow Hamilton in Ferrari.
As the media said Bono has been promoted in Merdedes and will not come in Ferrari.

The engineer for Hamilton will be almost for sure Riccardo Adami, who is currently working with Carlo Sainz.

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marquez deserved the podium after how he slumped when he was with honda and he was able to adapt well to this bike and give the best results. even if i am not a fan of him, i am happy to see how he got the podium that he has been waiting for. he is now in third position in the motogp standing, and that is already a very good result that he can show and most likely he can still increase his points.

If we talk about Marquez's standings, he has just taken it back from Bastianini who also occupied that position before the Aragon Race. This means that the third position occupied by Marquez is still not so safe considering his distance from Bastianini in fourth place in the standings and this weekend MotoGP will be held again at the San Marino Misano circuit in Italy which is the home of Italian riders so we hope there will be much fiercer competition so that the show does not become boring.

Misano is a great track and a really technical one so of course it would not be a boring race. The crash of Bagnaia last weekend gave a boost to Martin chances to continue to fight and now also in theory Marquez can fight for the title so for sure it is going to be a great race and thank you for reminding me as usually when there is no F1 I almost always forgot to check for MotoGP races. That crash truly made things way very much balanced now with Martin leading with 299 points, followed by Bagnaia with 276 and then Marquez with 229 as I don't consider for the title fight Bastianini, that guy is way to much inconsistent as most likely will start to fall down in the standings. This is open as much as Formula 1 is although I don't know the number of races remaining here which should lower than F1 and as such to boost the chances of the top 2 guys to fight for the title most likely.

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Misano's Moto GP is coming, FP1 and Practice has just done and the top 3 readers showed their best in these stage.
At FP1, Martin was the 1st and Marc93 was 2nd while Pecco was on 8th only but at the Practice, Pecco become the fastest, Marc 2nd and Martin 3rd.
It seems that Marc is motivated with his previous win at Aragon and he wants another win at Misano, if he can make another win(s) in the upcoming races, it will make the competition for the championship become more interesting.
Looking forward for the qualification stage and would be nice to see these 3 top riders will be on the pole position and we'll have the chance to see competitive race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 06, 2024, 06:28:01 AM

Ferrari is preparting for Lewis Halimton in 2025.
They are changing engineeres, Serra will join with Jerome d' Ambrosio.

Serra will be the Chassis performance engineering.
Big reshuffle from Ferrari.

What about Peter "Bono" Bonnington? Is he also on his way to be Hamilton's race engineer at Ferrari? Huh

I hope he is. Because you know how important to have a coherent race engineer with the driver. They have been together for 12 years. It is really crazy. Riccardo Adami is also a decent race engineer. Much better than Xavi Marcos. Tongue

But Hamilton would need some time to strengthen the bond if Bono isn't coming. Ferrari is going to pay him 100m dollars if I'm not mistaken. It is going to be his career-high salary.

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^ Thinking back again about Adrian Newey's move to Aston Martin... If it's actually happening, then I don't know how f*cked he is. The team should get rid of Lance Stroll and get a proper driver to its no. 1. Alonso will play the role of the aging second driver with more experience.

For less money, Newey would surely have a better chance to win titles with Ferrari. He'll have two quality drivers and each having a chance to win the WDC granting that they have a decent car that could get to the podium every race.

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Ferrari is preparting for Lewis Halimton in 2025.
They are changing engineeres, Serra will join with Jerome d' Ambrosio.

Serra will be the Chassis performance engineering.
Big reshuffle from Ferrari.

We still have a small chance for Adrian Newey but at this point he is now expected to join Aston

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on September 05, 2024, 06:52:51 AM

If we talk about Marquez's standings, he has just taken it back from Bastianini who also occupied that position before the Aragon Race. This means that the third position occupied by Marquez is still not so safe considering his distance from Bastianini in fourth place in the standings and this weekend MotoGP will be held again at the San Marino Misano circuit in Italy which is the home of Italian riders so we hope there will be much fiercer competition so that the show does not become boring.

Why boring? But it's right, San Marino GP in Misano is definitely a Ducati track (I was there live last year), Bagnaia has a lot to make up for this weekend, but last year's winner was Martin, so it won't be easy for Bagnaia, and I'm also curious to see if M. Marquez can confirm his form from Aragon. In any case, I assume there will be a Ducati winner.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 04, 2024, 07:28:54 PM

The fact is that there is no ban on this and the FIA itself has said several times that it has no interest in making any changes to the rules this season and, if it finds it necessary to react, this will only happen from the beginning of 2025, if it happens... since the regulations are expected to be officially changed only in 2026.

