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Quote from: FanEagle on September 11, 2022, 11:32:19 AM

Quote from: Distraction on September 10, 2022, 07:36:50 AM

Yeah there are some grid penalties for quite many drivers right now. Verstappen can't take pole position for example as he has as a 5-place grid penalty. This could be a big chance for Leclerc to start in pole position easily. Ferrari supporters already want to see such result in this very important race for them. However this wouldn't be a big obstacle for Verstappen in the race also. Because if you look at the results of FP3 he is still faster than Ferrari drivers. It wouldn't be too difficult for him to catch up with Leclerc in the race.

Leclerc won't have Sainz behind him to stall Verstappen also because Sainz also has a grid penalty and he will start from the back. I wonder how good Leclerc will do alone against Verstappen. His rivalry with Hamilton in 2019 is still unforgettable and we might see a similar one between him and Verstappen this time.

The pole position will probably go to Ferrari. Most of the time we are talking about others who will end up with a bit of a problem in the long run due to penalties, so Ferrari and Charles will be the only one standing all alone. If he could just end up racing away at the start, nobody could catch up to him, but it also means that others would probably be riding better cars and they would be faster.

So which is better, being 10+ even 20+ seconds ahead with a worse car, or behind but with a better car? Verstappen will have all the new changes and all the new machinery refreshed and he will be racing much faster, if Ferrari does a bad team order again, it is going to be very bad.

What do you mean? Lol. The race is over. Cheesy

Are you talking about the Singapore GP which is two weeks away?

And if you really are watching F1 you'd know that Ferrari can't just race away from the start. It's been the theme for almost the whole season now... Leclerc or some guy gets pole position and Verstappen just races the guys in front of him to with the race. So as I said, anything lined at 1.90 or more for Verstappen is an auto bet.

Check the odds for him at the Singapore GP. It's now at 1.40. Crazy... I'd rather bet and know I'll lose money on Vettel at 1100.

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Toprak is getting closer to the top of the standings while Alvaro Bautista with a distance of 30 points and if Toprak continues to consistently win in the remaining races of the season, then Toprak can still become world champion again this season with Yamaha. Because this season Toprak is the reigning champion in WSBK and if he can be able to defend it again this season, I think he is very extraordinary because he can fight with Yamaha bikes which are famous for not being as fast as Ducati at the moment.

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I also don't understand why at least the last round was not given free. After last season's safety car disaster in the last race, they are now back to being chickenshits and don't dare do anything. Why can't they find a sensible solution? Maybe they should consider that the real safety car laps don't count towards the race distance?

I think that would be the best decision ever made from the FIA.Especially now after this race that ended with the Safety Car leading the cars and the last 5 laps of the race netted 0 emotions to everyone of us.If the Safety Car would not count then we would have seen some of the best laps of the whole race in these last 5 laps.Another change they should make is to increase the race distance from 2 hours to 3.30 hours,I think drivers can handle that without having big problems.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 12, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

Yeah RBR is in a much better state now, nobody seems able to compete with them, and when they can, Fia changes the rules. Huh

The championship is over, better to stop the upgrades and save money for the next year

FIA really finished all the competition between Red Bull and Ferrari this season. Of course Ferrari have made so many mistakes also but Leclerc still could have been much nearer Verstappen in the championship race. FIA were doing the same for Mercedes before and now it is Red Bull's turn.

There is not so much to talk about the race honestly. Verstappen was faster than Leclerc as usual. No strategy was enough to help Leclerc catch up with him. Safety car might have been a chance for him maybe but we need to be realistic. Verstappen wouldn't give him any chance if the race didn't finish under safety car. However Ferrari were at least much better in this race with their strategies. Maybe it was related to its being a special race for them. We will see if they will keep this up in the races left.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 11, 2022, 09:24:36 AM

RBR deserved the win but what a joke from FIA with the safety car and the virtual safety car

I also don't understand why at least the last round was not given free. After last season's safety car disaster in the last race, they are now back to being chickenshits and don't dare do anything. Why can't they find a sensible solution? Maybe they should consider that the real safety car laps don't count towards the race distance?

Ferrari could have speculated not to pit and hope that the race would be finished behind the safety car, as RedBull also set the fastest lap.

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Verstappen is too dominant now. I wouldn't be surprised even if he wins the rest of the races in this season.

