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^ Porsche has been showing their intent and interest to join F1 but nothing really came out of it. But yeah.. It's cool if they did join.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 06, 2022, 12:18:04 PM

Exactly, that's why there's still room for these guys to get a little more faster, esp Red Bull. As is I think Ferrari has the quickest package. So Red Bull has to figure out how to get rid of the extra weight. As for Mercedes, it's the porpoising. If they solve that problem then they will def by a problem for Ferrari and Red Bull. Grin

I'm all for it. Would be nice to see three teams battling it out for the most points per race instead of two.

Winner market for the Australian GP has Verstappen as the slight favorite at 2.25 and Leclerc at 2.50. Quali lines are pretty close between both too, 2.25 and 2.35.

If they will resolve it I think they will be the car to beat and I'm not joking.

Who, Mercedes? Yeah they could be if they figure it out. They do still supposedly have the best power unit out on the track every weekend. Just couldn't show it. And I'm also not joking when I say I think that Ferrari has a better power unit than Red Bull. We could see it in all the cars running the Ferrari power unit... The Alfa Romeo cars and the Haas cars are all running them afaik.

Nothing really changed in the betting market. In what week does everybody think Mercedes fixing the porpoising issue? Hamilton is 15.00 and Russell us at 25.00 to get pole for quali.

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According to rumors, AUDI is very close to joining to F1.

They want to enter but for the final words, they are waiting for the regulations for new engines (2026).

While Porsche will probably enter with REDBULL, AUDI is going with SAUBER(Alfa Romeo).

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 06, 2022, 08:13:59 AM

Mercedes would go back to the roots with paint removal Cheesy

, that's how they got the legendary name "Silver Arrows". If nobody knows the story, in 1934 at the Eifel race the racing cars were allowed to have a maximum weight of 750kg and the Mercedes (W25) had 751kg, so Manfred von Brauchitsch had the idea to sand off the paint in order to reach the minimum weight, remember that in former times the paint layers were much thicker.

But because of the sponsors alone, I can't imagine that happening nowadays. Maybe a full body foil would be lighter than the paint?

That's a really interesting story, thanks. I had no idea that was where the name came from!
Here's an image of that 1934 car from the Wikipedia page. I think the cars have developed a bit since then, but it still looks great even if it's nearly a hundred years old!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 06, 2022, 08:13:59 AM

Mercedes would go back to the roots with paint removal Cheesy

, that's how they got the legendary name "Silver Arrows". If nobody knows the story, in 1934 at the Eifel race the racing cars were allowed to have a maximum weight of 750kg and the Mercedes (W25) had 751kg, so Manfred von Brauchitsch had the idea to sand off the paint in order to reach the minimum weight, remember that in former times the paint layers were much thicker.

But because of the sponsors alone, I can't imagine that happening nowadays. Maybe a full body foil would be lighter than the paint?

Lol, I really did not know this at all. Funny enough they would have to get rid of some weight and surely paint is a big part of it these days. You do not have to remove anything though, just scrape it and then repaint a lot thinner instead of bulk.

However, we all know that it won't be that. If they are that much heavier, that must be impacting the race speed for sure, Mercedes still couldn't find a way to use 100% of their power which is scary, so weight is not their priority. But, Red Bull "might" find a solution to get 5kg lighter and then they could literally get better than Ferrari just because of that. Even 0.10 seconds matter in this game, and 5 kg could give you a good advantage.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 05, 2022, 04:22:04 PM

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Anyway there are some people saying that Red Bull and Mercedes' cars are 5 kg heavier than the Ferrari cars and 10 kg heaviier than the McLaren cars. I'm not sure how true but that looks like a huge difference.

Mercedes and Redbull are actually complaining about the weight of the cars and they are considering removing the paint for earning a weight loss.

I have seen this honestly and they are right,when they take turns they are not that stable but I think there are other ways to improve it beside removing painting but that maybe is a good start.I don't think Mercedes stand any chance right now to win a race but I am hopeful that they will be back fighting for wins in the second half of the season as told by the team direction.If we manage to have Ferrari,Redbull and Mercedes in almost same performance this Championship is going to be awesome,just like I predict the Australian GP on Sunday to be based on historical data (lots of good battles here over the years).

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 06, 2022, 12:18:04 PM

As for Mercedes, it's the porpoising. If they solve that problem then they will def by a problem for Ferrari and Red Bull.

Yep, that's definitely the root of their problem.

Quote from: tokeweed on April 06, 2022, 12:18:04 PM

I'm all for it. Would be nice to see three teams battling it out for the most points per race instead of two.

It would definitely be a welcome scenario to have six drivers who could all potentially win the race, I can't really imagine it!
As others have said, we can't write Merc off yet... but it is a huge deficit to recover, whilst RB and Ferrari will no doubt be bringing their own upgrades.

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Marc Marquez :

"I'm really happy to be back, it feels great especially to be able to do that at one of my favorite circuits. Regardless of the situation, I really enjoyed racing in Texas and have great memories there."

