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today and tomorrow we have more  testing for drivers of Pirelli next season 18 INCH wheels for day one most of the teams chose 1 driver for one day Ferrrari chose both Leclerc and their test driver for today and for 2nd day is for the other driver and every driver have limited sets of tires with different compound but what is interesting is that George Russel will be testing for the to days and Hamilton is not going to be doing more testing on the tires so he can feel what it  will be like next season.
that make you question why he will not be doing that.
This also a good opportunity for Alfa Romeo to see how Bottas driving their car with the Ferrari engine and the new kid Zhou it will be good for their preparations next year.

Finally the VR46 team officially uses Ducati, I had heard yamaha will be with him but it looks like it's canceled. It's pretty curious if they're capable of competing with the old team. At least VR46 has a motorcycle capital that has great power, and the ducati team's race results were also good last season. They're in the final class in quick succession. Reportedly they will use a Ducati Desmosedici GP21.

Kimi Raikkonen has retired by this race unfortunately. But even he wasn't very eager to race in F1 anymore. He was just looking forward to see the end of the season and get away from here. And he also pointed out long time ago that he achieved the things he set as goals for himself. He was racing just for fun. But when it comes to Alonso, I can't say the same thing. He is still too eager to win another title with his current team, Alpine. He wants his team to develop a great car for the coming season to be able to compete with current top drivers like Verstappen and Hamilton.

I wanted a change and a new winner, but at the same time, my preferred champion would have been 'anyone but Verstappen'. He's a really fast driver, but he just seems like a dick, in the same way that Schumacher used to.  If all drivers had had a chance, I'd have probably liked Kimi or Alonso to win the title. But the one I still want to win, even though he's not there racing any more, is Massa, after that championship decider in Brazil all those years ago.




My hope is that the change in regulations work as intended, and we see much closer racing, much more overtaking, and a lot of teams able to fight it out at the front. My expectation though is that one team will interpret the regulations better than the others, and we'll end up with a dominant team again. Most likely, yet again, Mercedes. But even if they were all competing in perfectly equal cars, you'd still expect to see Max and Lewis heading up the road, miles clear of the pack.

Then congrats to Verstappen on his championship after a superb journey! I like Hamilton too but I really wanted to see something changing in the season we've just left behind. I'm really thankful for Verstappen as he did this. From now on, the biggest thing I'll be wondering is going to be whether the other teams and drivers will be approaching the level of Verstappen and Hamilton in the next season.

I'm sure it's not about the money, it's about the championship. If they wanted a race under any circumstances instead of finishing behind safety car, then they could have released as is, yes... but if that was in order to have a single lap shoot-out between Max and Lewis, why not just red flag it and send everyone back to pits. Then race could resume from the grid, and we may have had a few laps instead of one lap, with everyone on fresh tyres.



Yes, it does seem very unlikely that the FIA will convene a panel which then rules against the FIA! I'm no legal expert, but although they can't take it to the CAS, and the FIA appears to be the final authority here... still, you would think there might be something in French law whereby a legal case can go to a higher authority if the people you are fighting are the ones judging it.

It looks like there will be no change for the decision about the champion and Verstappen can be relieved from now on. Even if FIA accepted their huge mistake, they wouldn't put it to Verstappen. It is their mistake in the end. Verstappen had a very clean lap and deserved to be the champion. Anyway, I'm already looking forward to watching the new season in F1. I think that this result is going to fire Hamilton up and he could win his 8th title for having the record. But we can't say anything already now as we don't know which teams will have a big advantage in the next season.

@Kusman it’s end of the line for Mercedes because to take it to court they need to convince F1 appointed panels to give a verdict against F1, and that’s not going to happen. However they yet have time to file that last appeal, but I think even they know it that’s it going to be rejected so doesn’t make any sense now to file it.

The 2022 season hasn't started yet, 2023 is already blowing hard in Spain. There are some secret talks between the agent and the team. The most popular one today is the meeting between manager Fabio Quartararo and the Honda team. Where Honda is currently looking for the strongest racer on the Grid to be able to replace Marc Marquez.. Ehh, accompanying Marc Marquez

How's it going.. just wait, gang it won't be any less exciting than the f1 drama
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CXarFX1JwBy/

I've read some news like all of Mercedes' objections were rejected by FIA and they aren't going to object to the decision anymore. And it is claimed that Lewis Hamilton also didn't want Mercedes to do that. I'm pretty sure that Lewis Hamilton is very dissappointed and angry at FIA's decisions but there is nothing to do from now on. This won't change Verstappen's winning the title.

^  I’m just saying if it’s all about the money.  But if Toto Wolff is fighting for what’s right then I agree with coinlocket$.  It’s questionable letting the lapped cars pass the safety car.  They should have been released as is and waved a blue flag all around.  

And coinlocket$, everybody itt knows that you’re a huge Ferrari fan.  So no need to defend yourself.  I was a Ferrari fan too...  During all those years when Vettel drove for the team.  

