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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 19, 2020, 03:49:40 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on August 19, 2020, 03:42:34 AM

Actually also the tyres Management is in discussion.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-pirelli-tyres-fans-2022/4859345/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-1

My opinion are, i hope for tyres the are mature longer and for faster laps, but for a better and variety strategy at the Teams and not all the same, a smaller gasoline tank than all Teams must refuel. And no gasoline Limit, that's Motorsport and no boring carrera track run like Formel E.

Fuel refills were part of the races in the past.
Just remember that they stopped it in order to make the sport more competitive. How is it possible for them to take a decision now to recall them back?
It is just about the money that teams invest in their cars and this is the reason why Mercedes is the best team by far.

I watch TV with this opinion refuel in the 90s , and the races are more interesting, so many different strategies, fast stop and lighter car at the beginning or heavy cars and faster at the end... At time so many boring all Teams have the same strategy no freedom of movement for smaller Teams. So at time are good start and Mercedes win...

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 19, 2020, 03:42:34 AM

Actually also the tyres Management is in discussion.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-pirelli-tyres-fans-2022/4859345/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-1

My opinion are, i hope for tyres the are mature longer and for faster laps, but for a better and variety strategy at the Teams and not all the same, a smaller gasoline tank than all Teams must refuel. And no gasoline Limit, that's Motorsport and no boring carrera track run like Formel E.

Fuel refills were part of the races in the past.
Just remember that they stopped it in order to make the sport more competitive. How is it possible for them to take a decision now to recall them back?
It is just about the money that teams invest in their cars and this is the reason why Mercedes is the best team by far.

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Actually also the tyres Management is in discussion.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-pirelli-tyres-fans-2022/4859345/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-1

My opinion are, i hope for tyres the are mature longer and for faster laps, but for a better and variety strategy at the Teams and not all the same, a smaller gasoline tank than all Teams must refuel. And no gasoline Limit, that's Motorsport and no boring carrera track run like Formel E.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 18, 2020, 10:15:36 AM

Why next year? Bigger updates and development are for next year also freeze!? The only that the teams can do, hope for 2022 with big updates and a new development engine. But it's 2022 for all teams very hard also the other make development and at the beginning from 2022 we will see, making the other teams a step to Mercedes or Mercedes also very dominant.

Yes, but for example for Ferrari, the problem is the engine since it has been nerfed from FIA.
Right now they can't upgrade it till the end of the season by the currents rule.

But in Winter they can work to the current engine and use an upgraded version on next season.

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Yes it's for all team with Ferrari engine very sad to say, all Ferrari powered teams drive at the rest of the field. So sorry for Kimi, he's a cool driver but with this Car and weak engine he have no chance to points.

Yeah and no once can upgrades the engine with the currents rules so gives a f**k to upgrade the car if you can't compete anyway, save money for the next year is the only option avaiable.

Why next year? Bigger updates and development are for next year also freeze!? The only that the teams can do, hope for 2022 with big updates and a new development engine. But it's 2022 for all teams very hard also the other make development and at the beginning from 2022 we will see, making the other teams a step to Mercedes or Mercedes also very dominant.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 18, 2020, 04:03:11 AM

Yes it's for all team with Ferrari engine very sad to say, all Ferrari powered teams drive at the rest of the field. So sorry for Kimi, he's a cool driver but with this Car and weak engine he have no chance to points.

Yeah and no once can upgrades the engine with the currents rules so gives a f**k to upgrade the car if you can't compete anyway, save money for the next year is the only option avaiable.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 17, 2020, 09:36:07 AM

That's Formula "boring" this and the next year but also the last years are not spectacular. So i hope with the new regulatory other teams catching up on Mercedes.

The rules of Formula 1 are a joke.

Take the example of Ferrari cause right now they are sucking.
They lost 100hp from Fia decision because they were using too much oil in the gasoline, now Mercedes is doing the same thing but in a different way but they can.

Also, this is not the sad part.

After having the -100hp on his engine, Ferrari needed to build a new engine and the SAD part is that the engine is locked in progress by FIA from February to December so...
Why a team with a weak engine should even try to upgrade the car if they can't upgrade their engine??

The logical way is to lock everything expensive on the car and progress only on the 2021 car.

Yes it's for all team with Ferrari engine very sad to say, all Ferrari powered teams drive at the rest of the field. So sorry for Kimi, he's a cool driver but with this Car and weak engine he have no chance to points.

