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October 26, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
Nobody watched MotoGP Truel yesterday? Franco Morbidelli of Petronas Yamaha SRT, won that day. After pole sitter Takaaki Nakagami fell, Morbidelli comfortably took first place until the end of the race. Actually I hope that Takaaki Nakagami can compete until the finish. But that was only hope, at turn five on the first lap he fell. I know that starting from the front is Nakagami's first experience. It made him feel like he was under mental stress and it made him nervous.
October 26, 2020, 08:28:33 AM
If anyone had any more doubts regarding Hamilton this should settle the things forever as there is no other driver better than him and I think he has a lot more to offer in the next coming years.
History has been re-written today and I'm glad I watched it live but it would've been more fun if the rain was coming but I don't get it how so many dark clouds can be around the circuit and yet no one touches it...
History has been re-written today and I'm glad I watched it live but it would've been more fun if the rain was coming but I don't get it how so many dark clouds can be around the circuit and yet no one touches it...
He's an excellent driver no doubt but he wouldn't be dominating without driving for Merc imho. I mean put Verstappen or Vettel in that car and they'd be winning lots of GP's for sure... Can't wait for the spec changes.
October 26, 2020, 07:07:28 AM
Not a boring race in the beginning but unfortunately the waters calmed down during the ending phases of the race.Congrats to Lewis Hamilton for making history with his 92th win but the main event of the race I think was Kimmi Raikonnen going from P17 to P6 in the first lap.It was a brillant lap and anyone can opt to re watch it in Youtube and Instagram F1 page.
Kimi have a perfect strategy with the soft red tyre and make all right but he have the same problems for all other Ferrari powers tems the weak engine. So it's so hard to drive into the points with this engine. Only Williams is weaker thank all other Ferrari powers Teams, so sorry for the drivers.
October 26, 2020, 05:01:11 AM
Not a boring race in the beginning but unfortunately the waters calmed down during the ending phases of the race.Congrats to Lewis Hamilton for making history with his 92th win but the main event of the race I think was Kimmi Raikonnen going from P17 to P6 in the first lap.It was a brillant lap and anyone can opt to re watch it in Youtube and Instagram F1 page.
October 25, 2020, 06:24:10 PM
Albon being lapped again by Verstappen. I think he won't be a Red Bull driver anymore next year.
Mercedes are outstanding today.
Mercedes are outstanding today.
I also don't believe that Albon or a other RedBull junior drive next years at RedBull team. Helmut Marco also say that candidate are Hulkenberg and Perez, so all look at the future performance of Albon the last races.
October 25, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
Fun Grand Prix only in the initial part when we had a bit of rain on the track and the riders with red and therefore softer tires were able to take advantage.
When the track dried completely, the values on the drivers emerged with a dominating Hamilton and a Bottas "killed" even today.
The third force in the world championship is Verstappen and an excellent fourth place for LeClerc, the Ferrari updates seem to be working, even Vetter bottled up in traffic managed to set decent times as much as he could find a clear track.
Vetter and Albion are a step below their teammates this year.
Gasly and Russel are also excellent, incredible that these two drivers probably won't be in F1 next year.
When the track dried completely, the values on the drivers emerged with a dominating Hamilton and a Bottas "killed" even today.
The third force in the world championship is Verstappen and an excellent fourth place for LeClerc, the Ferrari updates seem to be working, even Vetter bottled up in traffic managed to set decent times as much as he could find a clear track.
Vetter and Albion are a step below their teammates this year.
Gasly and Russel are also excellent, incredible that these two drivers probably won't be in F1 next year.
October 25, 2020, 04:02:22 PM
If anyone had any more doubts regarding Hamilton this should settle the things forever as there is no other driver better than him
Yes. The ease with which he dispatched of Bottas was very revealing. He won by almost half a minute. He has the best car, but so does Bottas. Over one lap in qualifying, there's not much between them. In a race the story is very different. Hamilton is able to consistently hit good lap times, in a way that Bottas can't. He can manage his tyres better, which was a factor in the simple overtake today. He's better in the wet. He makes fewer mistakes.
A few laps in, and we had Bottas leading with Hamilton a couple of seconds back. Everyone knew what would happen: Hamilton would close in, pressure Bottas - who may or may not make a mistake - but regardless, Hamilton would likely pass him. But once Hamilton had passed, that was it, end of race - barring some anomaly like bad pit stop, rain, safety car. There is almost zero chance of Bottas attacking and passing Hamilton and holding him at bay in a race situation.
