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Quote from: swogerino on April 14, 2022, 08:51:03 AM

While I think Rossi is an absolute legend I also think that he was somewhat lucky to fight against his main rival Max Biaggi the hardest battles which in the end crowned Rossi as the winner of the top class several years in a row.Many will say that when Lorenzo come Rossi was old and maybe this was the truth,but since then Lorenzo and after him Marquez they both beat Rossi but being younger at age than Rossi.

Sure there is no comparison in titles and GP wins between Rossi,Lorenzo and Marquez because Rossi has much more but just stating that these guys had their glory in different times.

Rossi will remain a legend in MotoGP for a long time, I don't think Marquez (even though he is a very good rider) will ever reach that status. I think Marquez's career will be over soon, I don't think he will be able to become world champion after all the injuries.

The only one I would put on a par with Rossi at the moment is Mick Doohan, but that was a very different era, even though Rossi was already racing in the 2 stroke 500cc class, that was very very dangerous indeed.

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Small new for 2026.

As you may know, engines are locked until 2026 but they already talked about it.

The will improve in 4 years giving more power to the Hybrid part.

Redbull now wants to ask FIA to be able to spend more money than the others team because they consider themself a new manufacturer of engines. Roll Eyes

They are capable of doing that, but I doubt that the engines that they'll make will not have any DNA of Honda engines which they used for a long time. I'm excited with this new season for Ferrari, Merc, and Red Bull. Ferrari and Red Bull so far has been contending for the best car, with Mercedes having some issues lately. Perhaps Red Bull spending more and focusing on creating their new engines will pay off, but Ferrari is still doing their own magic too with their cars.

Technically speaking they removed themselves form Honda, bought the Honda factory that built the F1 engines, and they are building their own engines right now. Is it "red bull engine"? Technically no, it is still Honda engine that is owned by red bull, instead of leased by them yearly.

So, could they spend more on their engine? They could, the rules say that if you are a new engine manufacturer then you should be spending more to catch up, but at the same time this engine was worked on for a decade already, no idea if spending more is needed, the case is for new engine manufacturers and not for improving an already existing engine by someone else. If this is the case, Mercedes could give their engine to McLaren next year or Williams and tell them to spend a lot, and improve, and then get it back year after that and spend more and keep repeating that.

I don’t think they’ll be given the permission, because they brought the Honda factory and this will look like they’re trying to find a loophole within the rules. Also this season Ferrari should be winning most of the races, unless Mercedes can quickly fix their mess, other wise only Red Bill will be left to challenge Ferrari for the title.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 13, 2022, 05:28:30 PM

Small new for 2026.

As you may know, engines are locked until 2026 but they already talked about it.

The will improve in 4 years giving more power to the Hybrid part.

Redbull now wants to ask FIA to be able to spend more money than the others team because they consider themself a new manufacturer of engines. Roll Eyes

They are capable of doing that, but I doubt that the engines that they'll make will not have any DNA of Honda engines which they used for a long time. I'm excited with this new season for Ferrari, Merc, and Red Bull. Ferrari and Red Bull so far has been contending for the best car, with Mercedes having some issues lately. Perhaps Red Bull spending more and focusing on creating their new engines will pay off, but Ferrari is still doing their own magic too with their cars.

Technically speaking they removed themselves form Honda, bought the Honda factory that built the F1 engines, and they are building their own engines right now. Is it "red bull engine"? Technically no, it is still Honda engine that is owned by red bull, instead of leased by them yearly.

So, could they spend more on their engine? They could, the rules say that if you are a new engine manufacturer then you should be spending more to catch up, but at the same time this engine was worked on for a decade already, no idea if spending more is needed, the case is for new engine manufacturers and not for improving an already existing engine by someone else. If this is the case, Mercedes could give their engine to McLaren next year or Williams and tell them to spend a lot, and improve, and then get it back year after that and spend more and keep repeating that.

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Good sign from Mercedes, we probably never seen something like this from RedBulls.

Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1514547782945812482

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 14, 2022, 07:55:34 AM

I think so too, especially for the factory team. The customer teams that have the specifications from last year definitely have it a bit easier than the factory team, because they can fall back on data from last year, it's more difficult for the factory team, but it should be expected from a factory team that they can manage that.

In terms of the package of the motorbike that Enea Bastianini is riding this year, it is purely last year's specifications which are very complete and easy to control by every rider.
It is proven that for this year Bastianini has won twice and also last year Bagnaia had won several times with the GP21 motor spec that he used last year.
So for this year the factory Ducati team is obviously a little difficult with this year's spec bike so there are still small things that need to be improved on the current bike.

