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Quote from: Cnut237 on August 04, 2020, 03:39:53 PM

The weather forecast for Sunday afternoon is 22C, with very little chance of rain. https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2637827
Also the hard tyres that were the preferred option last time will not be available... which means presumably that no-one will be trying a one-stop strategy.
If they are going for 2 or even 3 stop, then we shouldn't have the situation where an early safety car means cars running huge stints on one set of tyres.

... which all goes to suggest a predictable race.

Is anyone betting against a Merc 1-2?

Yeah, I read that Pirelli will send softer compound tyres to this GP. So, I think that 1 pit stop strategy is not likely this weekend.
It will be hot on free practices on Friday - 32°C and 26°C on Saturday. But on race day it will be just 22-23°C, something similar like last weekend. Though, forecast may change until race.
So, if nothing unexpected won't happen, Mercedes probably are going to dominate again.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 04, 2020, 09:42:07 AM

We need to hope for a very very hot weekend in Silverstone (hotter week means more damage on tires and how we just saw is a big deal there) or in a very rainy day, both are possibilities here.

If we have a similar climate it will be a boring week since they know what to do.

The weather forecast for Sunday afternoon is 22C, with very little chance of rain. https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2637827
Also the hard tyres that were the preferred option last time will not be available... which means presumably that no-one will be trying a one-stop strategy.
If they are going for 2 or even 3 stop, then we shouldn't have the situation where an early safety car means cars running huge stints on one set of tyres.

... which all goes to suggest a predictable race.

Is anyone betting against a Merc 1-2?

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We need to hope for a very very hot weekend in Silverstone (hotter week means more damage on tires and how we just saw is a big deal there) or in a very rainy day, both are possibilities here.

If we have a similar climate it will be a boring week since they know what to do.

About MOTOGP is now official, Marquez got another surgery he will skip from 2 up to 4 Gps, bye-bye (probably) title.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 04, 2020, 04:44:10 AM

Not only the development of the aero package have a big influence at the performance from Mercedes, also the Ferrari tweak last year pushed Mercedes even more to improve the performance from your engine and after the prohibited from Ferrari the Mercedes engine is the strongest in the field. My opinion and only after the new regulatory the other teams have a chance 2022.

Absolutely. The Ferrari super engine last year forced Mercedes to work extra hard. And then the Ferrari engine was declared illegal... but crucially, their 2020 car was designed to accommodate that now-banned engine. The new Ferrari lower power engine doesn't work so well with their 2020 car, with results that have been clear to see in the opening few races. And yes, the development freeze for 2021 means that it's almost inevitable that Mercedes will carry their current huge advantage into next year as well.

... and then 2022, with the new regulations that are supposed to level the field and allow closer racing, we start again with the dawn of a new era, where any team could come out on top. But if the rule changes have the desired effect, then the days of a single team dominating as much as Mercedes are at the moment will be gone forever.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 03, 2020, 02:52:17 PM

Interesting article about technic update and development between Mercedes, Ferrari, Racing Point & Red Bull.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-ferrari-red-bull-tech-update/4849124

All Teams try updates for the Britisch GP but for Mercedes isn't enough...

Thanks. It is interesting to get some technical information about the various approaches of the teams. Unfortunately, whatever minor tweaks Ferrari and Red Bull make, it won't be enough... they have both dropped back from their performance last year - in Ferrari's case largely due to the issue with the illegal engine - which Mercedes have moved ahead a bit. The gap between MErcedes and everyone else is now a huge gulf, as exemplified by the fact that Racing Point are now able to vie for podium places.

Unfortunately the best that Red Bull can hope for is a clear second place in the championship, and the best Ferrari can hope for is third - although that doesn't seem particularly likely, given that Vettel just doesn't seem interested and is just seeing out his contract.

Red Bull have the luck that Verstappen gets the maximum out of his car.

Albon is struggling a lot and let's hope for him the tide quickly change and he start finishing closer to the top. The gap between Max and he is now too big.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on August 04, 2020, 03:42:23 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on August 03, 2020, 02:52:17 PM

Interesting article about technic update and development between Mercedes, Ferrari, Racing Point & Red Bull.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-ferrari-red-bull-tech-update/4849124

All Teams try updates for the Britisch GP but for Mercedes isn't enough...

Thanks. It is interesting to get some technical information about the various approaches of the teams. Unfortunately, whatever minor tweaks Ferrari and Red Bull make, it won't be enough... they have both dropped back from their performance last year - in Ferrari's case largely due to the issue with the illegal engine - which Mercedes have moved ahead a bit. The gap between MErcedes and everyone else is now a huge gulf, as exemplified by the fact that Racing Point are now able to vie for podium places.

