And Mercedes sells millions of expensive cars to pay for F1.
Meanwhile Red Bull sells cans of let's say questionable beverage.
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April 03, 2021, 03:39:02 PM
April 03, 2021, 03:03:50 PM
If Verstappen has just gone wide every turn like Hamilton to get better lap times, yes. But going wide to pass is still something else fundamentally. There are plenty of corners where there is no advantage in going out and thus no enforcement of track limits, where you could use them to overtake by doing some maneuvers (passing by not braking, forcing the other care to brake more, then braking less because you use the parking outside the circuit).
Imola is again an old school track that I'm looking forward to, as last year Verstappen was closer to the Mercedes, but think Verstappen had one defect? But on the Imola track with the sandbanks, every mistake is quickly punished. Due to the pandemic, is it already fixed that they can drive in Imola?I think this is going to be weird, Red Bull increases the whole deal of ever place they ever go to, look at how much they improved football for example, only team fighting against Bayern is Leipzig. They are fighting to overthrow Mercedes as well and I think they have a chance to actually do that as well. It is going to be really fun to see this season play out, this Honda deal really seems to be making big time difference.
April 03, 2021, 12:54:13 PM
Fantastic qualifying from Martin, in the second race as a rookie on pole position. Incredible!!
Otherwise, similar to last week Ducati, very fast like the factory yamaha, even with strong winds. Rossi was rather very disappointing.
Otherwise, similar to last week Ducati, very fast like the factory yamaha, even with strong winds. Rossi was rather very disappointing.
April 03, 2021, 03:03:53 AM
About Rossi I'm not a MotoGP fan but I will translate it to F1. If I was an F1 pilot and a team wanted me to continue, I would continue. You're driving the most exciting things on the planet, there is nothing that compares. We have seen these last few years several pilots close to 40 years old or even more staying on, as long as they're wanted.
Also usually with that job comes a nice salary and lots of sponsorships, so $$$.
I also understand someone like Rosberg who quit after becoming champion, or others who feel they got enough danger, but that's not the majority. Most F1 pilots are quite unhappy to see their career ending...
Also usually with that job comes a nice salary and lots of sponsorships, so $$$.
I also understand someone like Rosberg who quit after becoming champion, or others who feel they got enough danger, but that's not the majority. Most F1 pilots are quite unhappy to see their career ending...
You are right, if the sponsor wants Rossi, then the team will extend his contract, because the money hangs from sponsorship for Rossi. However, as a racer who is at a less productive age, it is time for him to sacrifice his sponsorship wishes and choose a career to become a mentor / coach instead of being a racer for next season. It would be better than him getting worse.
Rossi will remain the Dorna as a cashmaker even after his driver career as presumably team boss. Like last year he will only extend the contract if he is competitive, so just wait for the next races otherwise he will make place for a young driver like last year. For Petronas with merchandising, Rossi is of course an asset.
April 02, 2021, 05:44:28 PM
About Rossi I'm not a MotoGP fan but I will translate it to F1. If I was an F1 pilot and a team wanted me to continue, I would continue. You're driving the most exciting things on the planet, there is nothing that compares. We have seen these last few years several pilots close to 40 years old or even more staying on, as long as they're wanted.
Also usually with that job comes a nice salary and lots of sponsorships, so $$$.
I also understand someone like Rosberg who quit after becoming champion, or others who feel they got enough danger, but that's not the majority. Most F1 pilots are quite unhappy to see their career ending...
Also usually with that job comes a nice salary and lots of sponsorships, so $$$.
I also understand someone like Rosberg who quit after becoming champion, or others who feel they got enough danger, but that's not the majority. Most F1 pilots are quite unhappy to see their career ending...
You are right, if the sponsor wants Rossi, then the team will extend his contract, because the money hangs from sponsorship for Rossi. However, as a racer who is at a less productive age, it is time for him to sacrifice his sponsorship wishes and choose a career to become a mentor / coach instead of being a racer for next season. It would be better than him getting worse.
April 02, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
Imola is again an old school track that I'm looking forward to, as last year Verstappen was closer to the Mercedes, but think Verstappen had one defect? But on the Imola track with the sandbanks, every mistake is quickly punished. Due to the pandemic, is it already fixed that they can drive in Imola?
I hate Imola so much but you are absolutely right.
