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Have you heard the official news about Marquez who will appear in Portugal?
I looked for him, but I only found some local media whether he could perform with Honda in Portugal from the results medical test in April 12.   If Marquez has not been able to appear, of course the difference in points will be even wider. Honda fans are certainly looking forward to this news, especially the Honda riders in the last two series. This is because Honda performed poorly in the first two series.

Limiting grip often helps lower teams to have better results, whatever the way it happens. For example when it rains. For some time F1 had no tire change (even with refuelling) and tire management became all that was talked about. When there were two tire manufacturers, then people complained that one was better than the other.

There is always a reason to complain about tires it seams.

Koal-84 while I understand your context I don’t agree that F1 is boring, even though I dislike Hamilton wining all the time I can’t deny him the credit he deserves for making it seem so easy. @coinlocket$ I agree with your views as safety cars often make the race more interesting, and remember the Eifel Grand Prix where the safety car was so slow that Verstappen commented it was intentionally slow to make the race interesting.

Sources:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/masi-justifies-safety-car-that-enraged-hamilton-verstappen/

https://the-race.com/formula-1/debunking-the-biggest-criticisms-of-hamilton/

That is a matter of opinion, there are no more overtaking maneuvers in Formula 1 and actually only 2 teams can win. In Formula 1 I would be introducing refueling again, then the tires could also be made a little better again, in Formula 1 everything revolves around the tire management. 10 riders and all manufacturers except Aprilia can win at MotoGP.

F1 with the tire strategies to me is more interesting, anything can happen even with a safety car.
In the last years MotoGP is quite boring to see, often wins who manage better the tires, they can't even push or they will have no tires to finish the race, this is not racing from my point of view.

You think boring, you ever see Formula1 

Yes Ducati are very fast and have the strongest engine, but i don't unterstand what's wrong with Petronas Yamaha and KTM?

I am amazed by Honda, usually they are good in Qatar. Honda and Ducati Always competing for speed in Qatar, but not today. In the second series in Qatar they are in 13th place for Espargaro, the other riders are behind him. Looks like they have maybe engine problem. Since Marquez's absence, Honda has not been optimal. It seems that they cannot optimally develop a new engine. Maybe Espargaro not understand the motorbike problem , he can't optimally provide input to the Honda Development Team.

FOM payments are far from enough. A team like Ferrari clearly needs a lot of millions coming from Ferrari the car manufacturer to stay in the game. If Honda is leaving F1 once again it's because it can't sell its engines for what they cost, they must put money in. Now it's Stroll putting money in through Aston Martin. Etc.

Ducati seems like the fastest ride for the moment.We can only tell about Honda after Marquez come back.However we need to see 2 or more races with Marquez onboard of Honda and then see where the problem is.Honda surely isn't in their top but it cannot be that bad as yesterday either.

F1 teams gain revenue via FOM payments which is a pretty messed up system, sponsorships, link up with pay drivers for some teams and outside investment for other teams.  The teams themselves make their revenue.  It’s not some kind of pit where money is thrown to keep it going.  Lol.

Yamaha managed somehow to be more gentle on the tires.
When they were at 5 laps at the end they improved their time while Ducati could not keep their lap time.

They won by managing better the tires.

Jorge MARTIN is doing very good, 1st year with Ducati and already close to the driver with more expirience.

My guess was wrong, I championed Ducati, but it turned out that Yamaha was number 1 today and Quartararo won. I thought that was pretty good, some riders overtaking each other. From the first race, Ducati's speed was superior, Yamaha looked powerless on a straight track.
Regarding Honda, the opening two series looks like they are nowhere to be seen. The races were dominated by Yamaha and Ducati. Even today Honda is not in the top 10, is there a problem with Honda? I haven't found it yet. Then about Marquez I hope he will be able to join the next race in Portugal on April 18th.

The MotoGP was so boring this evening.
The only interesting thing is to see how fast is the Ducati 

I hope to see Marquez next week to see if the Honda is a really bad moto or if only he can drive it.

No all these things cost money ! Sponsorships are marketing, the goal is to sell your product, that's the only thing that brings money in. But indeed, Red Bull spends a lot of money in a lots of sports, it's amazing.

Looking at the starting grid, it will be the duel between Ducati vs. Yamaha.
Vinales can be the one who have biggest motivation to win since he won the 1st race week ago.
It is hard to predict obviously but I'm trying to predict who will be on the Podium by the end of the Race as follow:

1. Vinales
2. Jack Miller
3. Zarco

It is just a single lap.Of course it is great to see new names in Pole Position which gives a moral boost to these riders.Tonight at 19 Pm European time is the race and I think it will be an interesting race.A lot of contenders like Morbidelli are starting from behind and as always in Moto Gp races it is critical to come out without crashing from the first turn.The true face of any rider is the race,the race shows the true skills of everyone and this year Moto Gp without Marquez in these first two races sure helps to make it interesting.

I agree. Many people just know Red Bull by their beverages. But the situation is completely different. As you said, for example there are football teams like Leipzig, Salzburg and NY Red Bulls which are sponsored by Red Bull. And it is not limited to football teams only. So, it could be a wrong point of view to say that Red Bull is just known by their beverages.

For RedBull, this is mainly to do with marketing and to make the RedBull brand known and market it all over the world, Mateschitz also enjoys it, primarily the source of income and what is geared towards the energy drink and the other things are the drink subordinate to marketing purposes.

Second MotoGP in Doha is still dominated by Ducati and Yamaha. Rossi started from number 21, Morbidelli in position 10. While in front , positions 1,2 and 3 are Martin, Zarco and Vinales. Remember Martin was a debut this season, but he was able to start in first position. Here's the starting grid for the second race at doha.

1      Jorge Martin                   Pramac Ducati
2   Johann Zarco           Pramac Ducati
3   Maverick Viñales           Monster Yamaha
4   Jack Miller                   Ducati Team
5   Fabio Quartararo           Monster Yamaha
6   Francesco Bagnaia   Ducati Team
7   Aleix Espargaro           Aprilia Gresini
8   Alex Rins                   Suzuki Ecstar
9   Joan Mir                   Suzuki Ecstar
10   Franco Morbidelli           Petronas Yamaha
11   Stefan Bradl                   Repsol Honda
12   Miguel Oliveira           Red Bull KTM
13   Luca Marini                   Sky VR46 Avintia Ducati
14   Alex Marquez           LCR Honda
15   Pol Espargaro           Repsol Honda
16   Takaaki Nakagami   LCR Honda
17   Danilo Petrucci           KTM Tech3
18   Brad Binder                   Red Bull KTM
19   Enea Bastianini           Avintia Ducati
20   Iker Lecuona                   KTM Tech3
21   Valentino Rossi           Petronas Yamaha
22   Lorenzo Savadori           Aprilia Gresini1

Who is the winner of this second series? Maybe from Ducati. IMO

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

This is not true at all, at least entirely.
Red Bull has a lot of things in their hands besides the beverage.

They get money from many spots, they have teams in football/soccer whatever you wanna call it, moto, extreme sports, other races cars, and many more.

Before COvid in 2019 they got 6.1 billions $ in sales, I don't think 150m spent in a F1 where they will earn too from the advertising is a big deal.