"We have some things to work on after not racing for two races and the whole weekend in Argentina. So I'm not there to set targets at the moment.'

"There is a lot to work on and consider, but the most important thing is that we are back on the bike this weekend." (^{Source: Marca / gpzone.id})

Marc Marquez has a very good record at the COTA circuit or to be precise in Austin with 7 wins and also 7 pole positions as long as Cota is in the MotoGP calendar.
So will Marc Marquez be able to win again in Austin this week?

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Quote from: AakZaki on April 06, 2022, 12:53:19 PM

The strong potential this season is in Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki, the development of their bike is so good. It seems that the adjustment of the rider to the bike has no great effect. The drivers already have the expertise of the lower race classes. So I see the quality of the bike is very influential in the MotoGP class. In addition, maybe this year's race will also be more interesting, maybe there will be many different champions in each series.

Those who will become champions in each series are riders who are experienced in racing, especially MotoGP. And as for the bike, I think it depends not only on the quality, but also on the character and layout of the circuit in each race that will take place because bikes like Ducati, Aprilia and Suzuki will look different in bringing out their potential at certain circuits.
And for the next race at the end of this week, I think Honda will be even more dominant, especially with Marquez's return to the race track and Yamaha will also dominate at several circuits this year, especially the Assen circuit in the Netherlands.

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Aleix Espargaro's victory at the Argentine Grand Prix is very important for Aprilia's image in MotoGP. Now rivals are aware that the Noale manufacturer does indeed have the potential to be a serious threat.

In the eyes of Maverick Vinales, the weekend at the Autodromo Termas de Rio Hondo is very important for Aprilia Racing because it is the moment where they need to emphasize their progress this season.

For the ex-Yamaha rider, the Argentine Grand Prix is also vital in order to continue the good feeling with the team, which was discovered during the warm-up session for the Indonesian GP at the Mandalika Circuit.

Modifications in the set-up in an attempt to gain stability at the front end of the RS-GP should be confirmed in other scenarios so that the development of the bike and racer continues. They did it from the very first moment in Argentina.

^{Source: Motorsport.com & gpnetindonesia}

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 06, 2022, 12:18:04 PM

Exactly, that's why there's still room for these guys to get a little more faster, esp Red Bull. As is I think Ferrari has the quickest package. So Red Bull has to figure out how to get rid of the extra weight. As for Mercedes, it's the porpoising. If they solve that problem then they will def by a problem for Ferrari and Red Bull. Grin

I'm all for it. Would be nice to see three teams battling it out for the most points per race instead of two.

Winner market for the Australian GP has Verstappen as the slight favorite at 2.25 and Leclerc at 2.50. Quali lines are pretty close between both too, 2.25 and 2.35.

If they will resolve it I think they will be the car to beat and I'm not joking.

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Quote from: Lantind on April 05, 2022, 04:55:34 AM

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Seeing the brilliant performance of the RS-GP, plus the impressive performance of Espargaro, Aprilia clearly has great potential to get back on the podium or win the race.

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The strong potential this season is in Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki, the development of their bike is so good. It seems that the adjustment of the rider to the bike has no great effect. The drivers already have the expertise of the lower race classes. So I see the quality of the bike is very influential in the MotoGP class. In addition, maybe this year's race will also be more interesting, maybe there will be many different champions in each series.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 05, 2022, 04:22:04 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on April 05, 2022, 11:29:55 AM

Anyway there are some people saying that Red Bull and Mercedes' cars are 5 kg heavier than the Ferrari cars and 10 kg heaviier than the McLaren cars. I'm not sure how true but that looks like a huge difference.

Mercedes and Redbull are actually complaining about the weight of the cars and they are considering removing the paint for earning a weight loss.

Exactly, that's why there's still room for these guys to get a little more faster, esp Red Bull. As is I think Ferrari has the quickest package. So Red Bull has to figure out how to get rid of the extra weight. As for Mercedes, it's the porpoising. If they solve that problem then they will def by a problem for Ferrari and Red Bull. Grin

I'm all for it. Would be nice to see three teams battling it out for the most points per race instead of two.

Winner market for the Australian GP has Verstappen as the slight favorite at 2.25 and Leclerc at 2.50. Quali lines are pretty close between both too, 2.25 and 2.35.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 05, 2022, 04:22:04 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on April 05, 2022, 11:29:55 AM

Anyway there are some people saying that Red Bull and Mercedes' cars are 5 kg heavier than the Ferrari cars and 10 kg heaviier than the McLaren cars. I'm not sure how true but that looks like a huge difference.

Mercedes and Redbull are actually complaining about the weight of the cars and they are considering removing the paint for earning a weight loss.

