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Quote from: tygeade on September 17, 2024, 02:12:22 PM

About a thousand people work on those cars, coming up with these type of ideas should be what they are doing to be fair, not every team has that many workers of course but there are ones that has a factory that keeps working on these cars like crazy and because of that there are teams that come up with a great idea at times.

Evertything depends if what they are doing it is legal accordin FIA, or if it is illegal.
And how FIA will respond to it.

FIA usually allows the new thing and ban the for the following year it will be probably the same.

The last time I remember that FIA quickly banned something was in 2019 when they banned the discovery of Ferrari with the "secret deal" they did.

Like you said, usually they ban it later on. I believe that McLaren wouldn't do something that would be illegal directly, that would make no sense they are doing fine why would they risk losing too many points and even tunnel time when they could just do fine this year, that seems like the most important part of the racing, just keeping up with the rules.

However, I believe that this is something that is not illegal, and yet could be made illegal in the future, depends on how easy or hard it is as well, there are some things that one team does and other teams find easy to do and they all do it and then it's made legal and everyone does it, there are things where it's hard to do and that is when other teams decide that it should be banned and then FIA bans it as well. This is what I think is the situation right now, we need to see if other teams will also do it or not, if they can do it then it will definitely make everyone faster a bit more.

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Lecler did an interview today saying

In Ferrari there is a dialogue about the flexible wing of Mclaren.
He said that they will go deeper in the investigation but he said that it is alteast controversial.
He also said that he will no speak nomore about it and only Fred will do.

Ferrari will see that this is something to consider developing on their car, because from what we see that it provides a good opportunity especially in a straight line. But from what Charles explained, it seems that Ferrari will not just copy what McLaren did, they came with a new front wing, and they hope that it can help them compete with McLaren in the next few races. This shows how Ferrari, although interested in what McLaren did, they did not follow suit because it could be that what McLaren did did not have a good output as they expected.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 19, 2024, 03:47:57 PM

Lecler did an interview today saying

In Ferrari there is a dialogue about the flexible wing of Mclaren.
He said that they will go deeper in the investigation but he said that it is alteast controversial.
He also said that he will no speak nomore about it and only Fred will do.

This is a controversial issue that will still generate much discussion.
The fact is: "there is nothing in the regulations that prohibits this", therefore... it is not illegal.

However, morally speaking, it is very clear that this new "material" on McLaren's wing is greatly favoring the team, as the performance of Oscar Piastri's car in the Azerbaijan GP, where he managed to maintain a large straight-line speed advantage over Ferrari's Charles Leclerc, is quite "revealing" and indicates that this is an unfair competition with the others.
It is obvious that McLaren's rear wing has a unique design that allows the slot gap to open, reducing air resistance and increasing speed, so the 'mini DRS' is something that, although it is unlikely to be prohibited this year, will most likely be prohibited next season.

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Lecler did an interview today saying

In Ferrari there is a dialogue about the flexible wing of Mclaren.
He said that they will go deeper in the investigation but he said that it is alteast controversial.
He also said that he will no speak nomore about it and only Fred will do.

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Hungary has officially entered the MotoGP calendar next season with the name of the circuit is Balaton Park and I also see it as a beautiful circuit for the MotoGP event next season. In addition, Jack Miller has also found a team for next season where he has been confirmed to join the Pramac Racing team which will use Yamaha engines next season with his tandem Miguel Oliveira. These are two interesting news for MotoGP and tomorrow we will all watch FP1 and Practice for MotoGP Emilia Romagna.

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Just as I said in my previous post, Ferrari tried to copy McLaren's debatable rear wing quickly. Grin

McLaren is hiding their rear wing in garage for now as far as I know.

This is the look of the current constructor standings now. McLaren has already captured the first position by 20 points.

It sounds really good to me as I think they deserve it all the way.

I think Ferrari still has a chance for the championship also. At least they can get past Red Bull considering the gap. This Singapore Grand Prix will help with that most probably. I don't think it will be a good weekend for Red Bull.

As it is a street track I expect Perez to step forward again. Verstappen could struggle once again too.

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Quote from: tygeade on September 17, 2024, 02:12:22 PM

About a thousand people work on those cars, coming up with these type of ideas should be what they are doing to be fair, not every team has that many workers of course but there are ones that has a factory that keeps working on these cars like crazy and because of that there are teams that come up with a great idea at times.

Evertything depends if what they are doing it is legal accordin FIA, or if it is illegal.
And how FIA will respond to it.

FIA usually allows the new thing and ban the for the following year it will be probably the same.

The last time I remember that FIA quickly banned something was in 2019 when they banned the discovery of Ferrari with the "secret deal" they did.