Of course there is no ban.
Teams need to test their parts before to be able to race.

Every team send components to FIA and FIA do the standard tests, if the wings pass the stress tests, with weight in different places at different "speeds" then Wings are no bannable.

If teams do something else cleaver to get a flex wing in others cases then FIA needs to change the tests.

As you said this is not the first time, RBR were the one abusing it like 5 years ago.

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Quote from: moneystery on September 04, 2024, 11:13:19 AM

marquez deserved the podium after how he slumped when he was with honda and he was able to adapt well to this bike and give the best results. even if i am not a fan of him, i am happy to see how he got the podium that he has been waiting for. he is now in third position in the motogp standing, and that is already a very good result that he can show and most likely he can still increase his points.

If we talk about Marquez's standings, he has just taken it back from Bastianini who also occupied that position before the Aragon Race. This means that the third position occupied by Marquez is still not so safe considering his distance from Bastianini in fourth place in the standings and this weekend MotoGP will be held again at the San Marino Misano circuit in Italy which is the home of Italian riders so we hope there will be much fiercer competition so that the show does not become boring.

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Unexpected win for Ferrari and Charles Leclerc today in Monza.
Second win for him in Ferrari's Gp.

Another missed opportunity for Mclearen, another win lost, with a better strategy and a no fight on lap 1 between them it was an easy win.

Max now must be worried about the situation, without Adrian Newey RBR is not the same anymore.

Yup totally unexpected. I kinda stopped focusing on the race when I thought Piastri was gonna win it. But then I got back into it at the last three laps and was totally surprised that Leclerc was leading. Lol. I guess I'll watch the highlights at F1's YT. It also looks like Leclerc is starting to come on his own. I saw some clips of him telling his team to stfu when they kept bugging him about some brake setting. Cheesy

And yeah, both of Leclerc's wins are special to him... Monaco and Italy. The former is where he lives, the other one is his team's home race. Good one for Leclerc. Love to see him win.

Basically Mclaren thought that two stints was the way to go (most everyone did so) and Ferrari probably made a mistake that just got lucky and did one stint. Surely the pit stop gives you about 20-25 seconds of break, but then you get fresher tires and go faster, and McLaren had the speed so they thought they could, but somehow Ferrari just kept it going for further and di not lose the position and won.

It's clear that one sting was better option, but looks like it will not be all that much of a good news in the end for Ferrari since they just won by luck. Mclaren will keep on being better and they will keep on getting good results, it is not a secret that we are going to see this situation working for Mclaren for this season and probably next one too.

Stint? You mean pit? Yeah... But if I remember it right Leclerc had the mediums then the hards and just managed his tires better than Norris and Piastri who were forced to pit again. So it wasn't luck. It was all part of the plan imho as the hards prolly has a good 30 laps in them if managed really well.

Anyway it's prolly starting to look like a season for the McLaren to lose. But they have another year to go at it before the new rules on 2026.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 04, 2024, 03:34:28 PM

RBR made an official protest at FIA against Mercedes and Mclaren.
They are saying that those 2 teams are using flexible wings... what an hypocrisy.

Do you remember 4 years ago the wings of RBR?

Anyway FIA already responded and said that no rules has been broken.

Red Bull can just cry more. McLaren is coming for the championship and it looks like there is nobody who can stop that.

Instead of complaining desperately, Red Bull should just focus on what they are doing wrong lately. I have no doubt Verstappen is losing hope about his team day by day. I would like to remind a fact. He doesn't have any special sympathy for Red Bull. He can easily sign for a better team if things go on like this.

https://x.com/RBR_Daily/status/1830974202637361675

Adrian Newey is about to sign for Aston Martin officially. This is going to be a huge move. I have no doubt we will see this brilliant engineer's touches very clearly on the car. Maybe one day we can see Verstappen there... Grin

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 04, 2024, 03:34:28 PM

RBR made an official protest at FIA against Mercedes and Mclaren.
They are saying that those 2 teams are using flexible wings... what an hypocrisy.

Do you remember 4 years ago the wings of RBR?

Anyway FIA already responded and said that no rules has been broken.

This controversy involves many more teams, as Maranello and Milton Keynes are also demanding to know from the FIA what the limits are for Mercedes and McLaren to use this accessory.

In fact, if I remember correctly, the use of flexible wings began to be a hot topic, especially after the Monza GP, but this controversy has been going on since the beginning of the year, when these teams discovered that using this area is one of the options for resolving balance issues affecting the current generation of cars.

