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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 13, 2021, 03:12:00 AM

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Perez is doing what Bottas should do when Hamilton is leading, make opponents lose time for overtaking.
He is a good second drive for Redbull.

Bottas is almost useless and it's years I'm saying it.

I would say the same, except that Perez is still below his potential, Bottas has a benefit for Mercedes, he also continuously scores points for the Constructors' World Championship, Perez still has to improve. But I think he will, he gets along better and better with the car and will also score more and more continuously.

Bottas will fade into obscurity at Alfa, how long did Bottas get a contract, after that will be the end of career.

I agree that Bottas is definitely better than Perez, this is obvious on drivers' standings as well but also it is obvious from the very last race as well. Mercedes seems to find some more speed, even Bottas managed to keep Max behind which wasn't something I expected to be fair.

At the end of the day Perez missed so many chances to be there, whereas Bottas always uses his chances and gains points. Dude may not be the best driver in the world, and he is racing in a wonderful car, but he also managed to come in second so many years behind Hamilton as well, that should show you that he has been a good teammate to Hamilton even if not a great driver himself. Where is perez? Dude is so much behind Max, if you want a good teammate, then that teammate should be around you, this is why Bottas has been great but he is now 30+ years old and since they can't fire Hamilton, they needed to send Bottas away to get a younger blood.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on October 13, 2021, 09:58:31 AM

Since it was announced that he is going to be an Alfa Romeo driver as of the next season, he has collected more points than Hamilton and Verstappen.

Bottas : 51 pts
Verstappen : 36 pts
Hamilton : 35 pts

EZ game for him, this statistic is useless Cheesy

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On time Hamilton and Verstappen collided for 0 points in the race for both.

And both of them got also a penalty with -20 position for Max and (for now) -10 for Hamilton.

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^ Bottas giving it everything he’s got to protect Schumacher’s record and making sure that Hamilton will have one of the worst seasons in F1. Cheesy

He’s making it harder for his team mate to win the championship than Verstappen. Lol.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 12, 2021, 09:51:04 AM

Ok since there’s an increasing number of people in the gambling section who rally watches F1 and bets on F1 instead of posting in here just for their sigs, let’s hear all your thoughts from a betting perspective. I mean.. That’s what we’re all in here for right? Wink

Or are we just bs’ing ourselves?

Personally, I don't bet much on F1. Sometimes I make H2H bets or bet on race winner. But it's not football or basketball, motorsport just isn't best sports.
I'm here more for discussions and it's great that we have people who are genuinely interested in F1 and we can have deeper discussion. Not like in most football threads :/.

What’s 10 bucks just to make the race more interesting? Grin

If you win the bet then you can go bet 20 bucks on a football match. Cheesy

Seriously tho.. There’s value to be had in these races.

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I have just come across a statistics for Bottas like this:

Source: https://twitter.com/formularacers_/status/1447812538930958337?s=20

Since it was announced that he is going to be an Alfa Romeo driver as of the next season, he has collected more points than Hamilton and Verstappen.

Bottas : 51 pts
Verstappen : 36 pts
Hamilton : 35 pts

It looks like Bottas is driving much more freely now and showing his real performance. He has been supressed by Hamilton a lot so far. The team cared about Hamilton more as he is in the title race with Verstappen. Bottas nearly always needed to give up his place to Hamilton. Bottas must be feeling really comfortable now.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on October 13, 2021, 09:05:25 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on October 13, 2021, 03:12:00 AM

Bottas will fade into obscurity at Alfa, how long did Bottas get a contract, after that will be the end of career.

It must be really difficult for drivers who are in a top car, but then get moved to a car that's further back on the grid. I don't know how they maintain their motivation. Bottas will be an example next season, but it happens plenty of times. Vettel is perhaps the most notable of the current drivers, or maybe Alonso. It must be frustrating for these drivers to see worse drivers overtaking them simply because they have better cars. Of course we can say that the best drivers will always gravitate to the best teams, but it isn't always the case because with only 2 drivers per team, and multi-year contracts, it's rare that a space opens up.

I think the best example is currently and the last year Kimi, with his car it is the last few years impossible to get under the points in a normal race and in the radio calls you can still hear that he is motivated to drive, but now he hangs the Formula 1 helmet on the nail, if he wanted he would have certainly still got a contract.

https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/183169/Kimi-Raeikkoenen-WM-Punkt-futsch-wegen-Giovinazzi.html

Alonso and Vettel have at least a car that can drive in the points, Aston Martin and Renault are strong enough on their own to get into the points, Alfa had certainly also by the weak engine the last 2 years big problems.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 13, 2021, 03:12:00 AM

Bottas will fade into obscurity at Alfa, how long did Bottas get a contract, after that will be the end of career.

It must be really difficult for drivers who are in a top car, but then get moved to a car that's further back on the grid. I don't know how they maintain their motivation. Bottas will be an example next season, but it happens plenty of times. Vettel is perhaps the most notable of the current drivers, or maybe Alonso. It must be frustrating for these drivers to see worse drivers overtaking them simply because they have better cars. Of course we can say that the best drivers will always gravitate to the best teams, but it isn't always the case because with only 2 drivers per team, and multi-year contracts, it's rare that a space opens up.

