Pos Rider Nat Team Time/Diff
1 Marc Marquez SPA Gresini Ducati (GP23) 41m 52.083s
2 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Ducati Lenovo (GP24) +3.102s
3 Enea Bastianini ITA Ducati Lenovo (GP24) +5.428s
4 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM (RC16) +14.185s
5 Marco Bezzecchi ITA VR46 Ducati (GP23) +16.725s
6 Alex Marquez SPA Gresini Ducati (GP23) +17.582s
7 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +17.642s
8 Jack Miller AUS Red Bull KTM (RC16) +19.327s
9 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA VR46 Ducati (GP23) +27.946s
10 Pol Espargaro SPA Red Bull KTM (RC16) +38.781s
Result of the day.
Another win for Marquez, Bagnaia now is worried for the next year.
Hard to have him as teammate.
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/championship_tables/content
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September 08, 2024, 09:51:37 AM
September 08, 2024, 08:27:46 AM
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A very interesting race exactly, Martin made a mistake with the change and lost important points. Marquez gave a lot in difficult conditions and won a lot as a result. In my opinion, Bagnaia rode rather safely and didn't risk everything because he absolutely needed the points. All in all, once again a very interesting race this weekend and the second win in a row for Marc.
September 08, 2024, 08:07:34 AM
The MotoGP race will start soon, but the weather is still a bit unstable, so if it drizzles even more, it could be a flag-to-flag race.
A rain race could of course change everything and the winner is uncertain, so let's wait and see if it will be a flag to flag race.
A rain race could of course change everything and the winner is uncertain, so let's wait and see if it will be a flag to flag race.
What a dramatic race especially for Martin who decide to change the bike too early and unfortunately it was a mistake.
Cant blame him or his team ofc because in this kind of situation (related to unstable weather), it is like a gambling whether to change the bike or not.
Marc Marquez who is known to be a good rider with many experiences in such situation is able to do his best and make a back to back win since 2021.
This result make the competition for the world champion become more interesting (as what I said before).
Congrats for Marc and an expensive point lesson learned for Martin.
September 08, 2024, 06:57:08 AM
And it's not just that. As I said before, there's a clause in Hamilton's contract that Bono and other key engineers who were working with Hamilton will not be allowed to follow him to his new team once he leaves. It's called the non poaching clause.
So yeah.. He'll be working with the engineer that worked with Vettel during his stint at Ferrari. There was some word swirling around that Hamilton already called Vettel to ask about the engineer. And we all know Vettel and Adami's relationship weren't all that rosy.
So yeah.. He'll be working with the engineer that worked with Vettel during his stint at Ferrari. There was some word swirling around that Hamilton already called Vettel to ask about the engineer. And we all know Vettel and Adami's relationship weren't all that rosy.
This clause is not ethernal.
It has must be a duration of time set by law.
Anyway there is no problem, to solve this eventuality they promoted Bono in the Mercedes, so he will stay there for a long time an Hamilton will have not so many years to race in Ferrari imho.
Sure... But I'm just saying, in this specific instance, Hamilton is not allowed to bring Bono and other key engineers with him over to Ferrari as per his contract.
Mercdedes is not dumb enough to allow it.
So anyway... It looks like the journos did well with the 'Newey to Aston Martin announcement before Azerbaijian' thing.
I don't think anything will be announced. September 08, 2024, 06:43:36 AM
The MotoGP race will start soon, but the weather is still a bit unstable, so if it drizzles even more, it could be a flag-to-flag race.
A rain race could of course change everything and the winner is uncertain, so let's wait and see if it will be a flag to flag race.
A rain race could of course change everything and the winner is uncertain, so let's wait and see if it will be a flag to flag race.
September 07, 2024, 04:44:07 PM
It's about 90 million a year for Hamilton, plus what goes beyond formula 1 as well, which is why I think it's a great deal. He will have something to do after his deal is done as well and he retires, he will be basically Exor management partner.