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 17, 2020, 01:53:53 PM

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 16, 2020, 12:09:50 PM

The gp of Spain wasn't that exciting like last week. Top 3 was predicted only Verstappen surprised to split the Mercedes.

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon was so promising last season when he replaced Gasly in the Red bull car.
This season Gasly seems to be more prudent and he performs better that Albon so maybe Redbull is going to switch them again(?).
Driver of the day was Vettel, he did a good race but still Ferrari is so noncompetitive this season.

Well from Vettels perspective it was a good race. From Ferrari's perspective it was a disaster. The fall down a lot this year.

It was a disaster due to Leclerc quitting the race.
However, it was a good result for them that Vettel did. They are unable to challenge wins, even podiums during their season because their car dynamic is very low.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 17, 2020, 03:15:14 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on August 17, 2020, 09:36:07 AM

That's Formula "boring" this and the next year but also the last years are not spectacular. So i hope with the new regulatory other teams catching up on Mercedes.

The rules of Formula 1 are a joke.

Take the example of Ferrari cause right now they are sucking.
They lost 100hp from Fia decision because they were using too much oil in the gasoline, now Mercedes is doing the same thing but in a different way but they can.

Also, this is not the sad part.

After having the -100hp on his engine, Ferrari needed to build a new engine and the SAD part is that the engine is locked in progress by FIA from February to December so...
Why a team with a weak engine should even try to upgrade the car if they can't upgrade their engine??

The logical way is to lock everything expensive on the car and progress only on the 2021 car.

The thing is that the world has gone crazy with climate change agenda, saving, carbon footprint, political correctness and a lot of other madnesses and isms. Those thing resulted in over regulation of a lot of things and you see that in Formula 1 too.

One incident and suddenly we won't have refueling in the pit stops anymore. If a world would have that approach to stop or ban something potential dangerous because of one accident or incident where would we be now?

The real truth is that it's all so artificial and we only watch it because we love it too much, but we would give everything to go back where teams could spend as much as they like, refuel as much as they like and drive as fast as they can.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 17, 2020, 09:36:07 AM

That's Formula "boring" this and the next year but also the last years are not spectacular. So i hope with the new regulatory other teams catching up on Mercedes.

The rules of Formula 1 are a joke.

Take the example of Ferrari cause right now they are sucking.
They lost 100hp from Fia decision because they were using too much oil in the gasoline, now Mercedes is doing the same thing but in a different way but they can.

Also, this is not the sad part.

After having the -100hp on his engine, Ferrari needed to build a new engine and the SAD part is that the engine is locked in progress by FIA from February to December so...
Why a team with a weak engine should even try to upgrade the car if they can't upgrade their engine??

The logical way is to lock everything expensive on the car and progress only on the 2021 car.

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 17, 2020, 01:53:53 PM

Quote from: Naida_BR on August 17, 2020, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 16, 2020, 12:09:50 PM

The gp of Spain wasn't that exciting like last week. Top 3 was predicted only Verstappen surprised to split the Mercedes.

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon was so promising last season when he replaced Gasly in the Red bull car.
This season Gasly seems to be more prudent and he performs better that Albon so maybe Redbull is going to switch them again(?).
Driver of the day was Vettel, he did a good race but still Ferrari is so noncompetitive this season.

Well from Vettels perspective it was a good race. From Ferrari's perspective it was a disaster. The fall down a lot this year.

I think if this race was good from Vettel perspective then he probably should take a year off to rethink what he is going to do with his career.If he has lost interest then most probably he should not come back before he feels extremely motivated to race again.I agree with Ferrari perspective this time.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 17, 2020, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 16, 2020, 12:09:50 PM

The gp of Spain wasn't that exciting like last week. Top 3 was predicted only Verstappen surprised to split the Mercedes.

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon was so promising last season when he replaced Gasly in the Red bull car.
This season Gasly seems to be more prudent and he performs better that Albon so maybe Redbull is going to switch them again(?).
Driver of the day was Vettel, he did a good race but still Ferrari is so noncompetitive this season.

Well from Vettels perspective it was a good race. From Ferrari's perspective it was a disaster. The fall down a lot this year.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 17, 2020, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 16, 2020, 12:09:50 PM

The gp of Spain wasn't that exciting like last week. Top 3 was predicted only Verstappen surprised to split the Mercedes.

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon was so promising last season when he replaced Gasly in the Red bull car.
This season Gasly seems to be more prudent and he performs better that Albon so maybe Redbull is going to switch them again(?).
Driver of the day was Vettel, he did a good race but still Ferrari is so noncompetitive this season.

