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It seems Barcelona is a full circuit for Ferrai as Charles has the lower odd with Max having almost 4... . Now , we know that Ferrari looked amazing here in pre-season and testing period and if they had something new to bring up here, well...I think they just did it.

Another great news for racing in general is that Mercedes finally having some big updates to bring to the car and I'm curious if these update will reflect on the sunday grid.
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I am sure about that, I do not know about him but I am 100% sure that it is going to be a clear difference from here on out as well. Red Bull is a team that ended up with the champion this year, Max won last year and even though Charles is great, he is not a champion material just yet, he needs to have a lot of fighting for the championship, that's what Max did for so many years.

Charles can't just have one year where he is a good car and then suddenly becomes a champion on his first year. This is why I believe that Max and Red Bull will have an easy win for sure, there is no doubt about that and the best thing is that we just have fun time and the league goes close at least.

That's true again, Max has learned the last few seasons with Hamilton as an opponent (Hamilton is up to all the tricks), Leclerc will probably make too many mistakes as you write, Ferrari is also not yet mistake-free like RedBull from the pit.

Yes, Ferrari got a pole position in the latest GP only when Max did a Mistake.
Also on races, Redbull was faster in the latest GPS.

Ferrari still has the advantage that it seems to be more reliable, but it also seems that RedBull has found the mistake from the first races in the drive unit, but can these units still be used?
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You are sure that the RedBull is better than the Ferrari? I think the cars are equally fast but Ferrari has more potential to go up. Four tenths? That would be a bit much and the updates have to work first... But for the sake of suspense alone, I hope that neither of the two drives away, a title fight until the last race would be desirable again.

Yes, Ferrari got a pole position in the latest GP only when Max did a Mistake.
Also on races, Redbull was faster in the latest GPS.
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At the Monaco Historic Grand Prix, LecLerc had a very embarrassing mishap, he lost control of Lauda's 1976 Formula 1 Ferrari and slid his rear end into the tyres. The mechanics won't be very happy if the parts are still available or have to be specially made again for the repair, presumably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-3hXcWg1E

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Yup!  I miss the sounds of the screaming V8, V10 and the V12 engines.  Those are the real engine sounds of F1.  They're high pitch, very loud and screaming like banshees.

Here's a vid comparing thhe three engines.

Formula 1 Engine Sound Comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V6y1bz-D-I

Having the V6 turbo run beside those cars wouldn't make it look too good imho.  But yeah, I hope the new engines on 2026 would get some of the classic, 'real' F1 sound back.

Anyway who you guys got winning the Spanish GP?  I'm thinking Leclerc gets quali but Verstappen finds a way to win the race from behind once more.  What do you guys think?

The best sound in my opinion is simply the V10 sound, a V12 is a V12 but the V10 just sounds even better but that's a matter of taste.

The results of the Historic Ground Prix in Monaco can be found under the following link. It is differentiated there under different classes by year of manufacture.

https://europe-cities.com/2022/05/19/monaco-historic-grand-prix-2022-race-results/
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Ferrari will have big upgrades in this car, it is rumored to be 4/10 faster with the updates!

I hope this is true otherwise Verstappen will win the title, they have the best car for the moment.
You are sure that the RedBull is better than the Ferrari? I think the cars are equally fast but Ferrari has more potential to go up. Four tenths? That would be a bit much and the updates have to work first... But for the sake of suspense alone, I hope that neither of the two drives away, a title fight until the last race would be desirable again.
I am sure about that, I do not know about him but I am 100% sure that it is going to be a clear difference from here on out as well. Red Bull is a team that ended up with the champion this year, Max won last year and even though Charles is great, he is not a champion material just yet, he needs to have a lot of fighting for the championship, that's what Max did for so many years.

Charles can't just have one year where he is a good car and then suddenly becomes a champion on his first year. This is why I believe that Max and Red Bull will have an easy win for sure, there is no doubt about that and the best thing is that we just have fun time and the league goes close at least.
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Ferrari will have big upgrades in this car, it is rumored to be 4/10 faster with the updates!

I hope this is true otherwise Verstappen will win the title, they have the best car for the moment.

You are sure that the RedBull is better than the Ferrari? I think the cars are equally fast but Ferrari has more potential to go up. Four tenths? That would be a bit much and the updates have to work first... But for the sake of suspense alone, I hope that neither of the two drives away, a title fight until the last race would be desirable again.
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Ferrari will have big upgrades in this car, it is rumored to be 4/10 faster with the updates!

I hope this is true otherwise Verstappen will win the title, they have the best car for the moment.

If that is true then Ferrari will win the title,Redbull does not have the fastest car,well except in the main straights which is a big advantage as we have a really huge straight in Spain but I also want to have competition.
Leclerc should be more focused and drive more aggressively rather than keep complaining in the radio messages,you don't win races complaining but by driving at the best of your possibilities.They are different characters and I think Verstappen is more mature in this aspect as he has suffered much more than Leclerc in F1 (had more retires during his F1 career than Leclerc).

