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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 21, 2021, 10:47:26 AM

@coinlocket those tires look good and they have already got me excited for the start of the next season. @Koal-84 tires are the most important thing as a softer tire can help the driver finish the race quickly, and sharing an old post link here because I feel you’ll find valuable information there.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4e24qt/f1_tyres_for_dummies/

One thing everyone should understand why tires are so important is the differences between racers at the early race and mid race. Most of the time people are close to each other, sure with a lot of laps that difference gets bigger but on the early race to mid race we are talking about just few seconds, which means everything that help you get faster will make a huge impact on later race for sure.

If you have heavy tires there is a big chance you could go a long distance without a pit spot, and when you have soft tires that means it will run out quicker, these cars go 300+ km per hour and that means the tires will be basically bone dry by the end of the race if you do not do a pit spot.

Basically the best one would be to find a way to have just one tire to go all race without any pitspot but that would make you very slow if you have tires like that, a soft tire that can go at least 30+ laps and require only one pit stop would be ideal but that hasn't been figured out yet, so these improvements are all just research for that.

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Quote from: Luzin on April 24, 2021, 06:33:47 AM

How sick is Martin? I was horrified to see that. But it seems that Martin injury is not as bad as Marquez. Does Martin Airbag Work? I haven't seen the video accident? I heard airbags on the racer shirts in 2019, but are they working properly?

He will back soon. Nothing big like Marquez did.
He should be back in 5weeks according to the plan meanwhile he will changed for Tito Rabat in this Ducati Pramac.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 24, 2021, 04:46:58 AM

"Interesting" fact about Marting accident last week.

It has been demonstrated as one of the worse accidents ever in the sport, the impact has been at 26g! Imagine to smash yourself in to a wall, with 25 copies of you behind you.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/moto/motogp-jorge-martin-incidente-crash-impatto-superiore-a-26g-561790.html

26G is insane. Grosjean had even more in his crash but he had a chassis around him which helped reduce it of course.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/motor/formula1/2021/03/05/grosjean-hit-barrier-at-192-kph-with-67-g-force-in-f1-crash/43452733/

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 24, 2021, 04:46:58 AM

"Interesting" fact about Marting accident last week.
It has been demonstrated as one of the worse accidents ever in the sport, the impact has been at 26g! Imagine to smash yourself in to a wall, with 25 copies of you behind you.

How sick is Martin? I was horrified to see that. But it seems that Martin injury is not as bad as Marquez. Does Martin Airbag Work? I haven't seen the video accident? I heard airbags on the racer shirts in 2019, but are they working properly?

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"Interesting" fact about Marting accident last week.

It has been demonstrated as one of the worse accidents ever in the sport, the impact has been at 26g! Imagine to smash yourself in to a wall, with 25 copies of you behind you.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/moto/motogp-jorge-martin-incidente-crash-impatto-superiore-a-26g-561790.html

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Quote from: aesma on April 19, 2021, 01:50:40 PM

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

You are right. But I don't understand why they gave a 10-sec stop&go penalty to Perez. He was out of the track limits and 2 drivers passed him under the safety car. After that, he took his place back as the safety car was still on the track. But they said it was not legal. I didn't know such thing exists in F1 rules.

You can't pass under the safety car so he shouldn't have taken his place "back", he had lost his place.

There is an exception to this, that also happened, it's when the safety car is leading the pack to the start of the race, or a restart after a red flag.

But Perez did it during a safety car after an accident, which is dangerous because the track isn't clear.

Correct you may only overtake when the race control announce it. For example when the lapped drivers may pass the safety car.

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I thought the new wheels would look like road car wheels but I see that's not the case, they're still very distinctive. Very good to see.

@coinlocket$ street circuits need a few run to come unto their own I feel.

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We have the official 1st look at the MIAMI GP coming next year from F1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQrprQNS-c

IT seems a fun track, we have several points for overtaking with 2 fast long straights and huge braking points.

Sadly is not a true track so he has not the magic we all know.

