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January 07, 2022, 10:29:16 AM
Williams just reveled a peak of their F1 2022 car and I must say that it looks amazing. The shapes that this car have right now are looking more futuristic than the previous years so let's hope the save and speed will be there as well. Regarding weight and height ...I would have thought that the car will be smaller than they presented to us but in the end the difference is not so big.
January 07, 2022, 09:27:28 AM
Carlos Sainz who has his contract expiring at the end of this season is now rumored for an extension of his contract maybe even before the start of the new season.
For sure I think it is deserved he did great for his 1st year.
For sure I think it is deserved he did great for his 1st year.
Yup, esp after Sainz was outperforming Leclerc, their main guy. Lol. Now it looks like the team won’t give LecLerc any favors judging from their recent statement.
I wish there was a betting market for who finishes higher in points for the season... Betting on Sainz against LecLerc and Gasly against Vettel would be value imho.
Here’s the betting market for the outrights for 2022 season.
https://stake.com/sports/outright/formula-1/formula-1/formula-1-2022/42369455-formula-1-2022
And just wondering... Of Vettel, what do you think his season be with the new cars? He won for most overtakes last season and with these new cars making it easy to overtake, maybe we see some value for him in finishing top 6 or top 10, depending on his quali results. What do you guys think?
January 07, 2022, 03:28:24 AM
Don't know about you guys but I'm still upset about Abu Dhabi. It's fortunate that the FIA/Masi is at fault and not RBR/Verstappen or I would have trouble continuing to watch. Clearly the FIA/Masi know they screwed up and won't do that again.
This is the important part that fans need to relax about. I have seen so much hatred towards Max and calling his championship fake and all that while Mercedes haters or hamilton haters kept saying he had the best car by few seconds easily for many years when he won so his championships are fake and arguments ensued.The reality is that Max and Hamilton both had a great season, Max still was one lap close to Hamilton enough to get that championship due to a bad decision by FIA, if you think that Abu Dhabi was a wrong decision and that doesn't make his championship count, then remind yourself this guy didn't get 300 points on the last lap, he was amazing for whole year, he won so many races, and he managed to get into the last race with the exact same point, so maybe FIA made a bad decision, but at the end of the day we are talking about two great racers and they both deserved it and there are no fake winners or something like that, they are both amazing and we are lucky to watch both of them.
I think whatever we call it,bad decision or not now the Champion for the year 2021 was crowned Verstappen.After some years will pass no one will remember how controversial was his Championship win,you said it right,he was there even if FIA made a bad call.I am personally fan of neither of these drivers so I am saying objectively that Verstappen deserved it more and he would have won the Championship if he was not taken out from Hamilton in Silverstone and the FIA did not punish Hamilton at all or they punished him very little,that was a decisive move and after that Mercedes gave Hamilton the best car,if Verstappen was not thrown out by Hamilton he would have won the Championship bad call or not from FIA.I agree FIA has made a lot of bad decisions this year but in the end the Championship was won by the driver who deserved it more.
January 06, 2022, 10:07:15 PM
Work in progress from SPA, I like to say almost done 
I swore they were modifying the original corners of the circuit, but only after I got a better look....it's just a widening of the exhaust areas.
Where F1 is rather unique, and it hasn't always been the case but it is now, is that the main teams are backed by powerful companies. Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari, Red Bull, they make a lot of money, with or without F1. So F1 has to be careful to not upset these companies too much. And of course, take care of the fans too. It's already dodgy to compete in some countries where nobody cares about F1...
But who is in charge of F1? It's precisely these big companies, don't doubt that.
They set the rules for next season and have a lot of influence over decisions that need to be made in the course of them.
Money rules in sports these days, and in F1 this is much more evident.
January 06, 2022, 09:49:43 PM
Don't know about you guys but I'm still upset about Abu Dhabi. It's fortunate that the FIA/Masi is at fault and not RBR/Verstappen or I would have trouble continuing to watch. Clearly the FIA/Masi know they screwed up and won't do that again.
Yes, I'm still not happy with it. I don't see how anyone can be happy with it, really. Even Verstappen, who for many people isn't really the world champion, as it was given to him instead of him winning it.