The fact is that there is no ban on this and the FIA itself has said several times that it has no interest in making any changes to the rules this season and, if it finds it necessary to react, this will only happen from the beginning of 2025, if it happens... since the regulations are expected to be officially changed only in 2026.

Obviously, it is normal for some teams to be concerned about the growing competitiveness of McLaren and Mercedes in the last stages, so these disputes will always occur until there is a regulation on this.

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RBR made an official protest at FIA against Mercedes and Mclaren.
They are saying that those 2 teams are using flexible wings... what an hypocrisy.

Do you remember 4 years ago the wings of RBR?

Anyway FIA already responded and said that no rules has been broken.

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Technically speaking Ferrari could definitely win, but I doubt that will happen because Mclaren is much better, one thing that will be shocking to see is that Red Bull could be third place, and Max could still win. I do not know how frequently we get constructors and drivers have different teams, but in this case it would not even be second, it would be third place, which shows how terrible Perez actually is, because if Perez did anything even remotely close to Max then they would have been good.

The domination of Red Bull lasted like just three seasons, they had one of the greatest dominations ever just recently, and yet now they look like they are third or even fourth fastest car, Mclaren is faster than them by a mile, and Ferrari looks faster, and to be fair Mercedes even looks faster right now. Whatever Red Bull has to do, they have to do it quickly otherwise they are going to lose the title, not only team but Max may end up losing as well if he keeps getting worse results.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 01, 2024, 08:11:29 AM

A generally very bad weekend for Bagnaia, scoring only one point in total and then a stupid racing accident today, Bagnaia would probably prefer to forget the weekend.

But a perfect weekend for M. Marquez, congratulations to him, nobody could have beaten M. Marquez this weekend.

marquez deserved the podium after how he slumped when he was with honda and he was able to adapt well to this bike and give the best results. even if i am not a fan of him, i am happy to see how he got the podium that he has been waiting for. he is now in third position in the motogp standing, and that is already a very good result that he can show and most likely he can still increase his points.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 03, 2024, 07:00:11 AM

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Unexpected win for Ferrari and Charles Leclerc today in Monza.
Second win for him in Ferrari's Gp.

Another missed opportunity for Mclearen, another win lost, with a better strategy and a no fight on lap 1 between them it was an easy win.

Max now must be worried about the situation, without Adrian Newey RBR is not the same anymore.

Yup totally unexpected. I kinda stopped focusing on the race when I thought Piastri was gonna win it. But then I got back into it at the last three laps and was totally surprised that Leclerc was leading. Lol. I guess I'll watch the highlights at F1's YT. It also looks like Leclerc is starting to come on his own. I saw some clips of him telling his team to stfu when they kept bugging him about some brake setting. Cheesy

And yeah, both of Leclerc's wins are special to him... Monaco and Italy. The former is where he lives, the other one is his team's home race. Good one for Leclerc. Love to see him win.

Basically Mclaren thought that two stints was the way to go (most everyone did so) and Ferrari probably made a mistake that just got lucky and did one stint. Surely the pit stop gives you about 20-25 seconds of break, but then you get fresher tires and go faster, and McLaren had the speed so they thought they could, but somehow Ferrari just kept it going for further and di not lose the position and won.

It's clear that one sting was better option, but looks like it will not be all that much of a good news in the end for Ferrari since they just won by luck. Mclaren will keep on being better and they will keep on getting good results, it is not a secret that we are going to see this situation working for Mclaren for this season and probably next one too.

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2024 FORMULA 1 DRIVERS' WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Wins   Points
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   7   303
2   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   2   241
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   2   217
4   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1   197
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1   184

2024 FORMULA 1 CONSTRUCTORS' WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Pos   Team   Wins   Points
1   Oracle Red Bull Racing   7   446
2   McLaren F1 Team   3   438
3   Scuderia Ferrari   3   407
4   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   3   292

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1054501/1/f1-world-championship-points-after-2024-italian-grand-prix

I guess Ferrari is still the race for the Constructors world Championship and this is per se a big surprise.

Looking on how the cars are going it shoulr be and easy win for McLaren.

I think to get Norris in serious contention for the driver's championship, McLaren has to have team orders for their drivers. No more fooling around. Piastri knows he's the number two guy and he's taking some points away from the team's number one driver.. He took some risks and messed it up in Italy... And the sad thing about it is he didn't even win the race for his team. Lol.

But it's not totally Piastri's fault or anyone's fault. It's partly on Norris too as he's looking like he lacks grit. He'll prolly learn grit if Piastri keeps taking his spot.

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