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Quote from: Luzin on April 21, 2021, 04:35:37 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:29 PM

Marc still has pain in his arm, that's right, and he will definitely be very careful and not push himself to the limit yet.

I just heard that Jorge Martin had surgery on his hands and feet. He had an accident in the 3rd free practice session at the Portugal. Remember he is a new rider this season, he did well at Losail. He was able to set a record for a new racer. In the Losail series he was able to appear in pole position after which he only needed two races to get on the podium, he finished in 3rd position at Losail. Hopefully we can see him back in Spain.

I also hope Marini coming early back, with 100% health. Also good news for the MotoGP, after KTM, Ducati, Honda and Yamaha also Suzuki contract the contract until 2026.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/motogp/news/bis-2026-suzuki-verlaengert-motogp-vertrag-um-weitere-fuenf-jahre-21042004

Variety and exciting races are guaranteed with many manufacturers and good fights from the drivers. I hope that something will happen to the tires in the next few years, at the moment the driver has to be very careful with his tires.

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Quote from: Spack17 on April 20, 2021, 05:48:18 AM

Quote from: aesma on April 19, 2021, 01:50:40 PM

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

You are right. But I don't understand why they gave a 10-sec stop&go penalty to Perez. He was out of the track limits and 2 drivers passed him under the safety car. After that, he took his place back as the safety car was still on the track. But they said it was not legal. I didn't know such thing exists in F1 rules.

You can't pass under the safety car so he shouldn't have taken his place "back", he had lost his place.

There is an exception to this, that also happened, it's when the safety car is leading the pack to the start of the race, or a restart after a red flag.

But Perez did it during a safety car after an accident, which is dangerous because the track isn't clear.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:29 PM

Marc still has pain in his arm, that's right, and he will definitely be very careful and not push himself to the limit yet.

I just heard that Jorge Martin had surgery on his hands and feet. He had an accident in the 3rd free practice session at the Portugal. Remember he is a new rider this season, he did well at Losail. He was able to set a record for a new racer. In the Losail series he was able to appear in pole position after which he only needed two races to get on the podium, he finished in 3rd position at Losail. Hopefully we can see him back in Spain.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 21, 2021, 10:47:26 AM

@coinlocket those tires look good and they have already got me excited for the start of the next season. @Koal-84 tires are the most important thing as a softer tire can help the driver finish the race quickly, and sharing an old post link here because I feel you’ll find valuable information there.

The link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4e24qt/f1_tyres_for_dummies/

I did a little research on the internet and found these ideas about the new tires.
The geometry of the car will not change much due to the tires so they could easily use the suspension they are already using.
The risk rises and from what they say they suffer cuts on the tire.
The biggest problem will be the transfer of heat from the brakes to the rubber, since the rim of the wheel is larger it will be difficult to transfer the heat from the brakes to the rubber to reach the ideal temperature, whoever manages to find a solution will be favored (heating a tire one lap earlier could translate into a 5-second advantage in my opinion)

The front tires will be smaller than the current ones and therefore you will have a small aerodynamic advantage but the aerodynamic will change anyway

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 21, 2021, 09:24:43 AM

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Tires of the next season are pictured by Mercedes on their Twitter.

Source: https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1384795634490912770/photo/1

The revolution has begun

I'm curious how the tires affect the driving behavior and the pit stops? The car is getting heavier and the tires (rims) are considerably heavier than those in use now. In any case, to the eye the tires are more beautiful than the old ones. I read the new tires are 4 kg heavier per wheel?

https://thewptformula.com/2015/08/08/analysis-13-vs-18-wheels/

https://www.racefans.net/2018/08/08/revolutionary-wheels-why-f1-going-18-inch-will-change-everything/

@coinlocket those tires look good and they have already got me excited for the start of the next season. @Koal-84 tires are the most important thing as a softer tire can help the driver finish the race quickly, and sharing an old post link here because I feel you’ll find valuable information there.