As for whether they'll do it again, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. It does cast a long shadow over the 2022 season, if everyone knows that the officials can ignore the rules whenever they feel like it generates more entertainment... when the fairness is taken away, it's when a sport stops being a sport.
There is always money in big sports.
Where F1 is rather unique, and it hasn't always been the case but it is now, is that the main teams are backed by powerful companies. Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari, Red Bull, they make a lot of money, with or without F1. So F1 has to be careful to not upset these companies too much. And of course, take care of the fans too. It's already dodgy to compete in some countries where nobody cares about F1...
January 06, 2022, 05:45:32 PM
Don't know about you guys but I'm still upset about Abu Dhabi. It's fortunate that the FIA/Masi is at fault and not RBR/Verstappen or I would have trouble continuing to watch. Clearly the FIA/Masi know they screwed up and won't do that again.
This is the important part that fans need to relax about. I have seen so much hatred towards Max and calling his championship fake and all that while Mercedes haters or hamilton haters kept saying he had the best car by few seconds easily for many years when he won so his championships are fake and arguments ensued.The reality is that Max and Hamilton both had a great season, Max still was one lap close to Hamilton enough to get that championship due to a bad decision by FIA, if you think that Abu Dhabi was a wrong decision and that doesn't make his championship count, then remind yourself this guy didn't get 300 points on the last lap, he was amazing for whole year, he won so many races, and he managed to get into the last race with the exact same point, so maybe FIA made a bad decision, but at the end of the day we are talking about two great racers and they both deserved it and there are no fake winners or something like that, they are both amazing and we are lucky to watch both of them.
January 06, 2022, 01:39:56 PM
Work in progress from SPA, I like to say almost done
Source: https://twitter.com/circuitspa/status/1478713219883622400/photo/1
Source: https://twitter.com/circuitspa/status/1478713219883622400/photo/1
January 06, 2022, 12:56:28 PM
Don't know about you guys but I'm still upset about Abu Dhabi. It's fortunate that the FIA/Masi is at fault and not RBR/Verstappen or I would have trouble continuing to watch. Clearly the FIA/Masi know they screwed up and won't do that again.
Yes, I'm still not happy with it. I don't see how anyone can be happy with it, really. Even Verstappen, who for many people isn't really the world champion, as it was given to him instead of him winning it.
As for whether they'll do it again, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. It does cast a long shadow over the 2022 season, if everyone knows that the officials can ignore the rules whenever they feel like it generates more entertainment... when the fairness is taken away, it's when a sport stops being a sport.
I can only agree with that.
F1 is not what it used to be and it's more and more about money.
Of course entertainment is important, but if the fairness is lost it is just entertainment and not a real sport anymore...
We can only hope that everything will develop in a more watchable sport direction than the last years.
January 06, 2022, 12:14:49 PM
Don't know about you guys but I'm still upset about Abu Dhabi. It's fortunate that the FIA/Masi is at fault and not RBR/Verstappen or I would have trouble continuing to watch. Clearly the FIA/Masi know they screwed up and won't do that again.
Yes, I'm still not happy with it. I don't see how anyone can be happy with it, really. Even Verstappen, who for many people isn't really the world champion, as it was given to him instead of him winning it.
As for whether they'll do it again, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. It does cast a long shadow over the 2022 season, if everyone knows that the officials can ignore the rules whenever they feel like it generates more entertainment... when the fairness is taken away, it's when a sport stops being a sport.
January 06, 2022, 11:47:21 AM
Carlos Sainz who has his contract expiring at the end of this season is now rumored for an extension of his contract maybe even before the start of the new season.
For sure I think it is deserved he did great for his 1st year.
For sure I think it is deserved he did great for his 1st year.
January 06, 2022, 08:57:35 AM
^ Yeah me too. But if he really is, that’s maybe because he has one of the toughest competitive drivers, driving the fastest car in the grid as his main rival now. His own team mate George Russell. Hamilton prolly isn’t motivated enough to go have one of his toughest seasons yet. And it’s prolly gonna be tougher than the season when Nico Rosberg won the championship.