In the end, Hamilton could make more at Ferrari because there is Ferrari clause at formula 1, to keep Ferrari racing, they take more money than every other team, so they can pay more than every other team. May sound unfair, but as we can see they are not winning even with that, and keeping them racing is more important than winning, because it makes formula 1 make money, without Ferrari in formula 1, the incomes would drop more than what Ferrari makes. So that is why I believe Hamilton could be paid so much more there.
In the end, Hamilton could make more at Ferrari because there is Ferrari clause at formula 1, to keep Ferrari racing, they take more money than every other team, so they can pay more than every other team. May sound unfair, but as we can see they are not winning even with that, and keeping them racing is more important than winning, because it makes formula 1 make money, without Ferrari in formula 1, the incomes would drop more than what Ferrari makes. So that is why I believe Hamilton could be paid so much more there.
Yeah.
Also this is a marketing move from Ferrari, imagine the sales, the feed on social media and the merchandising sold next year.
It will not happen but imagine the situation when Lewis win the title at the 1st year in Ferarri, or more realistic but also very unlickly, if he wins the 1st race in the new car.
The world will go crazy and Ferrari will be in the mouth of a lot of people.
September 07, 2024, 03:40:00 PM
It's about 90 million a year for Hamilton, plus what goes beyond formula 1 as well, which is why I think it's a great deal. He will have something to do after his deal is done as well and he retires, he will be basically Exor management partner.
In the end, Hamilton could make more at Ferrari because there is Ferrari clause at formula 1, to keep Ferrari racing, they take more money than every other team, so they can pay more than every other team. May sound unfair, but as we can see they are not winning even with that, and keeping them racing is more important than winning, because it makes formula 1 make money, without Ferrari in formula 1, the incomes would drop more than what Ferrari makes. So that is why I believe Hamilton could be paid so much more there.
In the end, Hamilton could make more at Ferrari because there is Ferrari clause at formula 1, to keep Ferrari racing, they take more money than every other team, so they can pay more than every other team. May sound unfair, but as we can see they are not winning even with that, and keeping them racing is more important than winning, because it makes formula 1 make money, without Ferrari in formula 1, the incomes would drop more than what Ferrari makes. So that is why I believe Hamilton could be paid so much more there.
September 07, 2024, 03:20:00 PM
And it's not just that. As I said before, there's a clause in Hamilton's contract that Bono and other key engineers who were working with Hamilton will not be allowed to follow him to his new team once he leaves. It's called the non poaching clause.
So yeah.. He'll be working with the engineer that worked with Vettel during his stint at Ferrari. There was some word swirling around that Hamilton already called Vettel to ask about the engineer. And we all know Vettel and Adami's relationship weren't all that rosy.
So yeah.. He'll be working with the engineer that worked with Vettel during his stint at Ferrari. There was some word swirling around that Hamilton already called Vettel to ask about the engineer. And we all know Vettel and Adami's relationship weren't all that rosy.
This clause is not ethernal.
It has must be a duration of time set by law.
Anyway there is no problem, to solve this eventuality they promoted Bono in the Mercedes, so he will stay there for a long time an Hamilton will have not so many years to race in Ferrari imho.
September 07, 2024, 02:32:30 PM
Next weekend we are going to be in Azerbaijan... I really like the Baku track. I actually like nearly all the street tracks except the Monaco one. 
The reason why I don't like that is the races there are just boring without overtakes. But Baku is not like that. Especially that very long start straight is the place we see so many overtakes. I still can't forget about how Hamilton flied out of the track there.
Verstappen also has a bad memory here like having a blowout.
Anyways, I don't expect this to be easy for Red Bull again. I expect McLaren and Ferrari to step forward here as well. Leclerc might surprise us with a pole.