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Quote from: retreat on September 17, 2024, 01:30:08 AM

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/did-mclarens-mini-drs-rear-wing-trick-help-piastri-keep-leclerc-at-bay-in-baku/10654884/

I just read this interesting post where it was said that how Piastri won the race with a "mini DRS" designed by their engineers. Especially at the Baku circuit yesterday which has a fairly long track, it is thought to help McLaren gain an advantage over other teams. Actually this is the result of the flexi wings where when experiencing high pressure it lifts a little and creates a "mini DRS" effect. And until now the FIA has not given any explanation regarding this.

I can only say that F1 engineers are very smart to be able to come up with something like this.

About a thousand people work on those cars, coming up with these type of ideas should be what they are doing to be fair, not every team has that many workers of course but there are ones that has a factory that keeps working on these cars like crazy and because of that there are teams that come up with a great idea at times.

The reason why we are not seeing more of these is because teams have limited amount of time to try these things, and usually not every idea gets a test, and this results with teams testing only few of the ideas per season and sometimes good ideas thrown to trash because they can't try it out. This time, one of them got away and got itself a test here and it worked as well as hoped for, Norris had a great race too, while he started far back, he managed to finish above Max which was what he needed, not enough points difference like he would have desired but at least closed the gap a bit more and that's what matters right now.

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Quote from: retreat on September 17, 2024, 01:30:08 AM

I just read this interesting post where it was said that how Piastri won the race with a "mini DRS" designed by their engineers. Especially at the Baku circuit yesterday which has a fairly long track, it is thought to help McLaren gain an advantage over other teams. Actually this is the result of the flexi wings where when experiencing high pressure it lifts a little and creates a "mini DRS" effect. And until now the FIA has not given any explanation regarding this.

I can only say that F1 engineers are very smart to be able to come up with something like this.

Yes they have a mini DRS basically for the whole lap.
The point is if it is legal under a gray area of the regulation of if it not regular.

IF it is ok, I'm not sure that teams can adapt before the end of the season.

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Quote from: retreat on September 17, 2024, 01:30:08 AM

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/did-mclarens-mini-drs-rear-wing-trick-help-piastri-keep-leclerc-at-bay-in-baku/10654884/

I just read this interesting post where it was said that how Piastri won the race with a "mini DRS" designed by their engineers. Especially at the Baku circuit yesterday which has a fairly long track, it is thought to help McLaren gain an advantage over other teams. Actually this is the result of the flexi wings where when experiencing high pressure it lifts a little and creates a "mini DRS" effect. And until now the FIA has not given any explanation regarding this.

I can only say that F1 engineers are very smart to be able to come up with something like this.

It is true, yeah. Here there is an image describing the situation clearly.

This looks interesting. Maybe FIA might really find McLaren guilty for using a possibly illegal wing design. I hope it isn't illegal though. Otherwise they might lose some pace. Sad

If it is legal then surely the other top teams would also be keen on copying it right away. We will see what happens in the coming days. We are in a new race week and the new place is Singapore. It looks like it might rain at the weekend. I already see another failure by Red Bull. Tongue

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/did-mclarens-mini-drs-rear-wing-trick-help-piastri-keep-leclerc-at-bay-in-baku/10654884/

I just read this interesting post where it was said that how Piastri won the race with a "mini DRS" designed by their engineers. Especially at the Baku circuit yesterday which has a fairly long track, it is thought to help McLaren gain an advantage over other teams. Actually this is the result of the flexi wings where when experiencing high pressure it lifts a little and creates a "mini DRS" effect. And until now the FIA has not given any explanation regarding this.

I can only say that F1 engineers are very smart to be able to come up with something like this.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 15, 2024, 12:44:32 PM

A race with Baku with almost no overtakes.
What F1 has become.

Anyway, Mclaren is clearly the best car and Leclecr tried his best but they are too strong, keep in mind also they have the "dynamic" wing

What a accident between Sainz and Perez, idk if anyone has fault there or it is just a race accident.

As it's a street circuit, these things are mostly expected and will prolly be booked as a 'race incident'. Dunno tho... Not sure what the FIA is saying as I haven't been reading much this weekend. And don't even know what went on at the EPL. The mood is it's all UFC for me. Lol. F1 and the EPL kinda went in the back seat.

But yeah, McLaren has the best car and Ferrari seems like it's catching up from what I'm seeing. This gonna be goood! And a nice preparation for next season.

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Leclec got cold tires, was pretty normal situation when he got overtook by Piastri with flexible wings and hot tires.

About Perez and Sainz I think also was a race crash, they are both guilty.

Papaya team can only lose not the constructor championship.

Here you can see the flex wing https://x.com/brakeboosted/status/1835322050946146804

And for sure is an advantage, you seen the top speed of Mclaren,right?

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What a strange race we got. I dont know if anyone is gonna agree with me but it feels like a tense race without passing so much until the crash of Perez and Sainz, poor both drivers, seems like a race crash and its not a clear fault of anyone.