So yeah... Not money but motivation is gonna be a key factor here.
And sad day if he really retires. What would next season be without anybody to root against? Lolol.
So yeah... Not money but motivation is gonna be a key factor here.
And sad day if he really retires. What would next season be without anybody to root against? Lolol.
I think the fact that his main rival will be his teammate is the key to get him motivated.He saw when he was with Covid 19 last year that during the race that Russell replaced him for a race he did a brilliant job and he drove extremely well and Hamilton I am sure has seen that race.Of course it will be much different now as Russell is not going to be just like Bottas a mediocre driver which has been all the time at Mercedes just the wing man of Hamilton.Now things will get tough and it is when things get tough that the tough guys come to play.I predict a really beautiful season of F1 during this year in 2022.
I don’t think so. Especially if we consider how it would be a tougher season for Hamilton next year and how he lost the driver’s championship the season prior. From what it looked like, I think he felt that politics was at play. And from Mercedes’ press releases it seemed like there was a time there when Hamilton did consider retiring. Judging from all that, it doesn’t look like he’s motivated right now.
But we still have a couple of months before the next season. I guess we’ll see what state his mind set is in during testing.
January 06, 2022, 06:48:45 AM
Don't know about you guys but I'm still upset about Abu Dhabi. It's fortunate that the FIA/Masi is at fault and not RBR/Verstappen or I would have trouble continuing to watch. Clearly the FIA/Masi know they screwed up and won't do that again.
January 06, 2022, 06:26:46 AM
TBH if Hamilton was driving one of those things at a night race, and Verstappen crashed into the back of him, even I might believe the excuse of "It was an accident! I didn't see him!".
Looks good, though. They really are a very different shape to the 2021 cars.
Good one Looks good, though. They really are a very different shape to the 2021 cars.
. But this dark photo don't show how Mercedes will look in new season. In reports it was already said that Mercedes will switch back to their original silver livery.Imagine Mazeping world Champion 2022. 
Sorry, but I don't have such imagination . January 06, 2022, 06:21:44 AM
this is a 4 time champion guy we are talking about, give him the best car on the track and he will definitely get you that championship.
Except when he doesn't. His four titles came in that ridiculously dominant Red Bull. If you give him a car that is vastly better than any other car, and a weak team-mate, then yes, he will get you that championship.
But as 2018 showed, put him in a car that is only marginally better than the competition, and he will buckle and throw away the title.
I think he's over-rated. I think if everyone was in the same car, it would be Lewis and Max out way ahead of the rest. Alonso is a bit of an unknown quantity until he gets a good car, he might be up there with them. Everyone else would be way back.
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January 06, 2022, 05:47:42 AM
Valentino Rossi has retired from MotoGP, but he leaves a record that is hard to beat. So, apart from The Doctor, who is on the list of 10 racers with the most races in the premier class?
During his 26-year career in motorcycle racing world championships, 22 of which were in the premier class, Valentino Rossi missed only seven races due to injury.
Until the end of the 2021 season, The Doctor was the only rider to compete in every season since the championship switched from two-stroke to four-stroke engines.
During the MotoGP era, coupled with his initial two seasons at the end of the 500cc category, Rossi has participated in a total of 372 races.
The record of winning nine motorcycle racing world championship titles as the racer with the most races is certainly difficult to break in the medium term.
Being right behind Rossi or second place is now occupied by Alex Barros who has retired. The Brazilian racer recorded 245 races.
However, his position may still be broken by Yamaha rider Andrea Dovizioso. Barros is only 11 races ahead of the three-time runner-up. Dovi will still play 21 Grand Prix (GP) next year.
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January 06, 2022, 04:55:22 AM
Russell is far more eager to win and to make a name for himself compared to Hamilton which is about to end his career after 2-3 years as a maximum from now.I mean 2-3 at the top of the pack as he can continue for many more years to drive but not being able to win after a certain age,Michael Schumacher confirmed to us all just this with his return in F1,age is a key determining factor here as with age the reflexes go down.
