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I think Max Verstappen will be the winner in the Australian GP. Having more straights on the track will be an advantage for the Red-Bull team. Because this team is good on the straights man. Ferrari shines in training but I feel like things will turn in Red-Bull's favor in race.
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Now , I wonder , why did Vettel remain in F1 ? this dude is still a legend and he could've retired and hope for a comeback in greater car.


This question has an easy answer. Money.

Vettel earns 15m € / year at Aston Martin.

It's always about the money...  As the case for almost everybody in all fields of profession and all walks of life.  But he did take a pay cut to be in Aston Martin tho.  So it's either he thinks the team could improve and help him get back on track to be at tthe top or he took the pay cut cos nobody else would take him.  Cheesy

Anyway, looks like Mercedes hasn't figured out a way to fix their porpoising issue yet...  Ferrari is looking good and Red Bull prolly could use some luck again to win the race.  Let's see after quali.  My money is on Leclerc tho.
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Now , I wonder , why did Vettel remain in F1 ? this dude is still a legend and he could've retired and hope for a comeback in greater car.


This question has an easy answer. Money.

Vettel earns 15m € / year at Aston Martin.
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1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m18.978s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m19.223s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m19.376s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m19.537s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m19.658s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m19.842s
7   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m20.055s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.0100s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m20.142s
10   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.203s
11   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.212s
12   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m20.424s
13   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.521s
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m20.611s
15   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.063s
16   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m21.191s
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m21.912s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m21.974s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m22.307s
20   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1000302/1/f1-2022-australian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2


Ferrari is very very competitive in this track

It seems that Lady Fortune really doesn't like Vettel anymore or neither does his team it seems. Now , I wonder , why did Vettel remain in F1 ? this dude is still a legend and he could've retired and hope for a comeback in greater car.

Anyway , you're right , Ferrari is clearly in front of everyone at this time and as far as I know and read , both Mercedes and RedBull are having a way to heavy car to compete with Ferrari.
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The provisional standings for the Rookie Of The Year are very fierce even though the number of points looks very small, but for now the drivers from Mooney Vr46 Racing Team have led the standings with a distance of just one point from Darryn Binder.
Let's take a look at some of the surprises that might happen in this Race held at the Circuit Of The Americas, and hopefully the weather can be very good
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Apart from Marc Marquez who has been dubbed the King of the Cota because he has won 7 times there in the primary class, a Suzuki factory rider named Alex Rins has also won three times there, in different classes.
Alex Rins has won at COTA in all 3 Grand Prix classes

  • 2013 - Moto3
  • 2016 - Moto2
  • 2019 - MotoGP

So, will Marc Marquez be able to add to his winning collection to 8 times or will Alex Rins try to add another victory in the primary class at the circuit of the Americas?
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Right at the MotoGP event which will be held at the circuit of the americas which is located in Austin Cota, all racers or everyone will celebrate the 500th Grand Prix and from the data and statistics that already exist in the past, Marc Marquez has the opportunity to win the Race again in Circuit of the Americas is therefore claimed to be Marc Marquez's favorite circuit.
Do you all think that Marc Marquez will be able to win the race at the 500th Grand Prix?
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Mercedes would go back to the roots with paint removal  Cheesy Cheesy, that's how they got the legendary name "Silver Arrows". If nobody knows the story, in 1934 at the Eifel race the racing cars were allowed to have a maximum weight of 750kg and the Mercedes (W25) had 751kg, so Manfred von Brauchitsch had the idea to sand off the paint in order to reach the minimum weight, remember that in former times the paint layers were much thicker.

But because of the sponsors alone, I can't imagine that happening nowadays. Maybe a full body foil would be lighter than the paint?

That's a really interesting story, thanks. I had no idea that was where the name came from!
Here's an image of that 1934 car from the Wikipedia page. I think the cars have developed a bit since then, but it still looks great even if it's nearly a hundred years old! Smiley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows

Yes it was a long time ago and in the past driving an F1 car was also very very dangerous compared to today, just think the car had about 400 hp at 750 kg weight, so only half the power at the same weight and a completely different technique for the grip, so almost none and also with a top speed of nearly 300 km/h.

Incredible to drive with something like that.

Back to the present.

@Cnut237 I agree with you it’s nearly impossible for them to fix it by this weekend, but I’m personally expecting them to fix it in coming weeks rather than delay fixing it for months.

Yes, I do expect them to fix the issue and deliver a much faster car... but the key point for me is that the other cars are under development as well. If in a month's time Mercedes have got a car that could challenge the RBs and Ferraris that started the season, then that may not be enough, as both Red Bull and Ferrari will also be bringing upgrades. It's certainly not impossible for Merc to be at the front later this year, but they really have a difficult task.