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Quote from: Silver80 on October 13, 2021, 04:23:29 AM

quite interesting if we follow yamaha's long road they join the race after 10 days the company, you should also write down their record, don't compare with what I made, Japan is a country including long produced in the moto grand prix.

In this case a very interesting comparison to discuss is the record of MotoGP riders who have become MotoGP legends and also those who are still racing in MotoGP with the nicks they have made, and if you like Repsol Honda, I can also share interesting facts about Riders who have stopped there during their career in MotoGP, for example like the one in the following picture

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Quote from: Davian144 on October 13, 2021, 04:15:31 AM

Quote from: Silver80 on October 09, 2021, 12:55:38 PM

Thanks you for information.

Recently I was researching some media and I got the following information about Honda's Repsol record;
Repsol Honda's record of success in the main class

If you want to see all the team records in MotoGP, then you have to explore all the teams that are in MotoGP at the moment with a total of 6 factory teams that are already in MotoGP now and Yamaha which has 60 years in the Grand Prix event also has a very good record. very impressive.

quite interesting if we follow yamaha's long road they join the race after 10 days the company, you should also write down their record, don't compare with what I made, Japan is a country including long produced in the moto grand prix.

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Quote from: Silver80 on October 09, 2021, 12:55:38 PM

Thanks you for information.

Recently I was researching some media and I got the following information about Honda's Repsol record;
Repsol Honda's record of success in the main class

If you want to see all the team records in MotoGP, then you have to explore all the teams that are in MotoGP at the moment with a total of 6 factory teams that are already in MotoGP now and Yamaha which has 60 years in the Grand Prix event also has a very good record. very impressive.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 12, 2021, 01:51:49 PM

Quote from: add1ct3dd on October 11, 2021, 03:20:56 PM

Perez vs Hamilton fight there was something awesome to watch as well, Hamilton might have pushed a little too much when Perez almost went into pitlane because of it, but he got it back so it is all good. I believe it wasn't a horrible race, but it wasn't amazing neither, it was just a "decent" race that I enjoyed watching, we can't have amazing races every week.

Perez is doing what Bottas should do when Hamilton is leading, make opponents lose time for overtaking.
He is a good second drive for Redbull.

Bottas is almost useless and it's years I'm saying it.

I would say the same, except that Perez is still below his potential, Bottas has a benefit for Mercedes, he also continuously scores points for the Constructors' World Championship, Perez still has to improve. But I think he will, he gets along better and better with the car and will also score more and more continuously.

Bottas will fade into obscurity at Alfa, how long did Bottas get a contract, after that will be the end of career.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 12, 2021, 05:13:56 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 12, 2021, 09:51:04 AM

Ok since there’s an increasing number of people in the gambling section who rally watches F1 and bets on F1 instead of posting in here just for their sigs, let’s hear all your thoughts from a betting perspective. I mean.. That’s what we’re all in here for right? Wink

Or are we just bs’ing ourselves?

Personally, I don't bet much on F1. Sometimes I make H2H bets or bet on race winner. But it's not football or basketball, motorsport just isn't best sports.
I'm here more for discussions and it's great that we have people who are genuinely interested in F1 and we can have deeper discussion. Not like in most football threads :/.

@tokeweed I haven’t seen people post here what they have wagered on the result etc especially for F1, and this particular thread gives me more detailed insights then the media outlets.

@LTU_btc I second that as discussions here are more realistic and on point rather than fabricating it to look like one has wagered on the outcome, also if someone wishes to share their bets feel free to do so.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 12, 2021, 09:51:04 AM

let’s hear all your thoughts from a betting perspective.

One thing I never bet on is fastest lap, because it's rarely given to the driver who is actually the fastest. Often anyone who's in the top 10 and has a 20 second gap to the next driver will gamble with a late stop, and use the combination of fresh tyres and an empty fuel tank to go for the extra point. I suppose it does add a bit to the race, but they should really rename it, as 'fastest lap' suggests fastest driver, which is often not the case at all... because the fastest driver is at the front, not willing to gamble throwing 25 points away on a dodgy pit stop even if they have a decent gap to 2nd place.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 12, 2021, 09:51:04 AM

Ok since there’s an increasing number of people in the gambling section who rally watches F1 and bets on F1 instead of posting in here just for their sigs, let’s hear all your thoughts from a betting perspective. I mean.. That’s what we’re all in here for right? Wink

Or are we just bs’ing ourselves?

Personally, I don't bet much on F1. Sometimes I make H2H bets or bet on race winner. But it's not football or basketball, motorsport just isn't best sports.
I'm here more for discussions and it's great that we have people who are genuinely interested in F1 and we can have deeper discussion. Not like in most football threads :/.

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Quote from: add1ct3dd on October 11, 2021, 03:20:56 PM

Perez vs Hamilton fight there was something awesome to watch as well, Hamilton might have pushed a little too much when Perez almost went into pitlane because of it, but he got it back so it is all good. I believe it wasn't a horrible race, but it wasn't amazing neither, it was just a "decent" race that I enjoyed watching, we can't have amazing races every week.