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Quote from: swogerino on April 14, 2022, 08:51:03 AM

While I think Rossi is an absolute legend I also think that he was somewhat lucky to fight against his main rival Max Biaggi the hardest battles which in the end crowned Rossi as the winner of the top class several years in a row.Many will say that when Lorenzo come Rossi was old and maybe this was the truth,but since then Lorenzo and after him Marquez they both beat Rossi but being younger at age than Rossi.

Age is something that cannot be denied by anyone in any sport, including MotoGP. Well when Lorenzo came to MotoGP in 2008 it was also not immediately good in competition, while Rossi continued to win races and world championships in 2008 and also in 2009. Right in 2010 Rossi suffered an injury that required him to miss several races so Lorenzo was able to take advantage of the situation to captured his first victory and world championship in the MotoGP class.
While Marquez is a new person who has entered MotoGP since 2013 where Rossi himself is getting older even though he can still compete in front of the easy racers at that time and also won several races.

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Sure there is no comparison in titles and GP wins between Rossi,Lorenzo and Marquez because Rossi has much more but just stating that these guys had their glory in different times.

There are still many records that have not been obtained by Lorenzo before retiring and also by Marquez who is still racing until now, so every comparison there must be an advantage in only one rider and that is Rossi and not the other.

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While I think Rossi is an absolute legend I also think that he was somewhat lucky to fight against his main rival Max Biaggi the hardest battles which in the end crowned Rossi as the winner of the top class several years in a row.Many will say that when Lorenzo come Rossi was old and maybe this was the truth,but since then Lorenzo and after him Marquez they both beat Rossi but being younger at age than Rossi.

Sure there is no comparison in titles and GP wins between Rossi,Lorenzo and Marquez because Rossi has much more but just stating that these guys had their glory in different times.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 12, 2022, 02:07:39 AM

I think Miller will not be completely satisfied either, at the beginning it looked like Miller could fight for the win, I think Miller had problems with the tyre in the race, the Ducati factory team still has a lot of work to do with the set-up, it seems the Ducati customer teams have the set-up better under control than the factory team with the 2022 bike.

It is very possible because I saw the Pramac Racing Ducati team also having problems when the race was only a few laps away, even though at the beginning of the race the Pramac Racing Ducati team was also good with rider Jorge Martin who also used the GP22 motorcycle spec, and almost the same thing happened to two factory Ducati riders both of whom were already starting to weaken as the race was almost over and I think that has something to do with the worn out tires problem.

I think so too, especially for the factory team. The customer teams that have the specifications from last year definitely have it a bit easier than the factory team, because they can fall back on data from last year, it's more difficult for the factory team, but it should be expected from a factory team that they can manage that.

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Top Speed MotoGP America 2022

Enea Bastianini was able to become a racer with the highest top speed, even though he went down with a motorbike last season, the Ducati Desmosedici GP21.

Yamaha racer, Fabio Quartararo, only recorded a top speed of 337.5 km/hour. When compared with Bastianini, Quartararo's top speed lags by more than 13 km/hour.

Interestingly, even though in terms of top speed, he is still far behind, Fabio Quartararo is still able to finish in seventh place or the best among Yamaha riders in the 2022 American MotoGP. ^{(Source: gpzone.id)}

Yamaha has unfortunately not done anything or improved the engine over the winter, which clearly shows Suzuki, who have the same engine concept.

The Ducati factory team also uses the engine specification from last year and not the current one.

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Looking at the comparison of these two riders in terms of racing, I think they were both great at their time and also able to set new records that had never existed in the past although there are also many old records of Valentino Rossi that new riders still haven't been able to break. at this time, for example like;

World champion with satellite team
World champion with two different manufacturers
World Champion 5 times in a row
Capable of a career for 25 years in the Grand Prix
Retired from Grand Prix at 42 years old

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 13, 2022, 05:28:30 PM

Small new for 2026.

As you may know, engines are locked until 2026 but they already talked about it.

The will improve in 4 years giving more power to the Hybrid part.

