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Yep Perez is the perfect number 2 for Redbull, a not top-class driver who can't compete for Max and does everything the owner tell him to do.
He is doing great but he can't fight Max and this is boring for the sport.
I'm missing the 2016 with fight Rosberg Hamilton.
This year however is quite fun to watch since we have 2 winning cars, imagine the case where we have Red Bull dominating and Max winning 99% of races..
We will see next year.

@coinlocket$ if the Hamilton winning era finally ends it’ll be great for F1, because it’s become boring each year to see him win it, however the season isn’t over yet so we all should be optimistic about Max chances but not overconfident.
Also it’s fine if Perez isn’t competing with Max, because for me personally the need is to see a new champion and till Perez is helping Max get there I’m happy to see him play a supportive role.

I wouldn't say that Hamilton's winning era is finished but what's interesting is that Hamilton has got a very tough competition which is very good for the viewers. As before it felt like Hamilton wins every race he drives in. But now Max gives a tough competition to Hamilton. And I also agree with you. As long as Perez is helping Max give a challenge to Hamilton for the win, I'm all up for that.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on October 26, 2021, 03:27:02 AM

This is the best and most emotional race ever, Fabio's is Champion, Rossi's Farewell to the Italian fans, Honda 1st & 2nd, Bastianini podium, Aprilia 7th & 8th in Italy, Ducati double DNF

All of these events happened simultaneously in one day so it deserves to be said to be the most emotional, but of all these events the one that got the most response was "Rossi's Farewell to the Italian fans" because it was the last home race for him so he wanted to gift his beloved Helmet to the fans in the stands, the estimated price of the helmet can reach 130 thousand euros. Shocked

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Quote from: kro55 on October 28, 2021, 09:14:14 AM

^^ @coinlocket$ & @tokeweed, I have mixed feelings about the decisions Mercedes took in regards to pitting. Maybe it was a good idea, maybe it was a bad idea I don't know. But what I can is that Bottas has not been very good in recent times, except for the time he won the race. If you look at Red Bull, they have the perfect pair of drivers. Max pushing for the win while Perez has been very good support for him, holding down Hamilton or whoever comes trailing him. I have to give huge credit to Perez in these recent races as his good form has made it easier for Max to win the races.

Yep Perez is the perfect number 2 for Redbull, a not top-class driver who can't compete for Max and does everything the owner tell him to do.
He is doing great but he can't fight Max and this is boring for the sport.

I'm missing the 2016 with fight Rosberg Hamilton.

This year however is quite fun to watch since we have 2 winning cars, imagine the case where we have Red Bull dominating and Max winning 99% of races...

We will see next year.

@coinlocket$ if the Hamilton winning era finally ends it’ll be great for F1, because it’s become boring each year to see him win it, however the season isn’t over yet so we all should be optimistic about Max chances but not overconfident.

Also it’s fine if Perez isn’t competing with Max, because for me personally the need is to see a new champion and till Perez is helping Max get there I’m happy to see him play a supportive role.

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Quote from: kro55 on October 28, 2021, 09:14:14 AM

^^ @coinlocket$ & @tokeweed, I have mixed feelings about the decisions Mercedes took in regards to pitting. Maybe it was a good idea, maybe it was a bad idea I don't know. But what I can is that Bottas has not been very good in recent times, except for the time he won the race. If you look at Red Bull, they have the perfect pair of drivers. Max pushing for the win while Perez has been very good support for him, holding down Hamilton or whoever comes trailing him. I have to give huge credit to Perez in these recent races as his good form has made it easier for Max to win the races.

Yep Perez is the perfect number 2 for Redbull, a not top-class driver who can't compete for Max and does everything the owner tell him to do.
He is doing great but he can't fight Max and this is boring for the sport.

I'm missing the 2016 with fight Rosberg Hamilton.

This year however is quite fun to watch since we have 2 winning cars, imagine the case where we have Red Bull dominating and Max winning 99% of races...

We will see next year.

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^^ @coinlocket$ & @tokeweed, I have mixed feelings about the decisions Mercedes took in regards to pitting. Maybe it was a good idea, maybe it was a bad idea I don't know. But what I can is that Bottas has not been very good in recent times, except for the time he won the race. If you look at Red Bull, they have the perfect pair of drivers. Max pushing for the win while Perez has been very good support for him, holding down Hamilton or whoever comes trailing him. I have to give huge credit to Perez in these recent races as his good form has made it easier for Max to win the races.