October 25, 2020, 01:40:56 PM
It not bad race I think, even without rain. Start was crazy when nobody didn't had grip and Sainz took the lead. Offcourse, few laps later everything returned back to normal. There was no fight between Lewis, Bottas and Vertsappen and gaps between them were huge.
Very solid race for Leclerc, Gasly continue his great performance. Perez lost few positions in final laps, but was good race for him - he was last after accident with Verstappen, but managed to recover many places.
I liked Portimao track and it's sad that F1 probably won't return here next year
And not Mercedes were outstanding today, Hamilton was outstanding, he won race against Bottas by 25 seconds! And Mercedes managed their tyres very well today, what let them to pit very late.
Very solid race for Leclerc, Gasly continue his great performance. Perez lost few positions in final laps, but was good race for him - he was last after accident with Verstappen, but managed to recover many places.
I liked Portimao track and it's sad that F1 probably won't return here next year
Albon being lapped again by Verstappen. I think he won't be a Red Bull driver anymore next year.
Mercedes are outstanding today.
I think it's big hit for Albon to be overtaken by his teammate. Odds for him to stay in Red Bull isn't good I think. I read somewhere that Red Bull aren't planning to replace him by Alpha Tauri or youth program driver. So, probably it will be Perez or Hulk - I don't see any better options available now.Mercedes are outstanding today.
And not Mercedes were outstanding today, Hamilton was outstanding, he won race against Bottas by 25 seconds! And Mercedes managed their tyres very well today, what let them to pit very late.
October 25, 2020, 10:15:16 AM
If anyone had any more doubts regarding Hamilton this should settle the things forever as there is no other driver better than him and I think he has a lot more to offer in the next coming years.
History has been re-written today and I'm glad I watched it live but it would've been more fun if the rain was coming but I don't get it how so many dark clouds can be around the circuit and yet no one touches it...
History has been re-written today and I'm glad I watched it live but it would've been more fun if the rain was coming but I don't get it how so many dark clouds can be around the circuit and yet no one touches it...
October 25, 2020, 09:27:02 AM
Albon being lapped again by Verstappen. I think he won't be a Red Bull driver anymore next year.
Mercedes are outstanding today.
Mercedes are outstanding today.
October 25, 2020, 08:12:42 AM
The GP is staring and Gasly said
"some drops of rain".
Enjoy the GP, will be a fun start with 1st turn where only 1 car can pass.
"some drops of rain".
Enjoy the GP, will be a fun start with 1st turn where only 1 car can pass.
October 25, 2020, 05:55:03 AM
Well I don't think it would be that easy for Hamilton. Verstappen is much closer this qualification. Lets see what this race brings us.
I don't expect a 1-2 for Mercedes
I don't expect a 1-2 for Mercedes
October 25, 2020, 05:04:08 AM
Not so easy, it was very close. One key takeaway from qualifying for me is the similarity between Hamilton and Verstappen, and how they differ to Bottas. The standard approach is to have an 'out lap' to get the tyres in the right window, before going for the qualifying lap. However this time around, both Hamilton and Verstappen - independently of one another - decided the conditions meant that having 2 warm up laps might be better... which they both did, which led to Hamilton securing pole and Verstappen being right on their tails.
Note that Bottas was ahead of Hamilton in practices and qualifying sessions right up until the final attempt at the end of Q3 when it really mattered. The difference for Hamilton and Verstappen in this instance is that they both had a better and more nuanced understanding of conditions than Bottas did, and that 2 lap warm up paid dividends.
October 25, 2020, 02:26:30 AM
Anyway the times for Today are
Lewis Hamilton (Gbr) Mercedes GP 1min 16.652secs
Valtteri Bottas (Fin) Mercedes GP 1:16.754
Max Verstappen (Ned) Red Bull 1:16.904
Charles Leclerc (Mon) Ferrari 1:17.090
Sergio Perez (Mex) Racing Point 1:17.223
Alexander Albon (Tha) Red Bull 1:17.437
Carlos Sainz (Spa) McLaren 1:17.520
Lando Norris (Gbr) McLaren 1:17.525
Pierre Gasly (Fra) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.803
Daniel Ricciardo (Aus) Renault 1:17.481
Esteban Ocon (Fra) Renault 1:17.614
Lance Stroll (Can) Racing Point 1:17.626
Daniil Kvyat (Rus) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.728
George Russell (Gbr) Williams 1:17.788
Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Ferrari 1:17.919
Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.201
Antonio Giovinazzi (Ita) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.323
Romain Grosjean (Fra) Haas F1 1:18.364
Kevin Magnussen (Den) Haas F1 1:18.508
Nicholas Latifi (Can) Williams 1:18.777
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2020/10/24/portuguese-grand-prix-2020-qualifying-f1-live-algarve-news/
I didn't expect such a competitive Ferrari, only 4/10 from Mercedes.