@coinlocket$ if that’s indeed true then we’ll be set for more exciting races, because a fast car alone won’t win you the race and then it’ll be up to Leclerc to step up and deliver for Ferrari. @swogerino you’re right because he needs to stop complaining and deliver with the car to the best of his abilities, and if he yet fails post the upgrades then he’ll need to introspect because the fault lies at his end.
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Ferrari will have big upgrades in this car, it is rumored to be 4/10 faster with the updates!

I hope this is true otherwise Verstappen will win the title, they have the best car for the moment.

If that is true then Ferrari will win the title,Redbull does not have the fastest car,well except in the main straights which is a big advantage as we have a really huge straight in Spain but I also want to have competition.
Leclerc should be more focused and drive more aggressively rather than keep complaining in the radio messages,you don't win races complaining but by driving at the best of your possibilities.They are different characters and I think Verstappen is more mature in this aspect as he has suffered much more than Leclerc in F1 (had more retires during his F1 career than Leclerc).
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Repsol Honda Team Manager, Alberto Puig, has analyzed the difficulties that Marc Marquez and Pol Espargaro experienced during the French MotoGP weekend.

"In terms of results, it was not what he (Marquez) expected," he said, quoting the official Honda Racing Corporation website.

“Of course, this race is not a total disaster. But we have to look at the situation as a whole and this is not our real position and definitely not Marc's position.

"We know where we have to improve (performance). We need more time to test what we believe can help us fix the problem we're having

"For now we have to keep working and wait for this solution to arrive in Europe as soon as possible. We're checking it out." Source: Motorsport/xfuera.id
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Ferrari will have big upgrades in this car, it is rumored to be 4/10 faster with the updates!

I hope this is true otherwise Verstappen will win the title, they have the best car for the moment.
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At the Monaco Historic Grand Prix, LecLerc had a very embarrassing mishap, he lost control of Lauda's 1976 Formula 1 Ferrari and slid his rear end into the tyres. The mechanics won't be very happy if the parts are still available or have to be specially made again for the repair, presumably.
That is an unfortunate event but why were they even there? I mean the next GP is Spain right? That shouldn't be too close, why are they there? I get that sometimes they do these type of things but usually they do that before that GP, for example if they are going to do an historic one, then they are going to end up with Spanish historic one, or if they have monaco up next then monaco gp historic one. No idea why we have monaco historic gp during Spanish one week. This is why I believe that we shouldn't have these type of historic stuff.

I really hope that Charles is great and he has nothing, I know he continued and seemed fine but sometimes it gets out a bit later.
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At the Monaco Historic Grand Prix, LecLerc had a very embarrassing mishap, he lost control of Lauda's 1976 Formula 1 Ferrari and slid his rear end into the tyres. The mechanics won't be very happy if the parts are still available or have to be specially made again for the repair, presumably.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-3hXcWg1E

V12 Sound  Grin Grin


Yup!  I miss the sounds of the screaming V8, V10 and the V12 engines.  Those are the real engine sounds of F1.  They're high pitch, very loud and screaming like banshees.

Here's a vid comparing thhe three engines.

Formula 1 Engine Sound Comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V6y1bz-D-I

Having the V6 turbo run beside those cars wouldn't make it look too good imho.  But yeah, I hope the new engines on 2026 would get some of the classic, 'real' F1 sound back.

Anyway who you guys got winning the Spanish GP?  I'm thinking Leclerc gets quali but Verstappen finds a way to win the race from behind once more.  What do you guys think?
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It's official after I wrote my post. Of course, it is very sad, the motorcycle competition will be reduced next season. But if it's a final then it looks like we have to get it. Other options may not be obtained by Suzuki so dare to bear (possibly) sanctions from Dorna.  Maybe dorna will give his official statement regarding what they will do for Suzuki and race next season. I'm waiting for that.
If Dorna is able to keep Suzuki from leaving next year's MotoGP, then that would be great, but everyone is now holding on to the official statement that was issued by Suzuki before the official statement from Dorna. I would be even more happy if Suzuki could still survive because motorcycle competition will become more and more intense, but due to the high cost issue, Suzuki has to focus in other directions as stated in his statement.
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So far there has been no official statement from Suzuki, let's wait.
The confirmation from Suzuki itself has come out and in general it is very clear that the Suzuki manufacturer is indeed going to leave the MotoGP and other racing events.
Next is the official statement from Suzuki that I read on Suzuki's official website;

"SUZUKI ANNOUNCEMENT"

Team Suzuki Press Office – May 12.

Suzuki Motor Corporation is in discussions with Dorna regarding the possibility of ending its participation in MotoGP at the end of 2022.