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^ I’ve been hearing some comments that Hamilton would’ve had a better chance to be the leader by the end of the race if Toto Wolff decided to pit Hamilton early for the hards. As early as lap 8. But dunno.. I have no strong opinions. Hamilton had the fastest lap tho which shows he has the faster car... So maybe yeah, he could’ve pitted earlier.

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So in the end Max managed to win the race or did Hamilton lose it for a bad tires choice?

On the 1st stop, he just needed to copy Max probably to keep his position.
As usual, Bottas was useless.

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The fall of Francesco Bagnaia became the most important moment for Fabio Quartararo ...

Seems like he is so nervous Marquez is behind, I also very surprised he crashed in 2 laps left. The high pressure is the main reason why he going to crash, he must win and he has a target to stoping Quartararo to be a champion. Maybe another reason is Ducati motors, his partner (miller) also crashed, when I read the news both are using the same typical tire (heating on the front).

I think so too, the pressure that comes from marquez makes Bagnaia nervous so he loses control of the bike on the track, but other than that all of Bagnaia performance in the race in my opinion was quite good and he was able to go faster throughout the race, but unfortunately he was not able to be barrier for Quartararo to victory.
I agree with you, it seems that the use of the hard front tire was the cause of the crash, because apart from Bagnaia, other Ducati riders also experienced the same thing on the fourth lap and Bagnaia also admitted in the media that they gambled on using the hard front tire in that race.

Was gambling the hard tires a good idea? I'm not sure, I could be wrong but I don't think that was a very good idea as that backfired for them. And Bagnaia has to control his nerve better. Racing is a mental game as well as a skill of driving. Confidence plays an important part. If this keeps happening, him getting nervous because of Marquez, that's gonna be a problem in future races. I hope he will be able to have his nerve under his control.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 24, 2021, 04:14:30 PM

Maybe not most exciting race of season, but few final laps made it's worth to watch. It's one of races that is won in pits. And I can't say that Mercedes made mistake somewhere or had wrong strategy. Max just were driving perfectly.
Most fun moment of race is Alonso fighting with Alfa Romeo and we hear classic whinning Alonso Cheesy

And pity for Raikkonen, he had confident 10th place and made mistake few laps before finish.

Yeah.. I was under the impression that it was an exciting race before reading the race reviews. And Hamilton had the faster pace so that’s somethng to consider for the next race at Mexico which also has a track with lots of straights.

Early line for Hamilton to win the Mexican GP is 2.75 rn. Mmmmm not enough meat on the bone for me to bite. Make it 3. Grin

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 26, 2021, 03:09:10 AM

Quote from: DU18 on October 25, 2021, 02:46:03 PM

The fall of Francesco Bagnaia became the most important moment for Fabio Quartararo ...

Seems like he is so nervous Marquez is behind, I also very surprised he crashed in 2 laps left. The high pressure is the main reason why he going to crash, he must win and he has a target to stoping Quartararo to be a champion. Maybe another reason is Ducati motors, his partner (miller) also crashed, when I read the news both are using the same typical tire (heating on the front).

I think so too, the pressure that comes from marquez makes Bagnaia nervous so he loses control of the bike on the track, but other than that all of Bagnaia performance in the race in my opinion was quite good and he was able to go faster throughout the race, but unfortunately he was not able to be barrier for Quartararo to victory.
I agree with you, it seems that the use of the hard front tire was the cause of the crash, because apart from Bagnaia, other Ducati riders also experienced the same thing on the fourth lap and Bagnaia also admitted in the media that they gambled on using the hard front tire in that race.

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 26, 2021, 03:09:10 AM

Quote from: DU18 on October 25, 2021, 02:46:03 PM

The fall of Francesco Bagnaia became the most important moment for Fabio Quartararo ...

Seems like he is so nervous Marquez is behind, I also very surprised he crashed in 2 laps left. The high pressure is the main reason why he going to crash, he must win and he has a target to stoping Quartararo to be a champion. Maybe another reason is Ducati motors, his partner (miller) also crashed, when I read the news both are using the same typical tire (heating on the front).