The reason why I don't like that is the races there are just boring without overtakes. But Baku is not like that. Especially that very long start straight is the place we see so many overtakes. I still can't forget about how Hamilton flied out of the track there.Verstappen also has a bad memory here like having a blowout.
Anyways, I don't expect this to be easy for Red Bull again. I expect McLaren and Ferrari to step forward here as well. Leclerc might surprise us with a pole. September 07, 2024, 02:05:08 PM
Bagnaia messed up the start again today in the sprint race, and Martin won the sprint race, even if Bagnaia has pole position tomorrow, he has to make a good start again to win, and he should definitely win again tomorrow, otherwise it will be tight in the fight for the world title, Martin just rides consistently all year.
September 07, 2024, 08:10:38 AM
What about Peter "Bono" Bonnington? Is he also on his way to be Hamilton's race engineer at Ferrari? 
I hope he is. Because you know how important to have a coherent race engineer with the driver. They have been together for 12 years. It is really crazy. Riccardo Adami is also a decent race engineer. Much better than Xavi Marcos. But Hamilton would need some time to strengthen the bond if Bono isn't coming. Ferrari is going to pay him 100m dollars if I'm not mistaken. It is going to be his career-high salary.
I hope he is. Because you know how important to have a coherent race engineer with the driver. They have been together for 12 years. It is really crazy. Riccardo Adami is also a decent race engineer. Much better than Xavi Marcos.
But Hamilton would need some time to strengthen the bond if Bono isn't coming. Ferrari is going to pay him 100m dollars if I'm not mistaken. It is going to be his career-high salary.No.
Bono will not follow Hamilton in Ferrari.
As the media said Bono has been promoted in Merdedes and will not come in Ferrari.
The engineer for Hamilton will be almost for sure Riccardo Adami, who is currently working with Carlo Sainz.
And it's not just that. As I said before, there's a clause in Hamilton's contract that Bono and other key engineers who were working with Hamilton will not be allowed to follow him to his new team once he leaves. It's called the non poaching clause.
So yeah.. He'll be working with the engineer that worked with Vettel during his stint at Ferrari. There was some word swirling around that Hamilton already called Vettel to ask about the engineer. And we all know Vettel and Adami's relationship weren't all that rosy.
September 07, 2024, 07:30:48 AM
Red Bull can just cry more. McLaren is coming for the championship and it looks like there is nobody who can stop that.
Instead of complaining desperately, Red Bull should just focus on what they are doing wrong lately. I have no doubt Verstappen is losing hope about his team day by day. I would like to remind a fact. He doesn't have any special sympathy for Red Bull. He can easily sign for a better team if things go on like this.The fact is that McLaren has become Red Bull's biggest rival in the 2024 season, and even Zak Brown feels "comfortable" in poking his opponent... according to him, the team led by Christian Horner has lost very important names in recent months and this has had a direct impact on the RB20's loss of performance, which culminated in the turbulent phase of the bullfighters.
The reality is that Red Bull has suffered considerable losses in its technical staff in recent months. In addition to losing engineering director Rob Marshall to McLaren, the Milton Keynes-based team also confirmed the departure of legendary designer Adrian Newey who is likely to go to Aston Martin, and saw sporting director Jonathan Wheatley jump ship to become head of Audi in 2026. This loss of important members came at the same time that Red Bull has struggled this season.
the result is there: The team led by Horner is having difficulties dealing with the development of the RB20 and has already gone six races without a win while McLaren, in turn, has been getting closer in the Constructors' World Championship and is trying to fight for the Drivers' World Championship with Lando Norris.
September 07, 2024, 07:16:10 AM
No.
Bono will not follow Hamilton in Ferrari.
As the media said Bono has been promoted in Merdedes and will not come in Ferrari.
The engineer for Hamilton will be almost for sure Riccardo Adami, who is currently working with Carlo Sainz.
Bono will not follow Hamilton in Ferrari.
As the media said Bono has been promoted in Merdedes and will not come in Ferrari.