Don't look at Vettel times he is demotivated and maybe he also has not all the updates.
Ferrari was so confident with Charles to do 2 time attempt on FP2 with hardes tires like Mercedes, astonishing IMHO.
Lewis Hamilton (Gbr) Mercedes GP 1min 16.652secs
Valtteri Bottas (Fin) Mercedes GP 1:16.754
Max Verstappen (Ned) Red Bull 1:16.904
Charles Leclerc (Mon) Ferrari 1:17.090
Sergio Perez (Mex) Racing Point 1:17.223
Alexander Albon (Tha) Red Bull 1:17.437
Carlos Sainz (Spa) McLaren 1:17.520
Lando Norris (Gbr) McLaren 1:17.525
Pierre Gasly (Fra) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.803
Daniel Ricciardo (Aus) Renault 1:17.481
Esteban Ocon (Fra) Renault 1:17.614
Lance Stroll (Can) Racing Point 1:17.626
Daniil Kvyat (Rus) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.728
George Russell (Gbr) Williams 1:17.788
Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Ferrari 1:17.919
Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.201
Antonio Giovinazzi (Ita) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.323
Romain Grosjean (Fra) Haas F1 1:18.364
Kevin Magnussen (Den) Haas F1 1:18.508
Nicholas Latifi (Can) Williams 1:18.777
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2020/10/24/portuguese-grand-prix-2020-qualifying-f1-live-algarve-news/
I didn't expect such a competitive Ferrari, only 4/10 from Mercedes.
Don't look at Vettel times he is demotivated and maybe he also has not all the updates.
Ferrari was so confident with Charles to do 2 time attempt on FP2 with hardes tires like Mercedes, astonishing IMHO.
Easy pole for Lewis Hamilton once again...
If he doesn't make any huge mistake he is going to win this circuit.
Having Bottas on the second position gives him a security for doing the 1-2...
October 24, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
Anyway the times for Today are
Lewis Hamilton (Gbr) Mercedes GP 1min 16.652secs
Valtteri Bottas (Fin) Mercedes GP 1:16.754
Max Verstappen (Ned) Red Bull 1:16.904
Charles Leclerc (Mon) Ferrari 1:17.090
Sergio Perez (Mex) Racing Point 1:17.223
Alexander Albon (Tha) Red Bull 1:17.437
Carlos Sainz (Spa) McLaren 1:17.520
Lando Norris (Gbr) McLaren 1:17.525
Pierre Gasly (Fra) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.803
Daniel Ricciardo (Aus) Renault 1:17.481
Esteban Ocon (Fra) Renault 1:17.614
Lance Stroll (Can) Racing Point 1:17.626
Daniil Kvyat (Rus) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.728
George Russell (Gbr) Williams 1:17.788
Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Ferrari 1:17.919
Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.201
Antonio Giovinazzi (Ita) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.323
Romain Grosjean (Fra) Haas F1 1:18.364
Kevin Magnussen (Den) Haas F1 1:18.508
Nicholas Latifi (Can) Williams 1:18.777
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2020/10/24/portuguese-grand-prix-2020-qualifying-f1-live-algarve-news/
I didn't expect such a competitive Ferrari, only 4/10 from Mercedes.
Don't look at Vettel times he is demotivated and maybe he also has not all the updates.
Ferrari was so confident with Charles to do 2 time attempt on FP2 with hardes tires like Mercedes, astonishing IMHO.