I also think that Bagnaia failed because of the high pressure to win, Marquez put additional pressure from behind and it was just too much. With the tyres on the Ducati I can hardly judge, but Bagnaia has another chance next year, the Ducati runs very well, the engine is strong and Ducati only needs to further develop the current model for next year, Yamaha needs to improve the engine and Honda the chassis.

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This is the best and most emotional race ever, Fabio's is Champion, Rossi's Farewell to the Italian fans, Honda 1st & 2nd, Bastianini podium, Aprilia 7th & 8th in Italy, Ducati double DNF

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Quote from: DU18 on October 25, 2021, 02:46:03 PM

The fall of Francesco Bagnaia became the most important moment for Fabio Quartararo ...

Seems like he is so nervous Marquez is behind, I also very surprised he crashed in 2 laps left. The high pressure is the main reason why he going to crash, he must win and he has a target to stoping Quartararo to be a champion. Maybe another reason is Ducati motors, his partner (miller) also crashed, when I read the news both are using the same typical tire (heating on the front).

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Quote from: AakZaki on October 25, 2021, 02:26:07 PM

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Fabio Quartararo became world champion in 2021 after his closest competitor Bagnaia failed to finish the race as the factory Ducati rider was so obsessed with winning Emilia Romagna's MotoGP race that he crashed, while Quartararo managed to get 13 points after finishing fourth and put Quartararo on 65 points from Bagnaia who are second in the standings, with two races remaining Quartararo is confirmed to be world champion this year as Bagnaia can't catch him anymore.

Congratulations Quartararo world champion.
Seeing the qualifying results, made me a little doubtful about the race results. But Quartararo raced well. It proved he was able to finish in fourth position. Besides that the fall of Bagnaia was luck for Quartararo. At least he can sleep peacefully to prepare for the next race.
In addition, Marquez's appearance was also good, he was able to finish in first position

The fall of Francesco Bagnaia became the most important moment for Fabio Quartararo who confirmed himself to be world champion and he is should be proud of this achievement, how not, after the last time lorenzo won in 2015, no other yamaha rider managed to become world champion and of course Fabio Quartararo should be proud of the title because that way he also managed to make Yamaha end its degree fasting this season.

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Quote from: bounceback on October 25, 2021, 05:17:25 AM

Fabio Quartararo became world champion in 2021 after his closest competitor Bagnaia failed to finish the race as the factory Ducati rider was so obsessed with winning Emilia Romagna's MotoGP race that he crashed, while Quartararo managed to get 13 points after finishing fourth and put Quartararo on 65 points from Bagnaia who are second in the standings, with two races remaining Quartararo is confirmed to be world champion this year as Bagnaia can't catch him anymore.

Congratulations Quartararo world champion.
Seeing the qualifying results, made me a little doubtful about the race results. But Quartararo raced well. It proved he was able to finish in fourth position. Besides that the fall of Bagnaia was luck for Quartararo. At least he can sleep peacefully to prepare for the next race.
In addition, Marquez's appearance was also good, he was able to finish in first position

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Quote from: bounceback on October 25, 2021, 05:17:25 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on October 24, 2021, 10:08:51 PM

Congratulation Quartararo as MotoGP champions this year.

This is the first time French racer as MotoGP champion, this moment very excited, he makes a little party in Emilia Romana, all eyes on Quartararo even though he didn't get on the podium. I'm very deeply regretted Bagnaia, 3 laps left he got crashed, I don't know what happen, looks like he's daydreaming. this makes Marquez in the 2nd line have grown up to 1st position. But he can't change anything, Quartararo was locked his title for this year.

Fabio Quartararo became world champion in 2021 after his closest competitor Bagnaia failed to finish the race as the factory Ducati rider was so obsessed with winning Emilia Romagna's MotoGP race that he crashed, while Quartararo managed to get 13 points after finishing fourth and put Quartararo on 65 points from Bagnaia who are second in the standings, with two races remaining Quartararo is confirmed to be world champion this year as Bagnaia can't catch him anymore.

An excellent season from Fabio, Bagnai was a very good opponent, unfortunately he started the chase much too late. It's a pity that Bagnaia crashed, the last races would have been interesting. Bagnaia had to risk everything and that unfortunately went wrong, but next year Fabio and Bagnaia are the title favourites for me again. We'll see how good Honda and Marquez will be.