I saw this Instagram story and I don't judge him for being this happy definitely. Because the thing he cares about the most is the team and it is totally normal. Like you said, if Hamilton won the race and became the champion then all the money earned by this championship were going to be Hamilton's. Toto Wolff is free to be this happy about winning the Constructor's Championship.

If the problem is about money, Mercedes won the constructor’s championship, the money won there will to the team.  In the driver’s championship the bonus money will go only to Hamilton.  So if it’s all about the money, I don’t think Toto Wolff gives two effs after how many of their appeals were rejected or will be rejected.

He seems very happy winning the constructor’s championship if you ask me...  

I check Instagram of F1 daily and I follow all of the drivers and some team directors there but what I see missing is that Lewis Hamilton is quiet during this time,he is probably thinking about the season that just ended and what he can do to become for the eight time World Champion next year,it won't be easy with Russell as teammate and Verstappen as opponent.Meanwhile all other drivers are posting positive vibes about how their season was and how many points they scored.It looks like Hamilton is already thinking about the 2022 Championship.

Yes, it is quite clear. They broke two rules in order to ensure Max won. If they'd only broken one rule, either a) all lapped cars overtake, instead of some, or b) safety car goes in at the end of the following lap, not immediately... then there wouldn't have been time to resume, and the race would have finished under safety car. The only way they could get Max to win was to break both rules and also keep everyone out on track. In fact initially they said lapped cars could not overtake... but then realised (perhaps under pressure from Horner on the radio) that if they did that, then Max wouldn't catch Lewis. They not only broke both rules, they also went back on a decision they'd just made.

And the reason about "we wanted to let them race" rings hollow... if they wanted that, then red flag it as they have done in the very recent past, let everyone get new tyres on, and then have a few laps of honest racing. It's quite clear that what they actually wanted was a new champion, to try to get some new interest in the sport, because it's boring if the same person and same team wins every year. Engineering a situation where you have one driver on fresh softs and another on very old hards, and saying we will let them battle it out is utterly ludicrous to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the sport... no way in hell Lewis could hold off Max for a lap in that situation.



Yes. Mercedes may or may not appeal, but it's not likely the result will be changed now. It's not a great look for the sport. Many people will not recognise Max as the champion, and even in the very unlikely event that the decision was reversed, many would not recognise Lewis as champion now either.

Personally I would welcome a new champion after so many years of Hamilton winning every time... but I just can't see Max as the world champion, because he didn't win the title, it was taken from the actual winner and given to him just to create some interest. So we have this weird limbo now.

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It is talked about that Mercedes may not even appeal anymore. There is a good line in contract for FIA that states if the Race Director believes that it is the safest way, he could ignore the rules and make up a new decision on the spot. Which means that we are talking about Masi being able to let only 5 cars overtake the safety car and keep others behind, that is literally against the rules in the handbook but at the same rule book it states Masi can do whatever he wants.

Yes, that is abuse of power and yes that shows that there are some needs for better rules and there needs to be less involvement of Race Director that end up deciding on the winner. But from how Toto managed to have fun that night and how Bottas was fine, it is all looking like in the end they won't care and let the be rules be rules and focus on next year. After all even they wouldn't want a championship won in court.

The whole idea that it was required to have a final lap, after the previous advantage Lewis had earned was eliminated both through the passing of cars and the fact his opponent was on fresh tires was absurd. If they wanted a fair race then it should have been an immediate red flag and the final 5 laps both Max and Lewis should have been on fresh tires in the same position. This has made the whole sport a joke and given Max a hollow victory. They're both great drivers, but Lewis was clearly faster all race - even after he got blocked by Perez he pulled away again. All of the racing decision making officials deserve to be sacked and if Masi had a shred of decency left he would have resigned already. Alas, they'll be another time to race.

The deadline for the new appeal for Mercedes is still Thursday after that date it will be impossible for them to go to court.

To me, they are in the right.

I'm not a Mercedes fan at all, Mercedes is my archenemy but FIA stole the title from Hamilton.

That's good news. Yes, no team should be able to contact him. And it does appear to be one of the reasons for his change of decision in the race... initially he said lapped cars wouldn't be allowed to overtake, Horner complained, and then Masi changed his mind and said yes, they can (but only the few that Red Bull wanted). But yes, both teams have been at it all season, and it shouldn't be allowed.

However, after the way he handled that last race, I would assume that next season, teams will actually be allowed to talk to Masi all they want... because he will no longer be in that job. First job for the new FIA president after the election is to sack Masi, surely?

It was announced that next season teams won't be allowed to communicate with Masi. It was really ridiculous to hear Horner or Wolf constantly crying to him on radio and making pressure. I think it may one of main reason why he handled situation in this way like he did.
Mick was fighting with Latifi, but Latifi crashed not because of it. It was his own mistake. But offcourse, Mick was happy about how things ended. Vettel too.