I also think Mercedes should not be written off, they have a different design than Ferrari and RedBull, if they get their proposing problems under control (and I assume they will) they will be more competitive than in the first races.
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1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m18.978s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m19.223s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m19.376s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m19.537s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m19.658s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m19.842s
7   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m20.055s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.0100s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m20.142s
10   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.203s
11   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.212s
12   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m20.424s
13   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.521s
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m20.611s
15   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.063s
16   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m21.191s
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m21.912s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m21.974s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m22.307s
20   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1000302/1/f1-2022-australian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2


Ferrari is very very competitive in this track
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@Cnut237 I agree with you it’s nearly impossible for them to fix it by this weekend, but I’m personally expecting them to fix it in coming weeks rather than delay fixing it for months.

Yes, I do expect them to fix the issue and deliver a much faster car... but the key point for me is that the other cars are under development as well. If in a month's time Mercedes have got a car that could challenge the RBs and Ferraris that started the season, then that may not be enough, as both Red Bull and Ferrari will also be bringing upgrades. It's certainly not impossible for Merc to be at the front later this year, but they really have a difficult task.
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^  Porsche has been showing their intent and interest to join F1 but nothing really came out of it.  But yeah..  It's cool if they did join.



Exactly, that's why there's still room for these guys to get a little more faster, esp Red Bull.  As is I think Ferrari has the quickest package.  So Red Bull has to figure out how to get rid of the extra weight.  As for Mercedes, it's the porpoising.  If they solve that problem then they will def by a problem for Ferrari and Red Bull.  Grin  I'm all for it.  Would be nice to see three teams battling it out for the most points per race instead of two.

Winner market for the Australian GP has Verstappen as the slight favorite at 2.25 and Leclerc at 2.50.  Quali lines are pretty close between both too, 2.25 and 2.35.

If they will resolve it I think they will be the car to beat and I'm not joking.

Who, Mercedes?  Yeah they could be if they figure it out.  They do still supposedly have the best power unit out on the track every weekend.  Just couldn't show it.  And I'm also not joking when I say I think that Ferrari has a better power unit than Red Bull.  We could see it in all the cars running the Ferrari power unit...  The Alfa Romeo cars and the Haas cars are all running them afaik.

Nothing really changed in the betting market.  In what week does everybody think Mercedes fixing the porpoising issue?  Hamilton is 15.00 and Russell us at 25.00 to get pole for quali.

@tokeweed I never knew that Porsche was keen to try their hands in F1 and it would have been fun to see them compete, furthermore you’re right about Ferrari and let’s hope that this season they reclaim their lost glory.


I don't know, but it won't be this week. I'd be astonished if they've somehow fixed everything and have made up that 1 minute+ deficit to the best cars.

I'm not saying they won't fix it at some point, but it looks like quite a serious issue with no quick-fix.

@Cnut237 I agree with you it’s nearly impossible for them to fix it by this weekend, but I’m personally expecting them to fix it in coming weeks rather than delay fixing it for months.
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In what week does everybody think Mercedes fixing the porpoising issue?

I don't know, but it won't be this week. I'd be astonished if they've somehow fixed everything and have made up that 1 minute+ deficit to the best cars.

I'm not saying they won't fix it at some point, but it looks like quite a serious issue with no quick-fix.
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^  Porsche has been showing their intent and interest to join F1 but nothing really came out of it.  But yeah..  It's cool if they did join.



Exactly, that's why there's still room for these guys to get a little more faster, esp Red Bull.  As is I think Ferrari has the quickest package.  So Red Bull has to figure out how to get rid of the extra weight.  As for Mercedes, it's the porpoising.  If they solve that problem then they will def by a problem for Ferrari and Red Bull.  Grin  I'm all for it.  Would be nice to see three teams battling it out for the most points per race instead of two.

Winner market for the Australian GP has Verstappen as the slight favorite at 2.25 and Leclerc at 2.50.  Quali lines are pretty close between both too, 2.25 and 2.35.

If they will resolve it I think they will be the car to beat and I'm not joking.

Who, Mercedes?  Yeah they could be if they figure it out.  They do still supposedly have the best power unit out on the track every weekend.  Just couldn't show it.  And I'm also not joking when I say I think that Ferrari has a better power unit than Red Bull.  We could see it in all the cars running the Ferrari power unit...  The Alfa Romeo cars and the Haas cars are all running them afaik.

Nothing really changed in the betting market.  In what week does everybody think Mercedes fixing the porpoising issue?  Hamilton is 15.00 and Russell us at 25.00 to get pole for quali.
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According to rumors, AUDI is very close to joining to F1.