Lewis Hamilton (Gbr) Mercedes GP 1min 16.652secs
Valtteri Bottas (Fin) Mercedes GP 1:16.754
Max Verstappen (Ned) Red Bull 1:16.904
Charles Leclerc (Mon) Ferrari 1:17.090
Sergio Perez (Mex) Racing Point 1:17.223
Alexander Albon (Tha) Red Bull 1:17.437
Carlos Sainz (Spa) McLaren 1:17.520
Lando Norris (Gbr) McLaren 1:17.525
Pierre Gasly (Fra) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.803
Daniel Ricciardo (Aus) Renault 1:17.481
Esteban Ocon (Fra) Renault 1:17.614
Lance Stroll (Can) Racing Point 1:17.626
Daniil Kvyat (Rus) Scuderia AlphaTauri 1:17.728
George Russell (Gbr) Williams 1:17.788
Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Ferrari 1:17.919
Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.201
Antonio Giovinazzi (Ita) Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.323
Romain Grosjean (Fra) Haas F1 1:18.364
Kevin Magnussen (Den) Haas F1 1:18.508
Nicholas Latifi (Can) Williams 1:18.777
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2020/10/24/portuguese-grand-prix-2020-qualifying-f1-live-algarve-news/
I didn't expect such a competitive Ferrari, only 4/10 from Mercedes.
Don't look at Vettel times he is demotivated and maybe he also has not all the updates.
Ferrari was so confident with Charles to do 2 time attempt on FP2 with hardes tires like Mercedes, astonishing IMHO.
October 24, 2020, 02:17:52 PM
If I remember correctly the position of this year will determine the work you can do after 2 years so from 2022, not 2021 
No, I don't think so. The position this year determines the work you can do next year.
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How will the scale work?
It’ll be based on the championship position at the end of the previous season and then reset on June 30 each year to reflect the current state of play.
For 2021, if the pecking order remains the same, Mercedes will receive 90% of the testing allocation, which translates to 36 runs per week (just under half of what they had for this season). The allocation then increases as you go down the grid in championship order
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-f1s-new-sliding-scale-aero-testing-rules-work-and-what-impact-they-will.pn0sG8N4A0cjbNRbdYx8a.htmlIt’ll be based on the championship position at the end of the previous season and then reset on June 30 each year to reflect the current state of play.
For 2021, if the pecking order remains the same, Mercedes will receive 90% of the testing allocation, which translates to 36 runs per week (just under half of what they had for this season). The allocation then increases as you go down the grid in championship order
The rules will be implemented in 2021, but are based on the previous season. The 2021 allocation is based on where teams finish this year. Of course there is the question of whether testing done in 2021 is for the improvement of the 2021 car - which will by that point already exist and be racing - or whether it's for the development of the 2022 car. But the work is definitely based on the previous season, not two seasons ago.
October 24, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
If I remember correctly the position of this year will determine the work you can do after 2 years so from 2022, not 2021
Anyway good result today for Leclect, the upgrades work but we need to wait next year for the new engine, stupid rules.
Anyway good result today for Leclect, the upgrades work but we need to wait next year for the new engine, stupid rules.
Leclerc is on another level, when he gets the proper car it will be interesting, from what I can see the car will be better next season 100%, I see increments of improvement already and that is the way to go.Plus, it's been a while since it was only half a second behind the Merc.
I want to add Russell too, he is driving monster stuff lately, if he gets a chance in a good car, he will be blazing.
October 24, 2020, 01:56:50 PM
Whilst teams do have a bit of leeway for development next year, it's very limited. I wouldn't anticipate that Ferrari can be up there challenging for race wins in 2021.
However... a bad performance this season will actually help Ferrari a little bit for 2021.
However... a bad performance this season will actually help Ferrari a little bit for 2021.
If I remember correctly the position of this year will determine the work you can do after 2 years so from 2022, not 2021
Anyway good result today for Leclect, the upgrades work but we need to wait next year for the new engine, stupid rules.
October 24, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
But when the next Ferrari engine is also so weak than it's for all Ferrari driver very demotivating.
Ferrari already said they will have an huge improvment on next year engine.
Whilst teams do have a bit of leeway for development next year, it's very limited. I wouldn't anticipate that Ferrari can be up there challenging for race wins in 2021.
However... a bad performance this season will actually help Ferrari a little bit for 2021. The lower a team finishes this year, the more aerodynamic development they are permitted next year... which will of course aid their 2022 development - 2022 being the full reset with new rules and new cars for everyone.
https://www.racefans.net/2020/10/06/f1s-new-aero-handicap-rules-mean-ferraris-dire-season-will-help-them-in-2022/
October 23, 2020, 04:25:29 PM
But when the next Ferrari engine is also so weak than it's for all Ferrari driver very demotivating.
Ferrari already said they will have an huge improvment on next year engine.
This year they couldn't touch it at all for the regulation it was born poorly after the nerf from the FIA and they couldn't do anything about it, what a stupid rule.
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