With the car we have, ehm they have this year they have less drag in the rear of the car so high-speed turns are definitely a problem since they can lose their car easier at least in the 1st half of the season till they are figuring out how to gain the drag lost.
The FIA's target was to have -15% ish in drag but teams with progress from the past year are around 5-10% less than 2020.
Imagine doing SPA or Mugello now no drag on the high speed turns
April 02, 2021, 05:41:45 AM
If Verstappen has just gone wide every turn like Hamilton to get better lap times, yes. But going wide to pass is still something else fundamentally. There are plenty of corners where there is no advantage in going out and thus no enforcement of track limits, where you could use them to overtake by doing some maneuvers (passing by not braking, forcing the other care to brake more, then braking less because you use the parking outside the circuit).
Imola is again an old school track that I'm looking forward to, as last year Verstappen was closer to the Mercedes, but think Verstappen had one defect? But on the Imola track with the sandbanks, every mistake is quickly punished. Due to the pandemic, is it already fixed that they can drive in Imola?
April 02, 2021, 12:30:51 AM
If Verstappen has just gone wide every turn like Hamilton to get better lap times, yes. But going wide to pass is still something else fundamentally. There are plenty of corners where there is no advantage in going out and thus no enforcement of track limits, where you could use them to overtake by doing some maneuvers (passing by not braking, forcing the other care to brake more, then braking less because you use the parking outside the circuit).
April 01, 2021, 05:50:20 AM
So I’ve been hearing that the drivers were briefed before the race and were told that going out of the track at turn 4 was allowed. Guess who took advantage of it to cut his time per lap..? Hamilton. He went off track 29 times at turn 4. He found his edge and won. Such as brilliant driver.
Yes. During the race, Red Bull complained that Hamilton was going outside track limits at turn 4, and was gaining an advantage... so the officials said he had to stop doing it.
And then, at the end, as we all know... Verstappen overtook Hamilton... by running outside track limits at turn 4... and so, because officials had already said Hamilton couldn't do it, they had to say Verstappen couldn't do it either and had to hand the place back.
Kind of weird that if Red Bull hadn't made the initial complaint, they'd have had a decent chance of winning the race... they could have claimed that Hamilton had been running wide there with no action taken, so Max could do the same.
Not really because the rule was that you could run wide if you didn't gain an advantage. Passing someone by going wide is definitely getting an advantage. The only thing that could happen would be to penalize Hamilton, because if he ran wide at every turn it must be because he got an advantage, however in practice the marshalls should have done what they finally threatened to do, show him a flag (yellow and black ?) then penalize hime next time he did it, they couldn't retroactively penalise him for all the laps before.
Certainly they couldn't penalise him retroactively, no.
But on the other point, I don't know. Red Bull claimed that Hamilton was gaining 0.2 seconds a lap there. If - hypothetically - they hadn't mentioned this until the Max overtake, when the officials told him to give the place back, then they could have presented their evidence and said Hamilton had been gaining an advantage there every lap and no action had been taken, therefore no action should be taken against Max. Appreciate though that this is quite an unlikely scenario... in reality they were always going to mention it as soon as they became aware of it.
March 31, 2021, 03:39:36 PM
So what do you think? are you agree?
You're right, age has forbidden him to return to being the best. His will does not keep up with age. I think for retirement, maybe this year is the right year. Maybe at this time Dorna still considers Rossi as an attraction, so Dorna has changed the regulations regarding the age of the riders. Just look at this year he is still special with a new motorbike engine, different from Morbidelli. If you know, last year's Morbidelli performed better than Rossi. For a new star, maybe if there is a new racer like Marquez who is able to appear dominant this season, that name will become the new favorite racer.Morbidelli will fight for the title if given a competitive bike.He has experience now from last year and he can be a threat to Marquez who will start in a handicap of minus two races as a minimum this year.
Rossi era is long gonne now and I don't think he can give any more adrenaline in general to the MotoGp races.
Unfortunately, Yamaha is not competitive on all tracks and mostly has tire problems, the factoury team has it better this time. Yamaha usually start the season well in contrast to Suzuki who usually get stronger over the season.