Leclerc has already lost his chance for the championship if we look at this from a sensible aspect. He is still trying to be competitive of course but the car isn't letting him do better than this. At least there was some improvement in the Monza Grand Prix as he was faster than Russell and Hamilton both. But nothing has changed against Verstappen. It was really awkward to see Leclerc having a serious problem despite having fresh soft tyres after that important pit. If Verstappen is able to keep the gap at the same level with worse tyres then Ferrari are finished for this season.

Yeah RBR is in a much better state now, nobody seems able to compete with them, and when they can, Fia changes the rules. Huh

The championship is over, better to stop the upgrades and save money for the next year

As far as I know many cars and teams are doing so with McLaren leading the way,they have stopped development of upgrades for this year car from quite a lot of time now,if I recall correctly just before the Monaco GP which was early in the calendar.I know many other teams are doing the same and this is how it should be.Changing the rules in the middle of a season was an unprecedented move from FIA which instead to have sparked competition it completely killed any possible competition.Now Max is already Champion together with Redbull so let's hope next season will be better as nothing more to except from the actual one.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 11, 2022, 03:39:09 PM

Verstappen is too dominant now. I wouldn't be surprised even if he wins the rest of the races in this season.

Leclerc has already lost his chance for the championship if we look at this from a sensible aspect. He is still trying to be competitive of course but the car isn't letting him do better than this. At least there was some improvement in the Monza Grand Prix as he was faster than Russell and Hamilton both. But nothing has changed against Verstappen. It was really awkward to see Leclerc having a serious problem despite having fresh soft tyres after that important pit. If Verstappen is able to keep the gap at the same level with worse tyres then Ferrari are finished for this season.

Yeah RBR is in a much better state now, nobody seems able to compete with them, and when they can, Fia changes the rules. Huh

The championship is over, better to stop the upgrades and save money for the next year

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 11, 2022, 09:18:16 AM

If the marshals managed to push the McLaren away at all, the last laps would be exciting. But will it even work out? In any case, it will be close whether there will still be the laps.

But also congratulations to De Vries we possibly his first world championship points in the first race.

That would have been the perfect scenario to have some racing but overall , Verstappen was better today and he drove like nothing could have stop him and nothing did stop him in the end. I also do believe that Ferrari made a poor strategy race once again because they had pole and once again they ended up in 2nd place so they should make some changed to remain on plan A during all the race.

Yes , big congrats to de De Vries as he showed some great skills and composure in his first official F1 race and I think he will be there until the end of the season right ? Albon can't return that quick after surgery...

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 11, 2022, 03:39:09 PM

Verstappen is too dominant now. I wouldn't be surprised even if he wins the rest of the races in this season.

It's getting boring talking about Verstappen, the guy just wins and he already has the title in his hand... shall we change the subject? Tongue

I thought it was amazing to see that Dutchman Nyck de Vries made his debut in Formula 1 on the right foot today when he was hastily called up to replace Albon, the 27-year-old finished in ninth place, and managed to secure two points on the leaderboard, isn't it? for less that he was elected by the public as the driver of the day at the Italian GP.

This is the golden opportunity that any driver hopes to have to show what he is capable of, and Nyck de Vries knew how to take advantage of it very well.

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Verstappen is too dominant now. I wouldn't be surprised even if he wins the rest of the races in this season.

Leclerc has already lost his chance for the championship if we look at this from a sensible aspect. He is still trying to be competitive of course but the car isn't letting him do better than this. At least there was some improvement in the Monza Grand Prix as he was faster than Russell and Hamilton both. But nothing has changed against Verstappen. It was really awkward to see Leclerc having a serious problem despite having fresh soft tyres after that important pit. If Verstappen is able to keep the gap at the same level with worse tyres then Ferrari are finished for this season.

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In Monza usually you expect much more interesting race... Now Verstappen probably can not arrive to half of remaining races and he still would become champion. But that safety car finish left bad taste in mouth. It didn't decided race winner probably, but it didn't looked good. Maybe it's worth to consider introducing overtime rule like in NASCAR when we have safety car/VSC on final laps.
Russel is called Mr. Consistency not without a reason, another podium for him. It's sad for Ricciardo, he had great chance to get good points after long break, but had to retire. And what a weekend for De Vries. On Friday he was driving Aston Martin, on Saturday morning he was called to Williams to replace Albon. He had not much time to prepare, but he had solid qualifying and now points on his debut race. It's only question now why he don't have regular seat in F1 and what Latifi is still doing there?