Perez is doing what Bottas should do when Hamilton is leading, make opponents lose time for overtaking.
He is a good second drive for Redbull.

Bottas is almost useless and it's years I'm saying it.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 12, 2021, 09:51:04 AM

Ok since there’s an increasing number of people in the gambling section who rally watches F1 and bets on F1 instead of posting in here just for their sigs, let’s hear all your thoughts from a betting perspective. I mean.. That’s what we’re all in here for right? Wink

Or are we just bs’ing ourselves?

I don't think everyone is here just for the signature and the betting, I think it's interesting to share topics and discuss race outcomes. I myself bet rather less only on big events but I don't have much luck there, unfortunately I'm not Gladstone Gander Grin

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Quote from: add1ct3dd on October 11, 2021, 03:20:56 PM

Perez vs Hamilton fight there was something awesome to watch as well

In general the second drivers haven't been good enough this year. It's been all Hamilton vs Verstappen. If you have two teams fighting for the title, then the performance of the second driver is crucial. Bottas should be taking points off Verstappen every time it's a circuit where Mercedes dominate, and Perez should be doing the same to Hamilton every time it's a Red Bull circuit. Plus, at every track the second driver should be able to cover off any potential undercut by the #1 driver of the opposing team. But it was nice this time that both second drivers played a valuable role.

The second driver is crucial for both teams to win the drivers' championship and to help the other driver, and the points of the second driver are crucial for the constructors' championship.

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Ok since there’s an increasing number of people in the gambling section who rally watches F1 and bets on F1 instead of posting in here just for their sigs, let’s hear all your thoughts from a betting perspective. I mean.. That’s what we’re all in here for right? Wink

Or are we just bs’ing ourselves?

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Quote from: add1ct3dd on October 11, 2021, 03:20:56 PM

Perez vs Hamilton fight there was something awesome to watch as well

In general the second drivers haven't been good enough this year. It's been all Hamilton vs Verstappen. If you have two teams fighting for the title, then the performance of the second driver is crucial. Bottas should be taking points off Verstappen every time it's a circuit where Mercedes dominate, and Perez should be doing the same to Hamilton every time it's a Red Bull circuit. Plus, at every track the second driver should be able to cover off any potential undercut by the #1 driver of the opposing team. But it was nice this time that both second drivers played a valuable role.

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I am upset that Lando finished so low in the race, wished he was doing better but it was obvious from the get go that he wouldn't be able to finish in podium this race. Aside from that it was "good" racing and I enjoyed it, even that Vettel decision that looked so lost was just something that brought a special thing to the race. I mean not like he is fighting for championship anyway so it was nice that he was the one that tried it and everyone else realized it wasn't happening at all.

Perez vs Hamilton fight there was something awesome to watch as well, Hamilton might have pushed a little too much when Perez almost went into pitlane because of it, but he got it back so it is all good. I believe it wasn't a horrible race, but it wasn't amazing neither, it was just a "decent" race that I enjoyed watching, we can't have amazing races every week.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 10, 2021, 10:11:36 AM

^ Did you really watch it? The race was obv far from ‘amazing’. Lol. It was really boring except for the Leclerc vs Perez race battle. But other than that, it was all so so..

Yep, I watched it from the start to the end. Grin

Maybe it was about the atmosphere but I still enjoyed it even if it was not maybe "amazing". Cheesy

I must admit one thing of course that the Turkish GP in 2020 was much more exciting than this. Because the track condition was really bad and the rain made it even more problematic for the drivers. But it was a lot of fun for the spectators that's for sure.

Rather than Leclerc vs Perez battle, I think the one between Perez and Hamilton was more attracting. Because Perez got past Leclerc very easily as Leclerc was having a traction problem. He said on the radio also that he had very little grip. So, he couldn't resist Perez much.

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Quote from: xzone on October 11, 2021, 11:37:49 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 10, 2021, 10:11:36 AM

^ Did you really watch it? The race was obv far from ‘amazing’. Lol. It was really boring except for the Leclerc vs Perez race battle. But other than that, it was all so so..

Last year Turkey GP was much more exciting. It was raining heavily and we watched a lot of competition in the race. But this year was a bit more boring than last year, that's true.
However, it was much more enjoyable than most races this season. The race was slower than usual due to the slippery road. Tire choices played a big role in determining the ranking. Carlos Sainz performed very well but could not finish with a very good ranking due to mistakes in the team

^ Yeah, Last year's Turkish GP has to be one of my favorite races. Rain makes the races so much more enjoyable. Also, I wouldn't say that this race was boring, it was kind of okayish type. I was disappointed about Hamilton's positioning. His team made some wrong pit calls and that made him finish only 5th. I think this race was competitive among the first 4 or 5 racers excluding Bottas as he was quite far ahead of the rest. The competition between Perez, Leclerc, Hamilton, and Gasly is what I enjoyed very much.

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