I don't know what was going on with Rossi either, but Morbidelli also drive behind. ~snip~
Yes, you probably already know, Morbidelli doesn't use the new YZR-M1 engine. They chose 3 other racers to use the new machine. Although Morbidelli performed well last year, he finished second at the end of the standings. In Qatar, there are clear differences between the four riders. Just look at the champions Vinales, Quartararo in fifth, and Rossi in twelfth. For Morbidelli failed to finish, I saw in FP 3 he was the fastest. However, it seems that it cannot be used as a reference during the race.You can't say that across the board, last year Morbidelli was the best Yamaha rider with the older spec.
March 31, 2021, 02:24:11 PM
I don't know what was going on with Rossi either, but Morbidelli also drive behind. ~snip~
Yes, you probably already know, Morbidelli doesn't use the new YZR-M1 engine. They chose 3 other racers to use the new machine. Although Morbidelli performed well last year, he finished second at the end of the standings. In Qatar, there are clear differences between the four riders. Just look at the champions Vinales, Quartararo in fifth, and Rossi in twelfth. For Morbidelli failed to finish, I saw in FP 3 he was the fastest. However, it seems that it cannot be used as a reference during the race. March 31, 2021, 11:17:49 AM
About Rossi I'm not a MotoGP fan but I will translate it to F1. If I was an F1 pilot and a team wanted me to continue, I would continue. You're driving the most exciting things on the planet, there is nothing that compares. We have seen these last few years several pilots close to 40 years old or even more staying on, as long as they're wanted.
Also usually with that job comes a nice salary and lots of sponsorships, so $$$.
I also understand someone like Rosberg who quit after becoming champion, or others who feel they got enough danger, but that's not the majority. Most F1 pilots are quite unhappy to see their career ending...
Also usually with that job comes a nice salary and lots of sponsorships, so $$$.
I also understand someone like Rosberg who quit after becoming champion, or others who feel they got enough danger, but that's not the majority. Most F1 pilots are quite unhappy to see their career ending...
March 31, 2021, 08:01:40 AM
So what do you think? are you agree?
You're right, age has forbidden him to return to being the best. His will does not keep up with age. I think for retirement, maybe this year is the right year. Maybe at this time Dorna still considers Rossi as an attraction, so Dorna has changed the regulations regarding the age of the riders. Just look at this year he is still special with a new motorbike engine, different from Morbidelli. If you know, last year's Morbidelli performed better than Rossi. For a new star, maybe if there is a new racer like Marquez who is able to appear dominant this season, that name will become the new favorite racer.Morbidelli will fight for the title if given a competitive bike.He has experience now from last year and he can be a threat to Marquez who will start in a handicap of minus two races as a minimum this year.
Rossi era is long gonne now and I don't think he can give any more adrenaline in general to the MotoGp races.
March 31, 2021, 07:26:19 AM
Qatar Moto GP results.
-snip-
It seems that Rossi must understand that he is old. His great will is not supported by his physique. He was only able to finish in 12th position. It was a good start for Vinales, he won in Qatar. Vinales without a rival after Lap 15 until the finish. An exciting duel was in 2nd and 3rd position between Zarco and Mir, unfortunately at the last corner of Mir Widen and Bagnaia overtake her took the 3rd position
-snip-
It seems that Rossi must understand that he is old. His great will is not supported by his physique. He was only able to finish in 12th position. It was a good start for Vinales, he won in Qatar. Vinales without a rival after Lap 15 until the finish. An exciting duel was in 2nd and 3rd position between Zarco and Mir, unfortunately at the last corner of Mir Widen and Bagnaia overtake her took the 3rd position
I don't know what was going on with Rossi either, but Morbidelli also drive behind. Perhaps Petronas had a problem with the vote or went in the wrong direction? Wait for this weekend to see if you can find a more competitive match at Petronas, I wouldn't write off Rossi yet. KTM was also very disappointing for me.
As I heard from the news, Rossi blames the Petronas Team in choosing the tires especially the rear one that makes him hard to compete after few laps.
He and team should learn from the first race as the next race will be on the same circuit, otherwise we can expect that he and team wont get better result.
I also think that he is too old already to be competitive, so I think he need to consider to retire.
He has big name already with many achievements in his carrier, I do not think he should force himself to get another World Champion Title.
Yes he and Morbidelli have problems with the rear tires and he hope Petronas Yamaha can find the problems why. he also said is good to see a Yamaha wining so it's a problem with the settings not the bike.
https://www.servustv.com/sport/a/mehr-erwartet-warum-valentino-rossi-in-katar-auf-platz-zwoelf-abrutschte/22566/
March 31, 2021, 06:31:01 AM
So what do you think? are you agree?
