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I have always loved it when Mercedes doesn't end up winning, any race that doesn't have either bottas or hamilton at the top is a great race for me, I love watching these races and Max really just sent it at the end there, that take over after he got out of the pit and reclaimed his position instantly got published on f1 official youtube channel, we are talking about one of the best moves there.

I feel like if all racers raced in the same cars, bottas and hamilton would have been waaay down from their places, definitely not last because they are still quite great racers, but 20-30% advantage is probably their cars. In any case my boy Lando Norris ended up 9th today, not a good race from him Sad hopefully he will recover and brings it next race so he could keep his position.

I think we cannot judge them like that.If we do then Michael Schumacher except the two titles with Benetton the others with Ferrari would not count because Ferrari was the best car back then.Hamilton is another level and he demonstrated it the first year with McLaren that he lost the Championship just because of one point difference.

Just to correct you a bit m8, Schumi's Ferrari was not the best car on the grid from the get go and not all titles he won with Ferrari are clear cut best car on the grid scenario. Do some reading and learning and you will see what I mean.

So those two scenarios can't be compared as the same.

No need to correct me as I have been watching F1 since Senna times and the fact that Schumi hit the wall at Silverstone 1999 and broke his leg is only his fault and no one else.He would have won the title in 1999.Ferrari was at the same level if not a bit better than McLaren at those years.Then in year 2000 and above Ferrari was in another league just like Mercedes it is now.Schumi is a driver not well known for massive overtakings like Hamilton is and Senna was that is why his seven titles means nothing to me.Probably because I am an all time McLaren fan.
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Fun race, when they can't stop Mercedes the only way to make races fun is to create problems with the tyres.

Anyway, this was an interesting race should Pirelli do this thing with pressure every race to shuffle the results? In the end, the stronger will win but it will more fun to watch.

Well they created the problem with the tyres for every team, not only for Mercedes. Red Bull and Max just managed the best with it.

And it was not only the tyres but also the heat which Mercedes couldn't handle. We also saw that last year in for example Austria where they also had problems.
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I cannot recall the race that Mercedes lost in strategy during the last 2-3 seasons.
They lost yesterday and Redbull got it from them.
Toto Wolff had to apologize to the fans for the mistakes they made but it was normal - Redbull got their risks and won the race. Congrats to Max for this great race he made.
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I have always loved it when Mercedes doesn't end up winning, any race that doesn't have either bottas or hamilton at the top is a great race for me, I love watching these races and Max really just sent it at the end there, that take over after he got out of the pit and reclaimed his position instantly got published on f1 official youtube channel, we are talking about one of the best moves there.

I feel like if all racers raced in the same cars, bottas and hamilton would have been waaay down from their places, definitely not last because they are still quite great racers, but 20-30% advantage is probably their cars. In any case my boy Lando Norris ended up 9th today, not a good race from him Sad hopefully he will recover and brings it next race so he could keep his position.

I think we cannot judge them like that.If we do then Michael Schumacher except the two titles with Benetton the others with Ferrari would not count because Ferrari was the best car back then.Hamilton is another level and he demonstrated it the first year with McLaren that he lost the Championship just because of one point difference.

Just to correct you a bit m8, Schumi's Ferrari was not the best car on the grid from the get go and not all titles he won with Ferrari are clear cut best car on the grid scenario. Do some reading and learning and you will see what I mean.

So those two scenarios can't be compared as the same.
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At time a very good race from Petronas Yamaha and KTM, a little surprise this standing but at MotoGP can Mord Factorys win than at Formula1. So wait and see if the soft tires hold up until the end?

First win for KTM after 4 years and about 200 days after the start at MotoGP ✌✌ and first Rookie win after Marc 👌
My prediction was wrong. Fabio Quartararo turns out to be in seventh place, this is exchanged with champion Brno this time who started from the race from seventh position Brad Binder. He succeeded in becoming the champion in Brno this time. Yes, it is true that he became the first rookie since 2013 to win a series owned by Marquez. Currently Brad Binder has collected 28 points and is ranked 5th in the standings.
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I have always loved it when Mercedes doesn't end up winning, any race that doesn't have either bottas or hamilton at the top is a great race for me, I love watching these races and Max really just sent it at the end there, that take over after he got out of the pit and reclaimed his position instantly got published on f1 official youtube channel, we are talking about one of the best moves there.

I feel like if all racers raced in the same cars, bottas and hamilton would have been waaay down from their places, definitely not last because they are still quite great racers, but 20-30% advantage is probably their cars. In any case my boy Lando Norris ended up 9th today, not a good race from him Sad hopefully he will recover and brings it next race so he could keep his position.

I think we cannot judge them like that.If we do then Michael Schumacher except the two titles with Benetton the others with Ferrari would not count because Ferrari was the best car back then.Hamilton is another level and he demonstrated it the first year with McLaren that he lost the Championship just because of one point difference.
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Fun race, when they can't stop Mercedes the only way to make races fun is to create problems with the tyres.

Anyway, this was an interesting race should Pirelli do this thing with pressure every race to shuffle the results? In the end, the stronger will win but it will more fun to watch.
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I have always loved it when Mercedes doesn't end up winning, any race that doesn't have either bottas or hamilton at the top is a great race for me, I love watching these races and Max really just sent it at the end there, that take over after he got out of the pit and reclaimed his position instantly got published on f1 official youtube channel, we are talking about one of the best moves there.