The link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4e24qt/f1_tyres_for_dummies/

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 21, 2021, 04:31:42 AM

Tires of the next season are pictured by Mercedes on their Twitter.

Source: https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1384795634490912770/photo/1

The revolution has begun

I'm curious how the tires affect the driving behavior and the pit stops? The car is getting heavier and the tires (rims) are considerably heavier than those in use now. In any case, to the eye the tires are more beautiful than the old ones. I read the new tires are 4 kg heavier per wheel?

https://thewptformula.com/2015/08/08/analysis-13-vs-18-wheels/

https://www.racefans.net/2018/08/08/revolutionary-wheels-why-f1-going-18-inch-will-change-everything/

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Tires of the next season are pictured by Mercedes on their Twitter.

Source: https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1384795634490912770/photo/1

The revolution has begun

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Quote from: AakZaki on April 20, 2021, 12:46:05 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on April 19, 2021, 05:56:31 AM

I think Marc Marquez is not yet driving 100%, he is certainly aware that if he should crash hard again it could mean the end of his career, I think he is not 100% fit and painless yet.

It's true Marquez still can't appear perfect. Some local media in my country reported that he still felt pain in his arm. But he is really great he is able to compete and finish in 7th position. Marquez's position is the best position among other Honda riders. One more thing for Valentino, it seems that he is really going to drown at this point, he has not shown his best performance even though he uses a factory motorbike, where the motorbike is usually used by the first team instead of a satellite team like Rossi.

Marc still has pain in his arm, that's right, and he will definitely be very careful and not push himself to the limit yet. The Honda bike is currently not very rideable and a good time at one lap is a challenge for the rider and the bike. Last year Rossi had his best result at Jerez, just wait and see also Vinales was rather bad in Portimao, why are there so big differences among the Yamaha riders Huh

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 19, 2021, 05:56:31 AM

I think Marc Marquez is not yet driving 100%, he is certainly aware that if he should crash hard again it could mean the end of his career, I think he is not 100% fit and painless yet.

It's true Marquez still can't appear perfect. Some local media in my country reported that he still felt pain in his arm. But he is really great he is able to compete and finish in 7th position. Marquez's position is the best position among other Honda riders. One more thing for Valentino, it seems that he is really going to drown at this point, he has not shown his best performance even though he uses a factory motorbike, where the motorbike is usually used by the first team instead of a satellite team like Rossi.

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Quote from: aesma on April 19, 2021, 01:50:40 PM

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

You are right. But I don't understand why they gave a 10-sec stop&go penalty to Perez. He was out of the track limits and 2 drivers passed him under the safety car. After that, he took his place back as the safety car was still on the track. But they said it was not legal. I didn't know such thing exists in F1 rules.

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Quote from: dre1982 on April 20, 2021, 01:28:54 AM

Quote from: aesma on April 19, 2021, 01:50:40 PM

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

Yep but only when he was with all wheels outside the track and Leclrec doubting if there was a wheel still on the track and then he was too late. I think in the end it shouldn't made any difference. Verstappen was just too quick Sunday.

Hamilton was lucky with the red flag. I don't think he was still ended second if that didn't happen.

Yes that's correct no passing at the safety car phase, but at Räikkönen he didn't pass and become a penalty why he don't pass to order befor... so many rules are to difficult and no one as spectators understand this.

Without the red phase, Hamilton would probably have ended up somewhere behind 5th or 8th place, he was very lucky exactly there.

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Quote from: aesma on April 19, 2021, 01:50:40 PM

Well not passing when under the safety car is a very basic rule, there is no racing under the SC ! BTW when Max had his moment Leclerc should have passed him. I see journalists asked him about that : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-explains-why-he-didnt-pass-verstappen/6334298/

Yep but only when he was with all wheels outside the track and Leclrec doubting if there was a wheel still on the track and then he was too late. I think in the end it shouldn't made any difference. Verstappen was just too quick Sunday.

Hamilton was lucky with the red flag. I don't think he was still ended second if that didn't happen.

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