Unfortunately the best that Red Bull can hope for is a clear second place in the championship, and the best Ferrari can hope for is third - although that doesn't seem particularly likely, given that Vettel just doesn't seem interested and is just seeing out his contract.

Not only the development of the aero package have a big influence at the performance from Mercedes, also the Ferrari tweak last year pushed Mercedes even more to improve the performance from your engine and after the prohibited from Ferrari the Mercedes engine is the strongest in the field. My opinion and only after the new regulatory the other teams have a chance 2022.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 03, 2020, 02:52:17 PM

Interesting article about technic update and development between Mercedes, Ferrari, Racing Point & Red Bull.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-ferrari-red-bull-tech-update/4849124

All Teams try updates for the Britisch GP but for Mercedes isn't enough...

Thanks. It is interesting to get some technical information about the various approaches of the teams. Unfortunately, whatever minor tweaks Ferrari and Red Bull make, it won't be enough... they have both dropped back from their performance last year - in Ferrari's case largely due to the issue with the illegal engine - which Mercedes have moved ahead a bit. The gap between MErcedes and everyone else is now a huge gulf, as exemplified by the fact that Racing Point are now able to vie for podium places.

Unfortunately the best that Red Bull can hope for is a clear second place in the championship, and the best Ferrari can hope for is third - although that doesn't seem particularly likely, given that Vettel just doesn't seem interested and is just seeing out his contract.

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Marc will probably missing at the Brno GP because of his second surgery.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/marc-marquez-misses-brno-injury/4849206

But i think it's good for his health when he also miss the first Austrian GP. So i by this fact and fewer races this year we will see a other champion then Marc.

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Interesting article about technic update and development between Mercedes, Ferrari, Racing Point & Red Bull.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-ferrari-red-bull-tech-update/4849124

All Teams try updates for the Britisch GP but for Mercedes isn't enough...

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 03, 2020, 02:12:52 AM

Quote from: Cnut237 on August 02, 2020, 09:46:14 AM

Absolutely ridiculous finish to the British GP just now... punctures for both Mercedes cars, Hamilton on last lap. Verstappen was so far behind Hamilton, he took an extra pit stop to get fastest lap... but as it turned out, if he stayed out and not pitted for fastest lap, he'd have easily caught the 3-wheeled Hamilton and won the race!

This from the official F1 twitter account sums it up:

Hamilton can win races with only 3 tyres.
Everyone is judging RBR for giving Max a pit stop otherwise he might be first, but how could they know that Hamilton is going to have tyre problem in the end of the race?

Indeed and Red Bull already told that Max's tyres weren't that good too.

If Hamilton tyres failed a few seconds earlier Max could won it but let's see what's next race brings.

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I think RedBull and Verstappen going the save way and change the tyres after the tire damage by Bottas, also to the one point for the fastet lap.

This weekend are interesting Pirelli take this weekend softer tire compounds so i think more box stops than yesterday.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 03, 2020, 02:12:52 AM

Quote from: Cnut237 on August 02, 2020, 09:46:14 AM

Absolutely ridiculous finish to the British GP just now... punctures for both Mercedes cars, Hamilton on last lap. Verstappen was so far behind Hamilton, he took an extra pit stop to get fastest lap... but as it turned out, if he stayed out and not pitted for fastest lap, he'd have easily caught the 3-wheeled Hamilton and won the race!

This from the official F1 twitter account sums it up:

Hamilton can win races with only 3 tyres.
Everyone is judging RBR for giving Max a pit stop otherwise he might be first, but how could they know that Hamilton is going to have tyre problem in the end of the race?

They could.If they were careful to the details which the F1 race graphic showed the tyre that had the puncture was only 12% effective while Bottas had 26% effective and had the puncture.I think they rushed to get the 1 point from the fastest lap and not being careful to read all the data which could have led them to race win yesterday.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on August 02, 2020, 09:46:14 AM

Absolutely ridiculous finish to the British GP just now... punctures for both Mercedes cars, Hamilton on last lap. Verstappen was so far behind Hamilton, he took an extra pit stop to get fastest lap... but as it turned out, if he stayed out and not pitted for fastest lap, he'd have easily caught the 3-wheeled Hamilton and won the race!

This from the official F1 twitter account sums it up:

Hamilton can win races with only 3 tyres.
Everyone is judging RBR for giving Max a pit stop otherwise he might be first, but how could they know that Hamilton is going to have tyre problem in the end of the race?