It's official after I wrote my post. Of course, it is very sad, the motorcycle competition will be reduced next season. But if it's a final then it looks like we have to get it. Other options may not be obtained by Suzuki so dare to bear (possibly) sanctions from Dorna.  Maybe dorna will give his official statement regarding what they will do for Suzuki and race next season. I'm waiting for that.
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At the Monaco Historic Grand Prix, LecLerc had a very embarrassing mishap, he lost control of Lauda's 1976 Formula 1 Ferrari and slid his rear end into the tyres. The mechanics won't be very happy if the parts are still available or have to be specially made again for the repair, presumably.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-3hXcWg1E

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I think Ferrari can still improve by a lot.  And Leclerc should toughen up and be willing to risk it and go toe to toe vs Verstappen.  He's ahead in points anyway.  Verstappen should be aware of it and won't do Leclerc like he did Hamilton last season.  He would be more careful as he had one race with no points.  He can't risk having another race of having no points again.

The lighter car could also make them faster in the straights.  They have a good power unit for the straights, a good package for the more technical parts of the track and a top driver in Leclerc.  Excited for Spain.  Smiley
"A lot" is a bit of exaggeration. I mean sure Ferrari could improve a bit, but during the season there are very rare situations where teams improve by a lot. For example Mercedes during that Brazil and afterwards run last year, they weren't "amazing" last year, but during that race dude started at last position and finished first and then did it again one day later.

So, I doubt Ferrari has that type of improvement. Maybe a bit, but I do not think that the difference between them and Red Bull will be closing anytime soon, Red Bull will win almost all the races that they can finish, of course unexpected stuff happens in every season, but I see them as winning it this year.

Dunno..  I'm still in this train of thought that there's def still a good chance that they're going to dominate this season.  They have a best power unit as shown with the other teams running on Ferrari power.  They've had better results as of late as compared with seasons prior.  And you know, I think Red Bull is pushing it too much with their power unit and we could see more reliability issues as we did at the start of the season.  The real season has just started this weekend at Spain.  But you're right, 'a lot' is a bit of an exaggeration.  Lol.  

Anyway, I'll start doing these again and try to get more interest from our fellow degens.  Smiley

2022 F1 Spanish GP Schedule

May 20:  Practice 1 14:00 - 15:00
May 20:  Practice 2 17:00 - 18:00
May 21:  Practice 3 13:00 - 14:00
May 21:  Qualifying 16:00 - 17:00
May 22:  Race 15:00 - 17:00

Anybody think Verstappen gets pole at quali this time around?
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Meregalli: "To fight for the win, we have to prepare for the race in a perfect way, do a perfect qualifying and also have a perfect start. When you can't get a perfect start, like Fabio today, it becomes difficult, even if Fabio's pace allows it him to reach a better finishing position. To overtake at a track like this, with this circuit layout, is very complicated for us. We have to manage this situation race by race. We leave Le Mans now and look forward to the next race at Mugello" Source: YamahaMotoGP.com/quartararo.id
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I think Ferrari can still improve by a lot.  And Leclerc should toughen up and be willing to risk it and go toe to toe vs Verstappen.  He's ahead in points anyway.  Verstappen should be aware of it and won't do Leclerc like he did Hamilton last season.  He would be more careful as he had one race with no points.  He can't risk having another race of having no points again.

The lighter car could also make them faster in the straights.  They have a good power unit for the straights, a good package for the more technical parts of the track and a top driver in Leclerc.  Excited for Spain.  Smiley
"A lot" is a bit of exaggeration. I mean sure Ferrari could improve a bit, but during the season there are very rare situations where teams improve by a lot. For example Mercedes during that Brazil and afterwards run last year, they weren't "amazing" last year, but during that race dude started at last position and finished first and then did it again one day later.

So, I doubt Ferrari has that type of improvement. Maybe a bit, but I do not think that the difference between them and Red Bull will be closing anytime soon, Red Bull will win almost all the races that they can finish, of course unexpected stuff happens in every season, but I see them as winning it this year.
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Ferrari plans to use a new color starting in Barcelona, and the new paint is expected to save about 700 grams in weight. Is such a large reduction in weight even possible, seems like a lot to me...

And that although Ferrari is already to use the lightest color in the whole field 🤔

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ferrari-non-svernicia-la-f1-75-ma-toglie-il-trasparente/10303060/

Whoah.

In the article, they are talking about 3 KG overall.
That is a big number, the average loss is 2.5/10 of a second for every 10kg.

So if that is true only by the weight they will be 1/10 faster, without considering the real improvments.

I think Ferrari can still improve by a lot.  And Leclerc should toughen up and be willing to risk it and go toe to toe vs Verstappen.  He's ahead in points anyway.  Verstappen should be aware of it and won't do Leclerc like he did Hamilton last season.  He would be more careful as he had one race with no points.  He can't risk having another race of having no points again.

The lighter car could also make them faster in the straights.  They have a good power unit for the straights, a good package for the more technical parts of the track and a top driver in Leclerc.  Excited for Spain.  Smiley
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Guys, did you saw what Leclerc did today? There was event of historical F1 cars in Monaco and he crashed 1974 Ferrari of Niki Lauda:
https://youtu.be/MN-3hXcWg1E
It should be shitty feeling to crash such legendary car, especially at your home track.
BTW, I'm amazed how small these old cars looks compared with current ones. In old days it was possible to race and overtake even in Monaco track.
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