Mercedes would go back to the roots with paint removal Cheesy

, that's how they got the legendary name "Silver Arrows". If nobody knows the story, in 1934 at the Eifel race the racing cars were allowed to have a maximum weight of 750kg and the Mercedes (W25) had 751kg, so Manfred von Brauchitsch had the idea to sand off the paint in order to reach the minimum weight, remember that in former times the paint layers were much thicker.

But because of the sponsors alone, I can't imagine that happening nowadays. Maybe a full body foil would be lighter than the paint?

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Quote from: darewaller on April 05, 2022, 04:42:43 PM

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Would anyone want to go to Mercedes at the moment? Ferrari and RB would be the teams of choice. I suppose the big question is if at the end of the season the Merc is still not up to speed, then will Hamilton want to try a different car before he retires? I'm sure he'd want to drive a Ferrari at some point if it turns out Sainz is not quite as good as everyone had hoped. But I think the chance of Hamilton at Red Bull is about zero, really can't imagine him in a team with Max, it would be like the Rosberg years again but about 10x worse!

It is not about being in Mercedes and winning titles, it is about trusting the process and the team and the name. If you are driving for Mercedes, which we all know is impossible because it's deadlocked with Hamilton and George, you are getting a good name, that means you must be a good driver, there is no scenario where Mercedes is not a great team, even if they have bad results for a while they have enough power to turn things around eventually.

I still say that Mercedes could still end up champions, we just had 2 races, we should not assume them gone already. I do hope Ferrari wins though, they haven't in a while and it would be awesome to see that happening.

Sure, Mercedes are still good, I'm just saying they're not as much of a draw as RB or Ferrari at the moment.
Yes you're right that we can't right off Merc just yet... but they have a hell of a deficit to recover, it's not like they are just a few seconds slower, it's actually 1 minute+ over the race distance.

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It will be very interesting for the MotoGP Race at the end of this week because considering that Marc Marquez has been able to return to racing and from previous years or in several races that have been held there, on average Marc Marquez always wins, including last year as well. So will this year Marc Marquez be able to win again at the Austin circuit which is Marc Marquez's favorite circuit for a long time?

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What a competitive network! After Aleix's last win in Argentina, we have 1️⃣4️⃣ ##MotoGP race winners on the current 2022 MotoGP grid! #Motorsports #Racing

It will be very interesting and fierce if in the next race there is a new winner again because remembering MotoGP at the end of this week will be in Texas Austin or often called AmericasGP which there is very much dominated by Honda manufacturers and especially Marc Marquez who very often wins there.

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Mercedes can forget about it this year. They're not going to be champions. They have good drivers, but the car is not technically well built. Then they really did something completely wrong in preparation, because Red Bull and Ferrari are really much faster every race. Mercedes of course has the time to make adjustments, but I don't think it will matter that much that they will still participate in the world championship. Lewis was also extremely dissatisfied with the composition of the car and has also expressed his dissatisfaction. It is between Leclerc and Verstappen. The 2 most talented riders too, I think.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on April 05, 2022, 07:06:43 AM

Would anyone want to go to Mercedes at the moment? Ferrari and RB would be the teams of choice. I suppose the big question is if at the end of the season the Merc is still not up to speed, then will Hamilton want to try a different car before he retires? I'm sure he'd want to drive a Ferrari at some point if it turns out Sainz is not quite as good as everyone had hoped. But I think the chance of Hamilton at Red Bull is about zero, really can't imagine him in a team with Max, it would be like the Rosberg years again but about 10x worse!

It is not about being in Mercedes and winning titles, it is about trusting the process and the team and the name. If you are driving for Mercedes, which we all know is impossible because it's deadlocked with Hamilton and George, you are getting a good name, that means you must be a good driver, there is no scenario where Mercedes is not a great team, even if they have bad results for a while they have enough power to turn things around eventually.

I still say that Mercedes could still end up champions, we just had 2 races, we should not assume them gone already. I do hope Ferrari wins though, they haven't in a while and it would be awesome to see that happening.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 05, 2022, 11:29:55 AM

Anyway there are some people saying that Red Bull and Mercedes' cars are 5 kg heavier than the Ferrari cars and 10 kg heaviier than the McLaren cars. I'm not sure how true but that looks like a huge difference.

Mercedes and Redbull are actually complaining about the weight of the cars and they are considering removing the paint for earning a weight loss.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 02, 2022, 11:11:51 AM

Redbull opened to the possibility to change Perez with Gasly for the next year.

Gasly is still a Redbull driver and his contract will expire the next year.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-piloti/marko-gasly-red-bull-perez-2023-611114.html

Prolly a good idea. Perez is prolly being paid more than if they got Gasly onboard Red Bull again for a second stint. zand Perez isn't really that much of a difference compared to Albon and Gasly's performances from what I remember. But the thing is will Gasly be able to defend like how Perez does in crucial moments?

Anyway there are some people saying that Red Bull and Mercedes' cars are 5 kg heavier than the Ferrari cars and 10 kg heaviier than the McLaren cars. I'm not sure how true but that looks like a huge difference.

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