Ferrari shows a disastrous performance this year and then also many inherent mistakes and technical defects. One of the hardest years for Ferrari in Formula 1, but if nothing is changed in the management, they will not achieve the turnaround anytime soon.

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 16, 2020, 12:09:50 PM

The gp of Spain wasn't that exciting like last week. Top 3 was predicted only Verstappen surprised to split the Mercedes.

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon was so promising last season when he replaced Gasly in the Red bull car.
This season Gasly seems to be more prudent and he performs better that Albon so maybe Redbull is going to switch them again(?).
Driver of the day was Vettel, he did a good race but still Ferrari is so noncompetitive this season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 16, 2020, 08:03:20 AM

Valentino Rosso got luck Today in one accident a moto passed over his head at around 300km/h Shocked

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Less than 1 meter away from his death.

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Not only by Rossi also by Vinales the Bike spring over his head Shocked

. Many luck for the drivers yesterday, at the first lap after restart Vinales loses some positions the curve 3 i think he have a flash back at the first moment?

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 16, 2020, 12:53:01 PM

Yeah, Spanish GP was really boring.

Unfortunately this looks to be the pattern for most of the season. Last time out, Max's win was an aberration caused by three factors coming together: a) demanding circuit, b) hot weather, c) drivers limited to fairly soft tyre choices.

We saw today that if you take out one of those factors, Red Bull can't get close, and it's a Hamilton procession. We had harder tyres today, as we did for the first UK race... and Hamilton won by a huge margin.
Given his championship lead at the moment, he looks all but nailed on for another world title.

That's Formula "boring" this and the next year but also the last years are not spectacular. So i hope with the new regulatory other teams catching up on Mercedes.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 16, 2020, 12:53:01 PM

Yeah, Spanish GP was really boring.

Unfortunately this looks to be the pattern for most of the season. Last time out, Max's win was an aberration caused by three factors coming together: a) demanding circuit, b) hot weather, c) drivers limited to fairly soft tyre choices.

We saw today that if you take out one of those factors, Red Bull can't get close, and it's a Hamilton procession. We had harder tyres today, as we did for the first UK race... and Hamilton won by a huge margin.
Given his championship lead at the moment, he looks all but nailed on for another world title.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 16, 2020, 12:53:01 PM

Yeah, Spanish GP was really boring. We saw fight for positions only in the middle of peloton. Finally Vettel had decent - P7. But Ferrari strategy for him was really ridiculous - 37 laps on soft tyres...

Quote from: dre1982 on August 16, 2020, 12:09:50 PM

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

I don't think that changes are needed, I think they should let Albon to finnish season in Red Bull. Yeah, he is underperforming, but I doubt that Gasly or Kvyat would give significantly better results. None of them can't drive even close to Max level. And I think history of Red Bull changing driver in the middle of season, all these comparisons with Max results gives them too much pressure.

It wasn't even a strategy of Ferrari ;-) it was just a decision to let vettel outside and hope for the best . The word strategy means that people made a plan on forehand ;-)

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Yeah, Spanish GP was really boring. We saw fight for positions only in the middle of peloton. Finally Vettel had decent - P7. But Ferrari strategy for him was really ridiculous - 37 laps on soft tyres...

Quote from: dre1982 on August 16, 2020, 12:09:50 PM

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

I don't think that changes are needed, I think they should let Albon to finnish season in Red Bull. Yeah, he is underperforming, but I doubt that Gasly or Kvyat would give significantly better results. None of them can't drive even close to Max level. And I think history of Red Bull changing driver in the middle of season, all these comparisons with Max results gives them too much pressure.

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The gp of Spain wasn't that exciting like last week. Top 3 was predicted only Verstappen surprised to split the Mercedes.

Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 16, 2020, 08:03:20 AM

Valentino Rosso got luck Today in one accident a moto passed over his head at around 300km/h Shocked

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Less than 1 meter away from his death.
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Today's race in Austria happened with a lot of accidents. VR was almost hit by a Morbidelli motorbike that floated into one of the corners, when Rossi passed it it was terrible. However, Andrea Dovizioso survived winning the Austrian MotoGP 2020. The Italiano victory confirmed Ducati's dominance in Spielberg. Almost 4 years Ducati has always won in Austria. Furthermore, congratulations to Yamaha for placing the 3 riders in the current standings.

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