About cosntrcutor championship like barbara said above me, seems like Mcclaren have it in their hands if nothing chance, but i also feels like if Mercedes hasnt be punished with disqualification a few races back and with a little bit more of luck we can enjoy a 4 band race for the constructor championship between RB, Ferrari, MC and Mercedes.

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Leclerc is doing his best. I get that. However I was really annoyed with one thing about him in this race. While he was trying to overtake Piastri back in the start straight, he always made the exact same attempt. He tried to overtake him from the outside every time... If only he dived inside of Piastri then maybe we were going to talk about a different result now. Sad

Perez and Sainz were hard to understand. Was it really necessary to risk it that much? I know both were trying to finish on podium and maybe even overtake Leclerc as well. But that was one of the silliest accidents I have seen in F1.

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The Azerbaijan GP was a race Leclerc lost by his own hand. He basically left the door open and let Piastri through. Leclerc is too soft in some races to be fair and this was one of those races. I'm also really curious to know the secret behind how the McLaren car is so competitive on every track, somehow.

For McLaren, which doesn't even have a factory team, which didn't start the season that well, this development is tremendous. Especially the videos about wing flexibility show that they have found a very good gap. If the FIA approves them, it's not much to say, but they will probably take some action. Piastri seems to have raced a mini drs.

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A race with Baku with almost no overtakes.
What F1 has become.

Anyway, Mclaren is clearly the best car and Leclecr tried his best but they are too strong, keep in mind also they have the "dynamic" wing

What a accident between Sainz and Perez, idk if anyone has fault there or it is just a race accident.

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Mclaren will most probably win the title this year without a doubt. Perez was out, Max finished under Lando Norris and Piastri won the whole thing, goes to show how great Mclaren has become. I think Sainz was the one who was wrong there, Perez was going on his direct line, didn't move to right and didn't move to left. Sure Perez "could" have moved to left to avoid that clash, but why would he, he wasn't going against Sainz or forcing him, as long as Sainz drove on a straight lien like Perez did, neither would have clashed.

Sainz decided to go a bit left, no idea why, where Perez was, and that is why they collided and after 50 laps of racing, they ended up losing for no reason at all. I think it's clear that we are going to see this changing, Ferrari is better than Red Bull too, I don't know what Red Bull is planning, but they are definitely in big trouble.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 15, 2024, 07:59:17 AM

I'm out of the house and I'm wondering what happened to the race... The last time I looked at the leaders, it was Piastri on pole, followed by Leclerc, then Perez at the third spot and a possible podium finish. What happened to Perez? Next I'm seeing is he has a DNF beside his name. Lololol. Too much tequila?

Anyway congrats to Piastri and McLaren supporters. Must be feeling good knowing you guys are possibly winning it this year. Next year is gonna be interesting. Prolly a classic Ferrari vs McLaren clash for the driver's and constructor's championship?

So... it was an exciting race and I don't even know where to start, but I'll try...

The start was clean, with no collisions between drivers and Sergio Pérez, who started in fourth position, managed to take third place.

Lewis Hamilton, who started from the pits, managed to gain positions in the first laps and soon took 15th place, but he didn't "shine".

George Russell, who started in fifth place and lost it to Max Verstappen in the first minutes of the race, had a terrible performance and after a pit stop he ended up falling to 12th place, but he later got his revenge on Max, overtook the Dutchman and took sixth place in the race.

The best moment of the race was in an intense battle on the 20th lap in which Oscar Piastri used his wing and managed to overtake pole position holder Charles Leclerc. The Monegasque even tried to regain the lead on the same lap but was unsuccessful.

In the final straight, Charles Leclerc tried to overtake Oscar Piastri several times, but the Australian defended himself well and secured victory in the Azerbaijan GP.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 15, 2024, 07:59:17 AM

I'm out of the house and I'm wondering what happened to the race... The last time I looked at the leaders, it was Piastri on pole, followed by Leclerc, then Perez at the third spot and a possible podium finish. What happened to Perez? Next I'm seeing is he has a DNF beside his name. Lololol. Too much tequila?

Anyway congrats to Piastri and McLaren supporters. Must be feeling good knowing you guys are possibly winning it this year. Next year is gonna be interesting. Prolly a classic Ferrari vs McLaren clash for the driver's and constructor's championship?

Leclerc led the race for a very long time on mediums and had a huge gap with Piastri. However after pitting and preferring hards, he started to lose pace while Piastri was gaining on him. It ended up with Piastri's overtaking him.

After some time, Leclerc started to improve his speed and started the chase for taking the lead back. But such an amazing defending it was by Piastri! He definitely deserved to win the race. Congrats to him a lot on that!

When it comes to Perez, he had a huge accident with Sainz in the last laps. Truthfully I believe it was Perez's fault after watching the replay from an angle above the cars.

Here is the video of the related accident: https://youtu.be/7ynDOY1PR74?si=Uw43kEA88hVZnfMN&t=399

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