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Quote from: Cnut237 on November 09, 2021, 03:43:59 AM

Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

Not really. I mean sure he pressed on the break a tad early but the guy behind him had more of a responsibility to avoid crashing to Bottas since Bottas couldn’t see what’s behind him.

Anyway it looks like Perez could save RBR and have them win the constructor’s championship too.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on November 09, 2021, 03:43:59 AM

Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

When I look at it, he definitely backed off going into the corner, under pressure from Verstappen and Hamilton. Three of them together, and one blinked. I think if it had been either Verstappen or Hamilton in Bottas's position, they wouldn't have given ground so easily, and so wouldn't have brought themselves close enough to Ricciardo for the crash to happen.

We've had Verstappen/Hamilton crashes that have been caused by drivers being overly aggressive. But I think this weekend it was example of the other side... a crash caused by a driver being too passive.

Well i would say in one way he definitely brought himself into that position himself because he just did not have a great start as he had just a slower reaction time compared to both hamilton and verstappen, but i am even not sure if it would have made that big of a difference if he reacted quicker because it is more than 1 km to the first turn so that everyone behind could probably still overtake him because of the slip-stream.
Regarding the spin itself i would say that was definitely not Bottas fault. Yes he backed down a little bit but he probably did that because he did not want to have a crash with Verstappen and Hamilton. Just imagine the reation of the media if he would have crashed into Verstappen in the first turn.

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A great start from Verstappen, luck for Verstappen was certainly that Bottas gave him enough space to pass. Otherwise a perfect race from Verstappen, this race was certainly frustrating for Hamilton. Verstappen has extended his lead and RedBull has also come closer to Mercedes in the constructors classification, which will also be a very close decision.

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Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

When I look at it, he definitely backed off going into the corner, under pressure from Verstappen and Hamilton. Three of them together, and one blinked. I think if it had been either Verstappen or Hamilton in Bottas's position, they wouldn't have given ground so easily, and so wouldn't have brought themselves close enough to Ricciardo for the crash to happen.

We've had Verstappen/Hamilton crashes that have been caused by drivers being overly aggressive. But I think this weekend it was example of the other side... a crash caused by a driver being too passive.

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Quote from: Luzin on November 08, 2021, 06:55:44 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on November 08, 2021, 01:58:25 AM

Quartararo did not finish for the first time, he certainly won't appear insistent after locking the champions, he just certainly doesn't receive money if he didn't get on the podium, if he thinking about it that's one motivation like other champions. The situation would be different if he still needed the points, as we can see the racer before (Romagna) his qualification position on 15th, but he still has a spirit for chasing the points and then, finishes on 4th (champions).

I heard if it's not wrong Quartararo can still present the constructors' title if it does not fall.
Congratulations on Bagnaia's victory makes Ducati defend the constructors' championship title obtained last year. Yes I'm not too surprised they have almost the same bike adjusting the rider so they are able to appear stable with the team because it is not too far apart from the results of the race. So this adds more points to the constructor.

Oh, I don't know about that, congrats for Ducati have been champions for on the row, seems like Yamaha followed Ducati, so far Yamaha is not enough racer to follow Quartararo which is different from Ducati, have a stable race and always got the podium every race (21 Podium).

MotoGP Champion this year:

1. Quartararo
2. Bagnaia
3. Joan Mir

And congrats for Zarco as an Independent racer for this year

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 08, 2021, 04:46:13 AM

The Mexico GP was not a very exciting one for me to be honest. It was even boring as there was not much action in the race. Only the start was really exciting. Bottas - Hamilton - Verstappen came side by side on the start straight. Verstappen made a huge start and took even the lead by overtaking both of Mercedes drivers. Hamilton also made a better start than Bottas and overtook him. Unfortunately, Bottas' race nearly ended after Ricciardo touched him from his right rear tyre and caused him to lose control.

Verstappen dominated the whole race and got a deserved win. Perez was near to make us watch a big competition between him and Hamilton in the last laps but he couldn't get close enough to try to make a move for the 2nd place. But he was still on the podium and made his supporters very happy and proud. And Perez was the driver of the day too.

Sometimes that happens, everyone dislikes Monaco for this exact reason, it is just not fun at all to watch people turn around 70 times and finish at the same place. I have to say the start was one of the top starts that I have seen, even without a crash that would have been great because Max managed to take the lead technically before the turn so that dude managed to start amazingly.

However with the crash it became even more entertaining, because that meant the guy who managed to be fastest in quali (managed to do under 1.16 twice, nobody else did even once) he was basically out of the race and fought Danny all race which he should have been good enough to pass but for some reason failed and then had a horrible pit stop on top of that, very unlucky for him. Aside from those little things, the rest of the race was not that much entertaining at all.

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‘Wasn’t the most delightful.’. Lolol. Stop being nice, just say it for what it really was. A mf’ing boooring race. Cheesy

I actually missed watching it live so I watched the replay after seeing the results online. The first lap was really great then saw the same top 6 or so at lap 21 as the result, I quit the replay. Cheesy

What was the line for Verstappen after quali?