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Quote from: Luzin on October 25, 2021, 09:52:58 AM

Quote from: bounceback on October 25, 2021, 05:17:25 AM

Fabio Quartararo became world champion in 2021 after his closest competitor Bagnaia failed to finish the race as the factory Ducati rider was so obsessed with winning Emilia Romagna's MotoGP race that he crashed,

He's not wrong, he wants to open up opportunities to win world champion. It caused him to get too excited so he made a slight mistake and fell off the bike. The key to world champion Quartararo is consistent performances, he always seems to think about the details about how he will become world champion. And i think he is the most consistent rider for this year.

Maybe that day a lot of moments happened, besides the world champion maybe Rossi's farewell was worth seeing. Last race at Misano, the crowd turned yellow. Meksi is not the last session I think it's quite sad to lose my favorite racer that until now I haven't found my favorite racer for anyone else.

Not only about to open up the opportunities but the pressure from Marquez also force him to speed up. He could keep the gap with Marquez up to 1 second but unfortunately it made him crash in the same turn where Miller crashed if I remember it correctly.

Fun fact at the end the race is that Marquez as the winner of the race got less attention by the media because the World Champion celebration of Fabio and the Farewell celebration of Rossi. Cheesy

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Quote from: bounceback on October 25, 2021, 05:17:25 AM

Fabio Quartararo became world champion in 2021 after his closest competitor Bagnaia failed to finish the race as the factory Ducati rider was so obsessed with winning Emilia Romagna's MotoGP race that he crashed,

He's not wrong, he wants to open up opportunities to win world champion. It caused him to get too excited so he made a slight mistake and fell off the bike. The key to world champion Quartararo is consistent performances, he always seems to think about the details about how he will become world champion. And i think he is the most consistent rider for this year.

Maybe that day a lot of moments happened, besides the world champion maybe Rossi's farewell was worth seeing. Last race at Misano, the crowd turned yellow. Though is not the last session I think it's quite sad to lose my favorite racer that until now I haven't found my favorite racer for anyone else.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on October 25, 2021, 09:45:25 AM

I thought that Bottas was the best 2nd man in the game but I think Perez is now the best 2nd man to Max.

The grid penalty had a lot to do with it this time around. But yes, you do get the feeling that even if Bottas had started say in 4th behind Perez, he would have dropped away as time went on.

Quote from: Minor Miner on October 25, 2021, 09:45:25 AM

With this win, Max Verstappen is now 12 points ahead of Hamilton in the championship run.

And this was a circuit where Mercedes were expected to dominate. I'm not sure how much the unusually high temperature affected that, but either way, Lewis is running out of races now to catch up, and of those that are left a few are at high altitude, which always favours Red Bull. Max has to be a strong favourite for the title now.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on October 25, 2021, 08:21:51 AM

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Quote from: AndySt on October 24, 2021, 06:52:22 PM

If Mercedes lost in the battle for the first line, it means that the strategy was not winning and was wrong, because it cannot be said that Red Bull is a cut above the speed and really everything was decided at the pit stops Wink

I don't think that Mercedes did mistake with strategy. I doubt that with different strategy they would have won race. Max even with older tyres was able to keep Lewis behind. Though, on final laps Lewis was very close, with open DRS maybe we would have different outcome.

I don't think Mercedes made a strategy error, either. They did what they could, with the options they had. And yes it was all decided at the pit stops.
The crucial thing here was the role of the second driver. Because Red Bull had Perez up at the front, and Mercedes didn't have Bottas there, it gave Red Bull a 2-1 car advantage, which meant they could control exactly when Hamilton stopped.
They stopped both Verstappen and Perez early, which meant Hamilton had to stop quickly in order to remain ahead of Perez, otherwise Red Bull could just have used him as a slow-moving roadblock whilst Verstappen disappeared into the distance. Alternatively, if Hamilton had stopped first, they could have kept Perez out, run him long, and done exactly the same thing... either way if you have an extra car, you can use it to control the other team's driver.

That is true. Mercedes got Outnumbered by Red Bull. Bottas couldn't support Hamilton good enough in this race in my opinion. So Hamilton got sandwiched in between the two Red Bull racers - Max and Perez. I'm quite surprised how well Perez has been doing in the recent races. I thought that Bottas was the best 2nd man in the game but I think Perez is now the best 2nd man to Max. With this win, Max Verstappen is now 12 points ahead of Hamilton in the championship run.

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