You're right, age has forbidden him to return to being the best. His will does not keep up with age. I think for retirement, maybe this year is the right year. Maybe at this time Dorna still considers Rossi as an attraction, so Dorna has changed the regulations regarding the age of the riders. Just look at this year he is still special with a new motorbike engine, different from Morbidelli. If you know, last year's Morbidelli performed better than Rossi. For a new star, maybe if there is a new racer like Marquez who is able to appear dominant this season, that name will become the new favorite racer. March 31, 2021, 05:18:47 AM
So I’ve been hearing that the drivers were briefed before the race and were told that going out of the track at turn 4 was allowed. Guess who took advantage of it to cut his time per lap..? Hamilton. He went off track 29 times at turn 4. He found his edge and won. Such as brilliant driver.
Yes. During the race, Red Bull complained that Hamilton was going outside track limits at turn 4, and was gaining an advantage... so the officials said he had to stop doing it.
And then, at the end, as we all know... Verstappen overtook Hamilton... by running outside track limits at turn 4... and so, because officials had already said Hamilton couldn't do it, they had to say Verstappen couldn't do it either and had to hand the place back.
Kind of weird that if Red Bull hadn't made the initial complaint, they'd have had a decent chance of winning the race... they could have claimed that Hamilton had been running wide there with no action taken, so Max could do the same.
Not really because the rule was that you could run wide if you didn't gain an advantage. Passing someone by going wide is definitely getting an advantage. The only thing that could happen would be to penalize Hamilton, because if he ran wide at every turn it must be because he got an advantage, however in practice the marshalls should have done what they finally threatened to do, show him a flag (yellow and black ?) then penalize hime next time he did it, they couldn't retroactively penalise him for all the laps before.
March 30, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
^ The overcut turned out to have worked in Hamilton’s favor. Brilliant performance from him and it really showed how Hamilton is really good at managing his tires towards the end. Can’t wait for the next one.
This season’s gonna be close between RBR and Merc.
This season’s gonna be close between RBR and Merc.
I don't think between RedBull and Mercedes, rather between Verstappen and Hamilton. Bottas have only a very little Chance for the championship, the second drivers by RedBull and Mercedes not strong enought.
@tokeweed like I said last week Mercedes will be winning it, and even though they did not win like they normally do yet another victory for them. However I feel that Verstappen can drive Hamilton all the way, and in the long run even beat him for the title too by driving a Ferrari
. March 30, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
In the last few years, Rossi's performance going down. IMO, it is time for Rossi to retire from racing. His age, which is no longer young, seems to have affected to his performance. It is time for him to focus on the team he started and provide the racing techniques he have for his riders. Indeed, for some people, MotoGP without Rossi look like losing a legend. However, this will be temporary, a new legends will emerge with a younger age.
So what do you think? are you agree?
So what do you think? are you agree?
March 30, 2021, 10:05:48 AM
So I’ve been hearing that the drivers were briefed before the race and were told that going out of the track at turn 4 was allowed. Guess who took advantage of it to cut his time per lap..? Hamilton. He went off track 29 times at turn 4. He found his edge and won. Such as brilliant driver.
Yes. During the race, Red Bull complained that Hamilton was going outside track limits at turn 4, and was gaining an advantage... so the officials said he had to stop doing it.
And then, at the end, as we all know... Verstappen overtook Hamilton... by running outside track limits at turn 4... and so, because officials had already said Hamilton couldn't do it, they had to say Verstappen couldn't do it either and had to hand the place back.
Kind of weird that if Red Bull hadn't made the initial complaint, they'd have had a decent chance of winning the race... they could have claimed that Hamilton had been running wide there with no action taken, so Max could do the same.
March 30, 2021, 09:04:30 AM
^ The overcut turned out to have worked in Hamilton’s favor. Brilliant performance from him and it really showed how Hamilton is really good at managing his tires towards the end. Can’t wait for the next one.
This season’s gonna be close between RBR and Merc.
This season’s gonna be close between RBR and Merc.
I don't think between RedBull and Mercedes, rather between Verstappen and Hamilton. Bottas have only a very little Chance for the championship, the second drivers by RedBull and Mercedes not strong enought.
It's a bit early to say for Perez at RedBull I would say.
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