The engineer for Hamilton will be almost for sure Riccardo Adami, who is currently working with Carlo Sainz.
Oh then Hamilton had better get along with Riccardo Adami. But Sainz hasn't had big issues with his race engineer so far. I think there wouldn't be any serious issue. Ferrari isn't losing their best race engineer at least.
RBR still has a chance to improve their car, because this is F1 and anything can happen. So we can't say that McLaren can win the championship and nothing can stop it, it's possible that RBR and Ferrari improve their performance. And talking about Max, yeah he might be disappointed with his team's performance in recent times, but that doesn't make him lose faith in RBR, remember that RBR gave him the best car in 2023, and he still believes that RBR can give him a car like that again. If he wanted, he could have moved to Mercedes who offered him a much better offer than RBR, but he refused and stayed at RBR, that shows how his relationship with RBR is not just a work relationship, but it's like family.
I think Red Bull won't make big difference until the end of the season. Maybe they can save the day in a couple of race with some upgrades. But nothing more I expect.
When it comes to being "family", Max likes to be with Helmut Marko. He has a big respect to him. If he doesn't leave Red Bull in the future, I believe the biggest reason would be this.
September 07, 2024, 02:17:42 AM
Red Bull can just cry more. McLaren is coming for the championship and it looks like there is nobody who can stop that.
Instead of complaining desperately, Red Bull should just focus on what they are doing wrong lately. I have no doubt Verstappen is losing hope about his team day by day. I would like to remind a fact. He doesn't have any special sympathy for Red Bull. He can easily sign for a better team if things go on like this.RBR still has a chance to improve their car, because this is F1 and anything can happen. So we can't say that McLaren can win the championship and nothing can stop it, it's possible that RBR and Ferrari improve their performance. And talking about Max, yeah he might be disappointed with his team's performance in recent times, but that doesn't make him lose faith in RBR, remember that RBR gave him the best car in 2023, and he still believes that RBR can give him a car like that again. If he wanted, he could have moved to Mercedes who offered him a much better offer than RBR, but he refused and stayed at RBR, that shows how his relationship with RBR is not just a work relationship, but it's like family.
September 06, 2024, 02:46:25 PM
What about Peter "Bono" Bonnington? Is he also on his way to be Hamilton's race engineer at Ferrari?
I hope he is. Because you know how important to have a coherent race engineer with the driver. They have been together for 12 years. It is really crazy. Riccardo Adami is also a decent race engineer. Much better than Xavi Marcos. But Hamilton would need some time to strengthen the bond if Bono isn't coming. Ferrari is going to pay him 100m dollars if I'm not mistaken. It is going to be his career-high salary.
I hope he is. Because you know how important to have a coherent race engineer with the driver. They have been together for 12 years. It is really crazy. Riccardo Adami is also a decent race engineer. Much better than Xavi Marcos.
But Hamilton would need some time to strengthen the bond if Bono isn't coming. Ferrari is going to pay him 100m dollars if I'm not mistaken. It is going to be his career-high salary.No.
Bono will not follow Hamilton in Ferrari.
As the media said Bono has been promoted in Merdedes and will not come in Ferrari.
The engineer for Hamilton will be almost for sure Riccardo Adami, who is currently working with Carlo Sainz.
September 06, 2024, 01:29:40 PM
marquez deserved the podium after how he slumped when he was with honda and he was able to adapt well to this bike and give the best results. even if i am not a fan of him, i am happy to see how he got the podium that he has been waiting for. he is now in third position in the motogp standing, and that is already a very good result that he can show and most likely he can still increase his points.