I feel like if all racers raced in the same cars, bottas and hamilton would have been waaay down from their places, definitely not last because they are still quite great racers, but 20-30% advantage is probably their cars. In any case my boy Lando Norris ended up 9th today, not a good race from him Sad hopefully he will recover and brings it next race so he could keep his position.
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Indeed, it's incredible what Max did today. Perfect drive from him and great Red Bull strategy. Seems that currently he is only driver who can compete with Mercedes.
Another great race for Leclerc - P4. He had risky 1 pit stop strategy, but seems Ferrari didn't made mistake with it.
He's a great driver, yes. I think however that today might be unrepresentative of the rest of the season. We had the perfect combintation of factors to give Red Bull a chance. Normally their car is a long way behind the Merc, and no matter how good Max is, his car can't compete.
What we had today were three things:
1) A very hot day.
2) A track that is known for being very very tough on tyres.
3) No hard tyres for the race, Pirelli withdrew them. This week's 'hard' were what last week we called 'medium'.
So these three factors combined to mean that tyre degradation, Mercedes only weakness, was hugely important. It is difficult to see the same thing happening too many times again this season. We need all three factors together really for the Red Bull to have a chance.

how possible is a Hamilton - Verstappen partnership at Merc?
I would say very unlikely. Remember the chaos and ill-feeling of the Hamilton/Rosberg years? Hamilton/Bottas works perfectly for the team dynamic, and Mercedes already have the driver's and constructor's championships sewn up. I can't see that they'd bring Max in whilst Hamilton is still there.
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Indeed, it's incredible what Max did today. Perfect drive from him and great Red Bull strategy. Seems that currently he is only driver who can compete with Mercedes.
Another great race for Leclerc - P4. He had risky 1 pit stop strategy, but seems Ferrari didn't made mistake with it.

^  And seems like he's def the driver next in line to be at Mercedes.  Grin  With rumors Hamilton to stay swirling around and I guess Bottas is just on a another one year deal thing(?), how possible is a Hamilton - Verstappen partnership at Merc?  ...  Assuming RBR sucks next year and Verstappen's release clause is activated.

Seems like it's def one way to get people interested in F1 again.  I didn't watch any of the races live tbh. 
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SuperMax deserved the win today and I'm glad he did it in style as that radio with the team made my day as he showed once again that his spirit is to battle no matter what the strategies think about the race. Mercedes was to afraid to go on 1 strategy stop in the 1st half of the race and I think it was the turning point of the race for them as they lost in front of a well think strategy of RedBull.

Ferrari is simply giving Vettel the worst car they could build and they're going all in with development to Charles and I don't blame them but personally I expect some words from Vettel against Ferrari next year.
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Indeed, it's incredible what Max did today. Perfect drive from him and great Red Bull strategy. Seems that currently he is only driver who can compete with Mercedes.
Another great race for Leclerc - P4. He had risky 1 pit stop strategy, but seems Ferrari didn't made mistake with it.
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What a race of Max Verstappen and a great tactic of Red Bull Racing.

Good to see a race without any safety car.
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At time a very good race from Petronas Yamaha and KTM, a little surprise this standing but at MotoGP can Mord Factorys win than at Formula1. So wait and see if the soft tires hold up until the end?

First win for KTM after 4 years and about 200 days after the start at MotoGP ✌✌ and first Rookie win after Marc 👌
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 No qualifying at F1 and MotoGp as most would have expected.

Bottas and Hulkenberg make a surprise and also Zarco at #1 no one have bet in this. Sorry for KTM that Pol Espargaró time are cancelled.
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Marquez is going to have this problem for the rest of his life.
He should take some rest for some weeks but this is going to let him out of the championship this season.
It is not also sure that Marquez's titanium plate is not going to create any problem again in the future.
Yes I think this action is hurting Marquez and the team. But why after the first operation are allowed for trials? Obviously it takes 7-9 weeks to cure the injury. With this case I think that Marquez must be able to accept that he is injured and stop his desire to appear in the next few race. Although his desire is strong, but injury prevented him. Wish him a speedy recovery and start racing again.
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2018 was the last game that I bought from codemasters and I must say that 2019 was not so good but 2020 F1 is a masterpiece with some nostalgic cars and circuits. Also I do hope for F120 they will make an update as soon as possible to introduce the new circuits.

Tomorrow I think Max strategy will pay high if we gonna see 2+ safety cars.
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^  Ugh..  Aston Martin?  They suck afaik.  But is their potential development any good this year?  

The company really needs the team to raise their profile and give them some sales and recognition.   They should be highly motivated to succeed and make a mark if nothing else because its so important.

I presume everyone here is interested in F1 so its relevant to mention you can claim a PC edition of F1 2018 free if you want to store it away for a rainy day, no hassle to claim and register on steam I found and I know the site for years -
 
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^  Ugh..  Aston Martin?  They suck afaik.  But is their potential development any good this year?  

The company really needs the team to raise their profile and give them some sales and recognition.   They should be highly motivated to succeed and make a mark if nothing else because its so important.

I presume everyone here is interested in F1 so its relevant to mention you can claim a PC edition of F1 2018 free if you want to store it away for a rainy day, no hassle to claim and register on steam I found and I know the site for years -
 
Thats not referral, go via google if preferred just a free game and a good one.
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Well, this story with Racing Point looks really ridiculous. As I understand, they were punished just for Styrian GP, while Renault made protest after 3 races. So, if they would be punished for all 3 races with same penalties, it would svery serious. Though, 15 points is already not small penalty for team like Racing Point.
But will they be allowed to use illegal parts  and gain advantage against their opponents in remaining part of season? If yes, it would be nonsense.

FIA, everything is possible with FIA. Your post summarized it perfectly. It is a complete nonsense and I don't see a way to untangle this safely. I presume Solomon will come , cut something in two and both parties will be half-satisfied with the solution.

That would most likely be the wisest choice for FIA.
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