I think already during this year Russell will challenge Hamilton,I remember the only race he drove for Mercedes last season and he surely is not Bottas with the performance that he made at that race,I still remember it.
Russell has the potential to be one of the best. He is still young and with Hamilton nearing his retirement, he will be challenged by Russell for sure.
As you said, I won't be even surprised if Hamilton gets tough competition from Russell starting this year. And with the young blood he has, after Hamilton starts to fade away maybe after a year or two, Russell for sure will be the main man of Mercedes.
January 05, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
According to Domenicali who probably knows better the situation of every team spoken and he said nothing and a lot on the same way.
Basically, he said that we can have a new "BrawnGP case" since 2 teams are going in a different direction than others and it could be an advantage.
Imagine Mazeping world Champion 2022.
Basically, he said that we can have a new "BrawnGP case" since 2 teams are going in a different direction than others and it could be an advantage.
Imagine Mazeping world Champion 2022.
January 05, 2022, 05:01:59 PM
I feel like put Alonso and Vetten in Mercedes next year and they will be winning a championship too, it is a bit more about the car as well. HamVerRuss this is the new trio if you ask me.
Alonso maybe, Vettel no. There was a season recently where Vettel's Ferrari was faster than Hamilton's Merc, and Hamilton still beat him.And I still think Russell is being over-hyped a bit. He came in when Hamilton was unavailable, and he did a better job than Bottas. But 'better than Bottas' is a target that quite a few drivers could beat. We'll see, I suppose. Russell is good, yes, but I don't think he's a challenge to Hamilton yet.
However this is a 4 time champion guy we are talking about, give him the best car on the track and he will definitely get you that championship. That's the thing about big teams, they could get the best driver, and build the best car, so it is becoming a bit more one team sport, or few teams at the most. Do we really think anyone aside from red bull, mercedes, ferrari or mclaren have even ANY chance? Even in that 4, only 2 have a proper chance.
January 05, 2022, 10:51:42 AM
I feel like put Alonso and Vetten in Mercedes next year and they will be winning a championship too, it is a bit more about the car as well. HamVerRuss this is the new trio if you ask me.
Alonso maybe, Vettel no. There was a season recently where Vettel's Ferrari was faster than Hamilton's Merc, and Hamilton still beat him.
And I still think Russell is being over-hyped a bit. He came in when Hamilton was unavailable, and he did a better job than Bottas. But 'better than Bottas' is a target that quite a few drivers could beat. We'll see, I suppose. Russell is good, yes, but I don't think he's a challenge to Hamilton yet.
Russell is better than Bottas no cap and I agree as you said that Russell is still no match to Hamilton,
but I think that there will surely be a time when Russell will challenge Hamilton for being the main man in Mercedes.
Yes, the time hasn't come yet, but I think Russell has the potential to challenge Hamilton at one point or another. It will be great to watch these two competing to be the best driver in Mercedes.
Russell is far more eager to win and to make a name for himself compared to Hamilton which is about to end his career after 2-3 years as a maximum from now.I mean 2-3 at the top of the pack as he can continue for many more years to drive but not being able to win after a certain age,Michael Schumacher confirmed to us all just this with his return in F1,age is a key determining factor here as with age the reflexes go down.
I think already during this year Russell will challenge Hamilton,I remember the only race he drove for Mercedes last season and he surely is not Bottas with the performance that he made at that race,I still remember it.
January 05, 2022, 10:35:38 AM
My favourite for next season is definitely Bagnaia and Ducati, I'm looking forward to the first races to see which manufacturer has worked best over the winter.
It feels like a long time waiting for the new MotoGP season. I don't read much news about the development with the factory bike. But I think tomorrow Ducati could be a big threat to the defending champions. Ducati just provides a setting that suits the rider. I'm sure they're confident for next season. They have good motorcycle capital and 3 consistent riders in the top five of the championship class. For Yamaha it could be that they will lose to Ducati if they don't make improvements in the engine, as you said.
Some time ago at an official test I read that Fabio was complaining that not much was happening with the development, especially the engine is still at the same level as last year. Ducati had made a huge step in the last few years with the chassis, the engine was very strong in the last few years, only the handling was difficult.
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