It actually was really boring. Bottas spent all race behind Ricciardo. Perez was never going to pass Hamilton. Huge time gaps across the board. Good thing they didn't use Mexico as a sprint race!

It was totally a boring race indeed. I wish that it was as good as the start but it wasn't unfortunately. After the incident at the start, it was literally the end for Bottas. Being behind a very talented and experienced driver like Ricciardo must be really annoying for Bottas. He ended the race behind Ricciardo also. Perez actually could have passed Hamilton but somehow Hamilton didn't let him. But I shouldn't forget that he is a master at this. Grin

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 08, 2021, 09:26:32 AM

‘Wasn’t the most delightful.’. Lolol. Stop being nice, just say it for what it really was. A mf’ing boooring race. Cheesy

I actually missed watching it live so I watched the replay after seeing the results online. The first lap was really great then saw the same top 6 or so at lap 21 as the result, I quit the replay. Cheesy

What was the line for Verstappen after quali?

It actually was really boring. Bottas spent all race behind Ricciardo. Perez was never going to pass Hamilton. Huge time gaps across the board. Good thing they didn't use Mexico as a sprint race!

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‘Wasn’t the most delightful.’. Lolol. Stop being nice, just say it for what it really was. A mf’ing boooring race. Cheesy

I actually missed watching it live so I watched the replay after seeing the results online. The first lap was really great then saw the same top 6 or so at lap 21 as the result, I quit the replay. Cheesy

What was the line for Verstappen after quali?

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 08, 2021, 08:34:13 AM

The race in Mexico yesterday was not the most delightful one truthfully. But I was really delighted with the start.

Yes, the start was the only interesting bit, really. Once Verstappen started to pull away from Hamilton very easily, it was clear that the Red Bull was considerably faster. The only real point of interest then was whether Perez could take second. But of course it was always unlikely, Hamilton and Verstappen are much better than the second drivers in each team.

The most exciting races are those where Mercedes and Red Bull are evenly matched. But of course even then one car has a slight advantage, which often proves crucial. What I would really like to see, although I'm sure it will never happen, is for us to have a season where Hamilton and Verstappen are racing each other as team-mates, so the cars are guaranteed to be perfectly matched!

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The race in Mexico yesterday was not the most delightful one truthfully. But I was really delighted with the start. I wasn't expecting Verstappen to take the lead from the start already because there were two tough opponents ahead of him. But I also knew how fast Red Bull was on this track. And he literally showed it to us. And after claiming the 1st position, he opened the gap with Hamilton a lot and won the race easily. It was very good to see Perez on the podium too as it was his home GP.

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Quote from: blue Snow on November 08, 2021, 01:58:25 AM

Quartararo did not finish for the first time, he certainly won't appear insistent after locking the champions, he just certainly doesn't receive money if he didn't get on the podium, if he thinking about it that's one motivation like other champions. The situation would be different if he still needed the points, as we can see the racer before (Romagna) his qualification position on 15th, but he still has a spirit for chasing the points and then, finishes on 4th (champions).

I heard if it's not wrong Quartararo can still present the constructors' title if it does not fall.
Congratulations on Bagnaia's victory makes Ducati defend the constructors' championship title obtained last year. Yes I'm not too surprised they have almost the same bike adjusting the rider so they are able to appear stable with the team because it is not too far apart from the results of the race. So this adds more points to the constructor.

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Quote from: AakZaki on November 07, 2021, 09:50:32 AM

Your prediction of Quartararo is wrong.
Podium position is
1. Bagnaia
2. Mir
3. Miller
Bagnaia was too fast he dominated the race until the end of the red flag and the finish was raised. Quartararo who maintained the chance of a factory champion for Yamaha was also increasingly suliy, because he fell in the remaining 5 laps. I feel like it's an exciting third podium fight between jack miller and Alex Marquez. They worked together to defend and overtake.

Slightly wrong predictions were normal because Crash was always beyond everyone's expectations, so overall predictions were just about what everyone had seen before, because no one knew that the results of the Race would be like that and no one even knew about it. guessed that the Race would end because of the Red Flag.

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The Mexico GP was not a very exciting one for me to be honest. It was even boring as there was not much action in the race. Only the start was really exciting. Bottas - Hamilton - Verstappen came side by side on the start straight. Verstappen made a huge start and took even the lead by overtaking both of Mercedes drivers. Hamilton also made a better start than Bottas and overtook him. Unfortunately, Bottas' race nearly ended after Ricciardo touched him from his right rear tyre and caused him to lose control.

Verstappen dominated the whole race and got a deserved win. Perez was near to make us watch a big competition between him and Hamilton in the last laps but he couldn't get close enough to try to make a move for the 2nd place. But he was still on the podium and made his supporters very happy and proud. And Perez was the driver of the day too.

