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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 27, 2024, 09:58:38 AM

Logan Sargeant will be probably changed during mid-season.
Looks like Williams has choosen to change the driver.

We have a list of 4 drivers according to ESPN who can take hims spot

Liam Lawson, Mich Schumacher, Franco Colapinto and Felipe Drugovich.

It is not clear if the change will be done before or after next race, GP of Monza,

Williams' decision to replace Sargeant as soon as possible was the best decision for them, because instead of improving his performance, Sargeant actually caused more damage to the car he was driving and that burdened the team with the cost of the damage they needed to pay. I feel that Mick Schumacher might be a potential replacement that Williams could take. Although at the beginning of his career in F1 before he did not have a good performance, but MSC seems to have fixed some things and is more mature to be given the opportunity to drive with Williams.

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Logan Sargeant will be probably changed during mid-season.
Looks like Williams has choosen to change the driver.

We have a list of 4 drivers according to ESPN who can take hims spot

Liam Lawson, Mich Schumacher, Franco Colapinto and Felipe Drugovich.

It is not clear if the change will be done before or after next race, GP of Monza,

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 26, 2024, 06:40:05 AM

Oh... Nice! It's that kind of season again. Grin

Anyway driver's championship winner this season is still Verstappen at 1.28 and Norris at 3.50. Are the books still so confident that Verstappen will pull it off or did the books failing to readjust the lines on time? Dunno... But from what I'm seeing the tide is turning. Norris leads the points table after three races or so.

Yeah, exactly! Grin

It is getting more competitive in time... It is all up to Norris as of now. Let's say Norris won all the remaining 9 races but Verstappen finished right behind him. As long as Norris doesn't get the fastest lap in at least 7 of them, Verstappen still retains the title. This shows how challenging job Norris has currently. But not an impossible task.

Norris @3.50 still looks really reasonable. McLaren also had some good odds for constructors championship before - when they newly started to shine. People who didn't bet then missed a big chance as it has very low odds now - 1.28.

Edit: I forgot that there were still sprint weekends to come in Qatar, Sao Paulo and the US. Tongue

But still it isn't an easy job for Norris.

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Honestly the idea is that Max wouldn't be lower than second place all that often, he will finish first or second, that's what odds are showing that they trust him to do that. Of course if he ever finishes like 8th or something or even have reliability issue and fail to finish, or even an accident, then yeah Lando could finish first and close the gap very quickly. Aside from that, they have 70 point difference, and as long as he finishes close enough, that gap is not closing down too much, and that's why they do not give him that chance.

Lando could do better for the remainder of the season, like if you put them both to zero points now, and calculate the rest of the season then Lando could be better, but will he be 70+ points better? I do not think so, that's the point. I think sportsbooks knows that and they know that Max will do fine and that is why I think they are going to end up with sticking to Max for the drivers champion, he has a higher chance.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 25, 2024, 11:35:46 AM

Norris wins the Dutch Grand Prix. Congrats to him for that huge victory! Wink

I call it huge because just look at the gap between him and Verstappen - 22.9 seconds. Cheesy

Norris stayed slow at the start but his comeback was amazing. Verstappen did his best to keep him behind but his car is much slower these days.

Great job by Leclerc also. He managed to keep Piastri behind for like 20-30 laps and finished on podium. This is what I just want to see from him - a big dedication.

The gap is melting down between these drivers. Norris needs to be very consistent as of now. There is a quite realistic possibility for him to catch up with Verstappen for his 1st ever title.

Oh... Nice! It's that kind of season again. Grin

Anyway driver's championship winner this season is still Verstappen at 1.28 and Norris at 3.50. Are the books still so confident that Verstappen will pull it off or did the books failing to readjust the lines on time? Dunno... But from what I'm seeing the tide is turning. Norris leads the points table after three races or so.

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Quote from: karabiber on August 25, 2024, 04:06:05 PM

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If you look at the race, Lando Norris drove like a great driver. McLaren's development over the year has been really tremendous. If Sergio Perez at RedBull continues like this, we could see a McLaren championship, if not for the drivers, then for the teams.

McLaren successfully proved how they could break RB's dominance and become the fastest - plus their two drivers greatly increased McLaren's chances of winning. As for RB, it seems that the rest of the season's races will be quite a tough time for them. There are so many homeworks that they need to complete, not to mention Perez's performance which cannot be said to be good enough to support Max, that makes their position in the constructor and driver rankings will probably be replaced by McLaren.