If we talk about Marquez's standings, he has just taken it back from Bastianini who also occupied that position before the Aragon Race. This means that the third position occupied by Marquez is still not so safe considering his distance from Bastianini in fourth place in the standings and this weekend MotoGP will be held again at the San Marino Misano circuit in Italy which is the home of Italian riders so we hope there will be much fiercer competition so that the show does not become boring.Misano is a great track and a really technical one so of course it would not be a boring race. The crash of Bagnaia last weekend gave a boost to Martin chances to continue to fight and now also in theory Marquez can fight for the title so for sure it is going to be a great race and thank you for reminding me as usually when there is no F1 I almost always forgot to check for MotoGP races. That crash truly made things way very much balanced now with Martin leading with 299 points, followed by Bagnaia with 276 and then Marquez with 229 as I don't consider for the title fight Bastianini, that guy is way to much inconsistent as most likely will start to fall down in the standings. This is open as much as Formula 1 is although I don't know the number of races remaining here which should lower than F1 and as such to boost the chances of the top 2 guys to fight for the title most likely.
September 06, 2024, 12:18:52 PM
Misano's Moto GP is coming, FP1 and Practice has just done and the top 3 readers showed their best in these stage.
At FP1, Martin was the 1st and Marc93 was 2nd while Pecco was on 8th only but at the Practice, Pecco become the fastest, Marc 2nd and Martin 3rd.
It seems that Marc is motivated with his previous win at Aragon and he wants another win at Misano, if he can make another win(s) in the upcoming races, it will make the competition for the championship become more interesting.
Looking forward for the qualification stage and would be nice to see these 3 top riders will be on the pole position and we'll have the chance to see competitive race.
At FP1, Martin was the 1st and Marc93 was 2nd while Pecco was on 8th only but at the Practice, Pecco become the fastest, Marc 2nd and Martin 3rd.
It seems that Marc is motivated with his previous win at Aragon and he wants another win at Misano, if he can make another win(s) in the upcoming races, it will make the competition for the championship become more interesting.
Looking forward for the qualification stage and would be nice to see these 3 top riders will be on the pole position and we'll have the chance to see competitive race.
September 06, 2024, 06:45:19 AM
Ferrari is preparting for Lewis Halimton in 2025.
They are changing engineeres, Serra will join with Jerome d' Ambrosio.
Serra will be the Chassis performance engineering.
Big reshuffle from Ferrari.
They are changing engineeres, Serra will join with Jerome d' Ambrosio.
Serra will be the Chassis performance engineering.
Big reshuffle from Ferrari.
What about Peter "Bono" Bonnington? Is he also on his way to be Hamilton's race engineer at Ferrari?
I hope he is. Because you know how important to have a coherent race engineer with the driver. They have been together for 12 years. It is really crazy. Riccardo Adami is also a decent race engineer. Much better than Xavi Marcos.
But Hamilton would need some time to strengthen the bond if Bono isn't coming. Ferrari is going to pay him 100m dollars if I'm not mistaken. It is going to be his career-high salary.
September 06, 2024, 06:35:54 AM
^ Thinking back again about Adrian Newey's move to Aston Martin... If it's actually happening, then I don't know how f*cked he is. The team should get rid of Lance Stroll and get a proper driver to its no. 1. Alonso will play the role of the aging second driver with more experience.
For less money, Newey would surely have a better chance to win titles with Ferrari. He'll have two quality drivers and each having a chance to win the WDC granting that they have a decent car that could get to the podium every race.
For less money, Newey would surely have a better chance to win titles with Ferrari. He'll have two quality drivers and each having a chance to win the WDC granting that they have a decent car that could get to the podium every race.
September 06, 2024, 06:28:01 AM
Ferrari is preparting for Lewis Halimton in 2025.
They are changing engineeres, Serra will join with Jerome d' Ambrosio.
Serra will be the Chassis performance engineering.
Big reshuffle from Ferrari.
We still have a small chance for Adrian Newey but at this point he is now expected to join Aston
They are changing engineeres, Serra will join with Jerome d' Ambrosio.
Serra will be the Chassis performance engineering.
Big reshuffle from Ferrari.
We still have a small chance for Adrian Newey but at this point he is now expected to join Aston
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