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Quote from: boltz on November 07, 2021, 03:59:42 PM

Bottas did nothing wrong as that first sector has 1+km so it's pretty much a chaos on that straight line and once again Bottas was the miss fortune one and got hit by Ricci who thought that he could somehow make that apex alongside 3 total cars which it's impossible to make with a car being that long and with someone being so close to him so he ended up with his front wing damaged and both of them with a compromise race. I think he's still happy with the pole and that replica of Fangio's helmet.

Bottas got hit by Ricciardo, yes, but it was Bottas's own fault. If Hamilton or Verstappen had been in that situation, they wouldn't have got hit. For the reason, just look at Bottas and Verstappen going into that corner. Bottas gave away the position very very easily, he slowed right down. There were three cars level with each other, and Bottas backed off. Neither Hamilton nor Verstappen backed off, which is one reason why they are better drivers. Bottas slowed, which put Max into the lead, Lewis second, and Bottas right in front of Ricciardo. It was his own fault, and he ruined not only his own race, but any chance Mercedes had of winning as a team.

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Quote from: Luzin on November 07, 2021, 10:25:54 AM

Quote from: AakZaki on November 07, 2021, 09:50:32 AM

Your prediction of Quartararo is wrong.
Podium position is
1. Bagnaia
2. Mir
3. Miller

Here's the full result of today's race.
1. Francesco BAGNAIA   Ducati Lenovo Team   38'17.720
2. Joan MIR         Team SUZUKI ECSTAR +2.478
3. Jack MILLER         Ducati Lenovo Team    +6.402

Quartararo did not finish for the first time, he certainly won't appear insistent after locking the champions, he just certainly doesn't receive money if he didn't get on the podium, if he thinking about it that's one motivation like other champions. The situation would be different if he still needed the points, as we can see the racer before (Romagna) his qualification position on 15th, but he still has a spirit for chasing the points and then, finishes on 4th (champions).

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 07, 2021, 04:20:35 PM

What an easy win for Max. He had amazing start and after it he left no questions about who is going to win today. And some serious shit when he tried not to let Bottas to make fastest lap. Never seen anything similar. It's incredible how much even 1 point matters for teams this season. In general, it was boring race and Perez chasing Hamilton was only interesting thing.. Local hero didn't managed to overtake him, but 3rd palce at home race isn't bad result. Poor Bottas - lost 1st place in start, then hitted by Ricciardo and then stuck whole race behind him. And in constructor's championship, there is just 1 point between Mercedes and Red Bull.

Oh yes, Bottas is the biggest loser of the race. First, lose the start, then get hit by Ricardo, then get a loss of time with a wheel change at the pit stop. I wouldn't be too surprised if the apogee of all this would be the failure to get the best lap, but still the heavenly forces had a little mercy on the Finnish pilot and still the best lap was shown on the very last lap Wink

I think Verstappen was not very disappointed by the fact that Mercedes still took away 1 point from him for the best lap Grin

The Red Bull cars were clearly better during the race and Hamilton could well have been left without a second place. However, it is still unknown how the race would have turned out and what the layouts would have been if Bottas had not been knocked out of the fight at the very beginning.

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Redbull was so strong today.
Hamilton managed to reduce the damage without letting Perez pass him.

Redbull with the debacle of Bottas now overtakes Redbull in the championship.

This era of f1 will end, even today faster cars could not pass slower cars because of dirty air, like Bottas over Ricciardo or Perez over Hamilton.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 07, 2021, 04:20:35 PM

What an easy win for Max. He had amazing start and after it he left no questions about who is going to win today. And some serious shit when he tried not to let Bottas to make fastest lap. Never seen anything similar. It's incredible how much even 1 point matters for teams this season.
In general, it was boring race and Perez chasing Hamilton was only interesting thing.. Local hero didn't managed to overtake him, but 3rd palce at home race isn't bad result.
Poor Bottas - lost 1st place in start, then hitted by Ricciardo and then stuck whole race behind him.
And in constructor's championship, there is just 1 point between Mercedes and Red Bull.

Although Hamilton kept the position that he started from, but I feel frustrated .
Everything came against them in this race from teammate to the late car and tires, but the road is still long.
But when I saw the joy of Peres and his family, the joy of Abu and his son, and the joy of Mexico, to be honest, I became happy .
Even Max supporting podium of Checo and him winning the race .
It is the sweetness of Formula One, the atmosphere of frustration, you will find joy.
Max excelled, from third to the lead on the first turn and absolute control of the race and widening the gap with a clean performance and enjoyed extending the championship lead.
It is true that overtaking was somewhat easy, but driving it we add...
Just watch at the end, 3 cars with a Honda engine, but a Top 4.

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What an easy win for Max. He had amazing start and after it he left no questions about who is going to win today. And some serious shit when he tried not to let Bottas to make fastest lap. Never seen anything similar. It's incredible how much even 1 point matters for teams this season.
In general, it was boring race and Perez chasing Hamilton was only interesting thing.. Local hero didn't managed to overtake him, but 3rd palce at home race isn't bad result.
Poor Bottas - lost 1st place in start, then hitted by Ricciardo and then stuck whole race behind him.
And in constructor's championship, there is just 1 point between Mercedes and Red Bull.

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