Redbull now wants to ask FIA to be able to spend more money than the others team because they consider themself a new manufacturer of engines. Roll Eyes

They are capable of doing that, but I doubt that the engines that they'll make will not have any DNA of Honda engines which they used for a long time. I'm excited with this new season for Ferrari, Merc, and Red Bull. Ferrari and Red Bull so far has been contending for the best car, with Mercedes having some issues lately. Perhaps Red Bull spending more and focusing on creating their new engines will pay off, but Ferrari is still doing their own magic too with their cars.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 13, 2022, 05:28:30 PM

Redbull now wants to ask FIA to be able to spend more money than the others team because they consider themself a new manufacturer of engines. Roll Eyes

Really? That doesn't sound like Red Bull at all! Roll Eyes

Quote from: tygeade on April 14, 2022, 12:31:44 AM

Last year, since the battle for the champion went to the last race, both Mercedes and red bull kept on spending money on their last years car to win it all, which worked for both of them since one of them got driver championship and the other got the constructors, but to be fair that resulted with both teams being worse than Ferrari this year because of it.

Yeah, one won the constructors title and one was given the drivers title. Cheesy

I think Ferrari's focus on this year's car has definitely paid off. But IIRC, although Merc worked on the 2021 car throughout 2021, I think the previous year they stopped development mid-way through the season so they could work on the 2022 car, even though at that time it was a year and a half away. Mercedes have been quite poor really, if they were planning this car from a long way out, and failed to foresee the issues with it.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 13, 2022, 10:29:48 AM

It's a huge blow for Red Bull and Verstappen. But it also doesn't mean that Ferrari doesn't have the fastest package of the season as of now. Obv their power unit has been way better than last year. Check out the other cars using a Ferrari power unit. They're also having better results.

Red Bull would need to get lucky and have the Ferraris finishing a couple of races without points to close the gap. But seeing how consistent Leclerc is, I pretty much doubt it's happening.

It is both about the car being faster and the engine being better, but it is also about how they handled the new regulations as well. You have to realize that this year is a new year and with a new car everyone had equal chances and Ferrari knew this and put most of their money into this year's car.

Last year, since the battle for the champion went to the last race, both Mercedes and red bull kept on spending money on their last years car to win it all, which worked for both of them since one of them got driver championship and the other got the constructors, but to be fair that resulted with both teams being worse than Ferrari this year because of it.

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Small new for 2026.

As you may know, engines are locked until 2026 but they already talked about it.

The will improve in 4 years giving more power to the Hybrid part.

Redbull now wants to ask FIA to be able to spend more money than the others team because they consider themself a new manufacturer of engines. Roll Eyes

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Top Speed MotoGP America 2022

Enea Bastianini was able to become a racer with the highest top speed, even though he went down with a motorbike last season, the Ducati Desmosedici GP21.

Yamaha racer, Fabio Quartararo, only recorded a top speed of 337.5 km/hour. When compared with Bastianini, Quartararo's top speed lags by more than 13 km/hour.

Interestingly, even though in terms of top speed, he is still far behind, Fabio Quartararo is still able to finish in seventh place or the best among Yamaha riders in the 2022 American MotoGP. ^{(Source: gpzone.id)}

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 12, 2022, 12:23:58 AM

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LeClerc won and domintated the whole GP.
It was not even close for Verstappen who got even problems later and retired.

Sad result for Sainz too.

Leclerc was leading all the laps of the race, had the fastest lap and won the grand prix. That's some sort of grand slam and it hasn't happened in a while. I'm not sure when the last it has happened. Hamilton? Vettel?

But yeah, I could see Ferrari winning the constructor's championship and Leclerc with the driver's championship.. And I don't know what's with F1 and hating the dominating team but I kinda feel like rooting for Hamilton now. Lolol. Cheesy

Charles definitely looks like he is dominating this season but mainly because Max has failed to finish 2 races so far, and none of them his fault neither, car reliability is a serious question at this point. I am sure that they will start doing better but they are basically screwed right now mainly because of these two races already, and to imagine more in the coming weeks is quite scary.

Yup exactly. It's a huge blow for Red Bull and Verstappen. But it also doesn't mean that Ferrari doesn't have the fastest package of the season as of now. Obv their power unit has been way better than last year. Check out the other cars using a Ferrari power unit. They're also having better results.

Red Bull would need to get lucky and have the Ferraris finishing a couple of races without points to close the gap. But seeing how consistent Leclerc is, I pretty much doubt it's happening.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 12, 2022, 12:23:58 AM

Charles definitely looks like he is dominating this season but mainly because Max has failed to finish 2 races so far, and none of them his fault neither, car reliability is a serious question at this point. I am sure that they will start doing better but they are basically screwed right now mainly because of these two races already, and to imagine more in the coming weeks is quite scary.