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In this race I saw a standard Dutch GP. This track is not suitable for modern F1 cars. It's narrow, there are a lot of fast corners and it's very difficult to follow the car in front. So I can't say that I watched this race with a lot of expectations. I don't know where Formula 1 is going now, but not even a yellow flag waved during the race. We've seen a lot of races like this this year and everyone is in a safe driving mode.
If you look at the race, Lando Norris drove like a great driver. McLaren's development over the year has been really tremendous. If Sergio Perez at RedBull continues like this, we could see a McLaren championship, if not for the drivers, then for the teams.

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1 Max Verstappen   295
2 Lando Norris    225
3 Charles Leclerc   192
4 Oscar Piastri   179
5 Carlos Sainz   172
6 Lewis Hamilton   154
7 Sergio Pérez   139
8 George Russell   122
9 Fernando Alonso   50
10 Lance Stroll   24

Source: https://www.espn.com/f1/standings

Leader board so far, embarrassing the difference between Max and Sainz.

Norris is 70 point shorts, he desperate need a DNF from Max to have any hope.

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Lando Norris looked insane out there today. It wasn't like even any pit mistake or anything, Lando was just so much faster than Max. I understand that Max was complaining about loss of grip, but I still think that the car is just insanely different for Norris, so much faster. Like even after only a few laps, he put the difference out of drs comfortably and just cruised to the win remainder of the race. He never really got too far behind, and always chased until he passed as well, it was such an easy win for him.

I think Red Bull is in big big danger for the future, there is no doubt that they were dominant once, but looking at it right now, I can say that they are not anymore, and with Newey gone, I don't know how they will fix everything again.

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With the last update on the Mclaren they earned such a big advantage.
They ended the race with 20 seconds of advantage and they bullied the field doing the Fastest lap in last lap like Max was used not so many months ago.

Max still has a big advantage but never say never, just 1 wrong step and it is a moment...

At this point I can't see how they can lose the constructor championship, even if they are still behind they will destroy opponents.

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Norris wins the Dutch Grand Prix. Congrats to him for that huge victory! Wink

I call it huge because just look at the gap between him and Verstappen - 22.9 seconds. Cheesy

Norris stayed slow at the start but his comeback was amazing. Verstappen did his best to keep him behind but his car is much slower these days.

Great job by Leclerc also. He managed to keep Piastri behind for like 20-30 laps and finished on podium. This is what I just want to see from him - a big dedication.

The gap is melting down between these drivers. Norris needs to be very consistent as of now. There is a quite realistic possibility for him to catch up with Verstappen for his 1st ever title.

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Wtf happened to Hamilton? Cheesy

He got some problems at the first sector of the track or do the tires don't stick? Lol. And he also got a grid penalty for impending Perez. He's now 14th on the grid. Sucks... I wanna see him go toe to toe vs Verstappen specifically in this race.

Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 24, 2024, 01:43:51 PM

Big pole position for lando norris.
If I can remember correctly this is his 6th pole position. In the past poles he never concluded the 1st lap in 1st position, quite a strange statistic.

about the weather is very variable, but tomorrow should be sun. rain was for today.

Does that mean Piastri has a chance? Wink

He's at 7.00 to win the race... Hamilton now at 101. Lmaooo.

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Indeed a wonderful job done by Norris today.

McLaren hasn't lost anything from their power in this summer break as it seems. But the reported upgrades must have also made a good impact on that. Especially after this rule change related to asymmetric brakes.

What do you say? Will Norris be able to get the win safe and sound? He can't win a race for like 8 race weeks. This sounds really bad. Many of them could have ended up with his win at the same time. Thinking about it is also sad.

He has a big opportunity ahead now. I don't expect McLaren to have a lower pace during the race. We have seen what they are capable of already. I expect McLaren to beat Red Bull in points and Norris to win both.

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Big pole position for lando norris.
If I can remember correctly this is his 6th pole position. In the past poles he never concluded the 1st lap in 1st position, quite a strange statistic.

about the weather is very variable, but tomorrow should be sun. rain was for today.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 24, 2024, 09:48:01 AM

I meant the qualifying session also. Because I was feeling closer to a Norris pole and that is what's happened now.