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To pit Verstappen was the most logical thing to do at that point in the race.Unfortunately it turned out that if they wouldn’t pit Max then he would have won the race as his tires were not as degraded as the ones of Mercedes drivers were.Right when I was thinking it is the first Silverstone boring race the series of events in the last laps made it beautiful to watch.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 02, 2020, 01:08:43 PM

Why greddy? He had no chances to reach Mercedes, so changing tyres and try to get fastest lap is logical decision. And who knows, if he wouldn't had made pit stop, Merceses and Sainz disaster would happen to him.

Because he saw Bottas with tire explosion and Hamilton with blistering.
Since he knows he will not gonna win the championship he needs to point to winning.

He could stay out and hope for a similar problem to Hamilton, Bottas and Hamilton pitted on the same lap.
The Verstappen tires were in a better condition but he was greedy he went to the pit to earn 1 point from the fastest lap, while everyone knows no one will beat this Mercedes for the championship.

To me is a huge mistake to aim at 1 useless point.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 02, 2020, 01:08:43 PM

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Happy to not see Verstappen winning, he was too greedy changing the tires to get the fast lap while Mercedes was struggling with tires.

Why greddy? He had no chances to reach Mercedes, so changing tyres and try to get fastest lap is logical decision. And who knows, if he wouldn't had made pit stop, Merceses and Sainz disaster would happen to him.

Yes, this is true. Verstappen did say "The tyres didn't look great with 10 laps to go, they didn't look pretty." If he had carried on, he could quite easily have had the same issue. I take back my earlier comment:

Quote from: Cnut237 on August 02, 2020, 09:46:14 AM

if he stayed out and not pitted for fastest lap, he'd have easily caught the 3-wheeled Hamilton and won the race!

If he stayed out and not pitted for fastest lap, he may have easily caught the 3-wheeled Hamilton and won the race, or he may have lost a tyre and dropped some places.

The sad thing is the way this impacts the championship, Bottas is now so far behind Hamilton, in cars that normally finish 1 and 2, that it would now take 4 Bottas victories to undo the damage done today (25-18)*4 = 28.

The safety car caused everyone to make their stop a bit earlier than they would have normally, which is why the tyres were struggling so much at the end - they had run longer than they should have. That said, it's a surprise that we had 3 instances of total tyre failure, and Pirelli will need to look at that.

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Wow, what a crazy finnish. Actually, whole race was boring, but that end made it worth to watch. Bottas and Sainz are really unlucky today - they wasted so much time until they reached pits to change tyres that even finnished without points. While Hamilton is so lucky today - I can't remember when I saw race winner finnishing on 3 wheels.
While another podium for Ferrari with such car is really great result,

Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 02, 2020, 10:04:14 AM

Happy to not see Verstappen winning, he was too greedy changing the tires to get the fast lap while Mercedes was struggling with tires.

Why greddy? He had no chances to reach Mercedes, so changing tyres and try to get fastest lap is logical decision. And who knows, if he wouldn't had made pit stop, Merceses and Sainz disaster would happen to him.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 31, 2020, 03:39:37 AM

At Brno i see a chance for Yamaha only the uphill straight you need more engine power but the under circuit at Brno is a balanced circuit. But in Austria that's a power race for the engine there i don't see many chance for Yamaha bu we will see the next 4 Weeks. And Honda have without Marc not really a chance to win, but think he'll be back soon.

I read some news if Marquez will perform in Brno. Marquez is a great racer, despite suffering from an injury to his right hand, he will try to win the race in Brno. We know Brno has eight turns to the right, this is the same as an injury the right arm. Surely this injury will be difficult because the heavy burden when cornering to the right will make him feel pain in his arm. Although there are still many weaknesses and Marquez is not ready 100%, I think Yamaha should be vigilant because we know Marquez is a racer who has a strong will.

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WTF has happened in the last 2 laps.
Hamilton is always lucky in this kind of situation Grin

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Ferrari got another miracle today with the podium.

Happy to not see Verstappen winning, he was too greedy changing the tires to get the fast lap while Mercedes was struggling with tires.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on August 02, 2020, 09:46:14 AM

Absolutely ridiculous finish to the British GP just now... punctures for both Mercedes cars, Hamilton on last lap. Verstappen was so far behind Hamilton, he took an extra pit stop to get fastest lap... but as it turned out, if he stayed out and not pitted for fastest lap, he'd have easily caught the 3-wheeled Hamilton and won the race!

This from the official F1 twitter account sums it up:

What an endings of the race. Too bad Verstappen took the 'free' pitstop.

But too bad those things need to happen to get a chance of the victory of the other teams.

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