Yep, this problem is made worse when it's always the same people at the front. If Leclerc and Verstappen were vying for places with other drivers, and could be expected to finish anywhere in the top 5, it wouldn't be so much of an issue. But the fact is, RB and Ferrari are a lot faster than other cars, and the #2 drivers for RB and Ferrari aren't as good... so in most races you'd expect Leclerc and Verstappen to always be the front 2, which means if Max retires and Charles wins, it then takes 4 race victories for Max to make up the deficit, because Charles will still be getting 2nd and 18pts each time.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 12, 2022, 02:07:39 AM

I think Miller will not be completely satisfied either, at the beginning it looked like Miller could fight for the win, I think Miller had problems with the tyre in the race, the Ducati factory team still has a lot of work to do with the set-up, it seems the Ducati customer teams have the set-up better under control than the factory team with the 2022 bike.

It is very possible because I saw the Pramac Racing Ducati team also having problems when the race was only a few laps away, even though at the beginning of the race the Pramac Racing Ducati team was also good with rider Jorge Martin who also used the GP22 motorcycle spec, and almost the same thing happened to two factory Ducati riders both of whom were already starting to weaken as the race was almost over and I think that has something to do with the worn out tires problem.

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Jack Miller finished the American GP with mixed feelings. This Ducati Team racer led the race for a long time before finally having to settle for finishing third.

"I can no longer count the number of times he overtook me in the last moments of the race and when I saw him slip, I knew very well how well he could manage the tires," Miller said of Bastianini.

Jack Miller, starting from the second grid, did a great job, starting the race and quickly leading 15 laps without threat. But once again, the brilliant management of La Bestia bears positive results.

He had enough resources, especially in terms of tires, to improve his performance in the final laps, when the 24-year-old Rimini rider felt threatened by Alex Rins (Suzuki Ecstar) in P3.

"I did my best to stay away, but they (Bastianini and Rins) pressed intensely. I made a few little mistakes, I was 0.7 or 0.8 seconds ahead, then I missed Turn 11 a little bit once or twice and Enea caught me on the straights," Miller said. ^{(Source: Motorsport.com/gpzone.id)}

I think Miller will not be completely satisfied either, at the beginning it looked like Miller could fight for the win, I think Miller had problems with the tyre in the race, the Ducati factory team still has a lot of work to do with the set-up, it seems the Ducati customer teams have the set-up better under control than the factory team with the 2022 bike.

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Jack Miller finished the American GP with mixed feelings. This Ducati Team racer led the race for a long time before finally having to settle for finishing third.

"I can no longer count the number of times he overtook me in the last moments of the race and when I saw him slip, I knew very well how well he could manage the tires," Miller said of Bastianini.

Jack Miller, starting from the second grid, did a great job, starting the race and quickly leading 15 laps without threat. But once again, the brilliant management of La Bestia bears positive results.

He had enough resources, especially in terms of tires, to improve his performance in the final laps, when the 24-year-old Rimini rider felt threatened by Alex Rins (Suzuki Ecstar) in P3.

"I did my best to stay away, but they (Bastianini and Rins) pressed intensely. I made a few little mistakes, I was 0.7 or 0.8 seconds ahead, then I missed Turn 11 a little bit once or twice and Enea caught me on the straights," Miller said. ^{(Source: Motorsport.com/gpzone.id)}

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 11, 2022, 10:07:24 AM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 10, 2022, 02:01:27 AM

LeClerc won and domintated the whole GP.
It was not even close for Verstappen who got even problems later and retired.

Sad result for Sainz too.

Leclerc was leading all the laps of the race, had the fastest lap and won the grand prix. That's some sort of grand slam and it hasn't happened in a while. I'm not sure when the last it has happened. Hamilton? Vettel?

But yeah, I could see Ferrari winning the constructor's championship and Leclerc with the driver's championship.. And I don't know what's with F1 and hating the dominating team but I kinda feel like rooting for Hamilton now. Lolol. Cheesy

I am sure it shouldn't be that far back, that sounds like something one racer can done at least once a season. Max had that Austrian race he dominated but can't remember if he had the fastest lap, with how things looked there, I am sure someone else may have stolen it since it was obvious they couldn't win.

Charles definitely looks like he is dominating this season but mainly because Max has failed to finish 2 races so far, and none of them his fault neither, car reliability is a serious question at this point. I am sure that they will start doing better but they are basically screwed right now mainly because of these two races already, and to imagine more in the coming weeks is quite scary.

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