He took the pole by nearly 0.4 seconds against Verstappen. It must be extra satisfying for him to defeat his best friend at his home. Grin

This has proven how McLaren's current performance is the fastest car on the grid, even though Max has very good skills, but if it is not supported by good upgrades then it is only a matter of time for RB to be overtaken by other teams (or have been overtaken). Tomorrow's race will probably be a very exciting race, because again Norris and Max are in the front row, it seems that both of them will not waste the opportunity. RB must really use their best strategy to win this race because if not McLaren seems to come out as the winner.

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Quote from: retreat on August 24, 2024, 12:47:42 AM

In this race, it seems that Max and RB are still struggling to get the best place, seen from several mistakes they made which eliminated their chances. And if asked whether Norris or Max can win the race, it is an uncertain choice, because Russell, Piastri, and Hamilton have the same chance to win this race, so this might be a fairly difficult choice. But I feel that McLaren can win this race because they have a good performance, while for RB it seems they will fill P5 maximum P3.

I meant the qualifying session also. Because I was feeling closer to a Norris pole and that is what's happened now.

He took the pole by nearly 0.4 seconds against Verstappen. It must be extra satisfying for him to defeat his best friend at his home. Grin

Q3 results:

Full results are here: https://racingnews365.com/2024-f1-dutch-grand-prix-qualifying-results

Quote from: tokeweed on August 24, 2024, 06:18:02 AM

So what's the weather forecast tomorrow? Is it gonna be sunny or rainy? If it's gonna be rainy and with the track slippery and wet then I think Hamilton has a better chance of winning the race than what the line on him at 8.50 lets on. Wink

Google weather says there is no rain during race time tomorrow.

I would also like to see some rain to watch rain masters make difference...

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So what's the weather forecast tomorrow? Is it gonna be sunny or rainy? If it's gonna be rainy and with the track slippery and wet then I think Hamilton has a better chance of winning the race than what the line on him at 8.50 lets on. Wink

Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 24, 2024, 03:55:24 AM

Keep an eye also in Mercedes, the discovered the Graal and now depending on the track they can be supercompetive.

^ This. I think Merc are def starting to be more competitive. The books mat have not adjusted their lines yet. Let's see what happens in the next couple of races after this one? Wink

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 22, 2024, 01:39:56 PM

The changed has been already required after the GP of China, only the new rule is official right now.

Before this change:

RBR got
5/5 Poleposition 100% of them all
4/5 Woms 80% of them all

After the change they got

3/9 Poleposition 30% of them all
3/9 Wins 30% of them all

So yeah this could be the secret of RBR. was it legal ? That is the big question.

They say it is illegal to use this braking system but I'm not confident about the source either. Sad

But it is nice to see this change. It gets really boring to see one team and driver dominating the whole season...

Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 23, 2024, 06:27:26 AM

The only news for one is for Jack Doohan who will take the Alpine in 2025.

Really? Good for him! He seems to be a promising driver but it is difficult to be sure of anything though. I feel like he will do a better work than Sargeant. I'm afraid Sargeant has turned out to be a flop. Tongue

He can't compete Albon at all.

When it comes to the upgrades McLaren has brought here...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-reveals-six-key-changes-in-dutch-gp-f1-upgrade/10646744/

I hope this works out well.

Norris is favoured more for pole position. But he has the same odds with Verstappen when it comes to race winner.

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Not only that but Mclaren also have a huge upgrade according to Norris.
But they are not sure if all the new stuff is working, today we will have a better look.

Mclaren is still 42 points behind but with the Sergio Perez performance and this new upgrade can be the time when RBR will lose the Championship.

Keep an eye also in Mercedes, the discovered the Graal and now depending on the track they can be supercompetive.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 23, 2024, 10:07:53 AM

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Does anyone have a name on their mind other than Norris and Verstappen?

In this race, it seems that Max and RB are still struggling to get the best place, seen from several mistakes they made which eliminated their chances. And if asked whether Norris or Max can win the race, it is an uncertain choice, because Russell, Piastri, and Hamilton have the same chance to win this race, so this might be a fairly difficult choice. But I feel that McLaren can win this race because they have a good performance, while for RB it seems they will fill P5 maximum P3.

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