They want to enter but for the final words, they are waiting for the regulations for new engines (2026).

While Porsche will probably enter with REDBULL, AUDI is going with SAUBER(Alfa Romeo).
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Mercedes would go back to the roots with paint removal  Cheesy Cheesy, that's how they got the legendary name "Silver Arrows". If nobody knows the story, in 1934 at the Eifel race the racing cars were allowed to have a maximum weight of 750kg and the Mercedes (W25) had 751kg, so Manfred von Brauchitsch had the idea to sand off the paint in order to reach the minimum weight, remember that in former times the paint layers were much thicker.

But because of the sponsors alone, I can't imagine that happening nowadays. Maybe a full body foil would be lighter than the paint?

That's a really interesting story, thanks. I had no idea that was where the name came from!
Here's an image of that 1934 car from the Wikipedia page. I think the cars have developed a bit since then, but it still looks great even if it's nearly a hundred years old! Smiley


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows
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Mercedes would go back to the roots with paint removal  Cheesy Cheesy, that's how they got the legendary name "Silver Arrows". If nobody knows the story, in 1934 at the Eifel race the racing cars were allowed to have a maximum weight of 750kg and the Mercedes (W25) had 751kg, so Manfred von Brauchitsch had the idea to sand off the paint in order to reach the minimum weight, remember that in former times the paint layers were much thicker.

But because of the sponsors alone, I can't imagine that happening nowadays. Maybe a full body foil would be lighter than the paint?
Lol, I really did not know this at all. Funny enough they would have to get rid of some weight and surely paint is a big part of it these days. You do not have to remove anything though, just scrape it and then repaint a lot thinner instead of bulk.

However, we all know that it won't be that. If they are that much heavier, that must be impacting the race speed for sure, Mercedes still couldn't find a way to use 100% of their power which is scary, so weight is not their priority. But, Red Bull "might" find a solution to get 5kg lighter and then they could literally get better than Ferrari just because of that. Even 0.10 seconds matter in this game, and 5 kg could give you a good advantage.
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Anyway there are some people saying that Red Bull and Mercedes' cars are 5 kg heavier than the Ferrari cars and 10 kg heaviier than the McLaren cars.  I'm not sure how true but that looks like a huge difference.

Mercedes and Redbull are actually complaining about the weight of the cars and they are considering removing the paint for earning a weight loss.

I have seen this honestly and they are right,when they take turns they are not that stable but I think there are other ways to improve it beside removing painting but that maybe is a good start.I don't think Mercedes stand any chance right now to win a race but I am hopeful that they will be back fighting for wins in the second half of the season as told by the team direction.If we manage to have Ferrari,Redbull and Mercedes in almost same performance this Championship is going to be awesome,just like I predict the Australian GP on Sunday to be based on historical data (lots of good battles here over the years).
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As for Mercedes, it's the porpoising.  If they solve that problem then they will def by a problem for Ferrari and Red Bull.

Yep, that's definitely the root of their problem.


I'm all for it.  Would be nice to see three teams battling it out for the most points per race instead of two.

It would definitely be a welcome scenario to have six drivers who could all potentially win the race, I can't really imagine it!
As others have said, we can't write Merc off yet... but it is a huge deficit to recover, whilst RB and Ferrari will no doubt be bringing their own upgrades.
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Marc Marquez :

"I'm really happy to be back, it feels great especially to be able to do that at one of my favorite circuits. Regardless of the situation, I really enjoyed racing in Texas and have great memories there."

"We have some things to work on after not racing for two races and the whole weekend in Argentina. So I'm not there to set targets at the moment.'

"There is a lot to work on and consider, but the most important thing is that we are back on the bike this weekend." (Source: Marca / gpzone.id)


Marc Marquez has a very good record at the COTA circuit or to be precise in Austin with 7 wins and also 7 pole positions as long as Cota is in the MotoGP calendar.
So will Marc Marquez be able to win again in Austin this week?
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The strong potential this season is in Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki, the development of their bike is so good. It seems that the adjustment of the rider to the bike has no great effect. The drivers already have the expertise of the lower race classes. So I see the quality of the bike is very influential in the MotoGP class. In addition, maybe this year's race will also be more interesting, maybe there will be many different champions in each series.
Those who will become champions in each series are riders who are experienced in racing, especially MotoGP. And as for the bike, I think it depends not only on the quality, but also on the character and layout of the circuit in each race that will take place because bikes like Ducati, Aprilia and Suzuki will look different in bringing out their potential at certain circuits.
And for the next race at the end of this week, I think Honda will be even more dominant, especially with Marquez's return to the race track and Yamaha will also dominate at several circuits this year, especially the Assen circuit in the Netherlands.
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