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Verstappen won again, that's not fun anymore. Already won 5 or 6 races in a row. He is so much better than the rest of the field that next time he could already become champion with 6 races to go. That's really unique. Last year it took until the very last corner of the last race to decide who would become world champion. Now there is a good chance that Max is already champion 6 laps before the end. Should we be happy about that as F1 fans? There's actually very little to it this way. Also for Max there is no honor to be gained in this way, is there?

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So which is better, being 10+ even 20+ seconds ahead with a worse car, or behind but with a better car? Verstappen will have all the new changes and all the new machinery refreshed and he will be racing much faster, if Ferrari does a bad team order again, it is going to be very bad.

We have strong proof that it is much better to be even 20 seconds behind with a better car.We had Leclerc at the start all alone today and he could not manage to create a gap who could he manage during the race while Verstappen was on fire since the first lap of the race.It looked crystal clear that he had the best car of the race and he said in an interview before the race that he would be very happy even if finished second as he said is not that we need to win the race at all cost but when in track the desire to race gets you and when you have the fastest car it is easy to win.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 10, 2022, 07:36:50 AM

Yeah there are some grid penalties for quite many drivers right now. Verstappen can't take pole position for example as he has as a 5-place grid penalty. This could be a big chance for Leclerc to start in pole position easily. Ferrari supporters already want to see such result in this very important race for them. However this wouldn't be a big obstacle for Verstappen in the race also. Because if you look at the results of FP3 he is still faster than Ferrari drivers. It wouldn't be too difficult for him to catch up with Leclerc in the race.

Leclerc won't have Sainz behind him to stall Verstappen also because Sainz also has a grid penalty and he will start from the back. I wonder how good Leclerc will do alone against Verstappen. His rivalry with Hamilton in 2019 is still unforgettable and we might see a similar one between him and Verstappen this time.

The pole position will probably go to Ferrari. Most of the time we are talking about others who will end up with a bit of a problem in the long run due to penalties, so Ferrari and Charles will be the only one standing all alone. If he could just end up racing away at the start, nobody could catch up to him, but it also means that others would probably be riding better cars and they would be faster.

So which is better, being 10+ even 20+ seconds ahead with a worse car, or behind but with a better car? Verstappen will have all the new changes and all the new machinery refreshed and he will be racing much faster, if Ferrari does a bad team order again, it is going to be very bad.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 11, 2022, 09:24:36 AM

RBR deserved the win but what a joke from FIA with the safety car and the virtual safety car

Exactly.What a boring race this was,the last 2 races have been great with one won by McLaren and one by Alpha Tauri but this today was a bad race and a bad call from Ferrari as "Plan C" talked all over the radio did not work,the Redbull was just faster even with medium used tire compared to soft that Ferrari mounted.It would have been better for Leclerc to kept going but of course no one knew we would have a Safety Car to just end the race in this pathetic way.

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RBR deserved the win but what a joke from FIA with the safety car and the virtual safety car

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If the marshals managed to push the McLaren away at all, the last laps would be exciting. But will it even work out? In any case, it will be close whether there will still be the laps.

But also congratulations to De Vries we possibly his first world championship points in the first race.

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As if Leclerc shouldn't have pitted first, what do you think? 2 pit strategies were a mistake. They could have finished the race with one pit. They easily relinquished the lead to Verstappen. Again we see the Ferrari strategy error. Sainz and Hamilton went up very well.
Ricciardo is out on the road, now the race can take a different turn. Let's see what is going to happen? Things changed when the security car came in. There will be excitement again in the race in the last few laps.

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I have read that Verstappen's position might still change. I really don't understand what FIA are after now. Grin

I don't know what is taking them so long to make the final decision about this. He changed his internal combustion engine and got a 5-place grid penalty as a result. That must be it as this means starting in 7th position. If he starts in 4th position then it would be a bigger advantage for him. Because he can catch up with Leclerc more quickly. This time I don't want to see a different driver winning the race like Ricciardo and Gasly did so in the past two races on this track. It must be Leclerc or Verstappen. It would be better to see Leclerc doing so as this is important for the Tifosi. Hopefully the pit crew won't forget any tyre this time. Cheesy

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