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Quote from: Distraction on April 07, 2024, 06:54:23 AM

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I think last time a Ferrari won at Suzuka was back in 2004 with Schumi and that says a lot about last 2 decades of Ferrari because nothing great happened since then. I also tend to believe that Ferrari needs to win at Suzuka and then they can think towards a championship because this race is a curse that needs to be broken for Ferrari.

Yep , I think the same with RedBull and I cannot see them losing this morning.

Yeah, it was the last time Ferrari won on Suzuka track. Today it didn't happen once again so the series has reached 20 years now. Sad

As long as nothing happens to Verstappen's car like in the Australia GP there was no way he was losing the win to another driver. I can't say 100% maybe as he is also human but his concentration level and the balance of the car combined is just so broken. Grin

At least Ferrari were on podium today with Sainz. Leclerc followed right behind by making up for his poor qualifying result.

Ferrari can finish the season in the 2nd position this time if things don't get messy.

Yep , Suzuka remains a forbidden race for them but hopefully next year they will have a proper chance to actually compete for the win. Yep , I can't see Verstappen losing any races as long as his car won't break down and by the look of how the car was today , I doubt he will have another DNF for quite some time.

True. At least we can be happy as Ferrari fans for having Sainz on podium and a Charles who fought for that p4 for almost entire race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 07, 2024, 02:40:41 PM

Superb race for Leclerc with tyre managment.
In a track where is very hard to overtake in similar condition, he got the best outcome.

Redbull is on another level but today we have the dimostration that Ferrari halved the distance from the past year and now they are the second strenght in the cirucs

It surely looks like that yet we have to see full confirmation after the China race where we will be in Europe where most F1 tracks are based and it is exactly in such tracks that the full power of each team is seen.Ferrari sure looks much more improved as a car compared to last year and they are doing great so far in these first couple of races that we have seen already.

What has caught my eye now is that Perez is there and he is just 13 points distance to Verstappen with 4 races already passed,if he had been a bit more brave and not have the tire problems in Australia he most probably would have been leading the season which would be a welcome change.I think that since he is being consistent in second place it is worth noting that most likely the season has already ended now and most likely the fight for the first place will be between the two Redbulls with Max having a much better chance winning his 4th consecutive title.The number 4 though with Redbull is a cursed one,no one has won more with that car and let's see how it expands to Verstappen.

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Superb race for Leclerc with tyre managment.
In a track where is very hard to overtake in similar condition, he got the best outcome.

Redbull is on another level but today we have the dimostration that Ferrari halved the distance from the past year and now they are the second strenght in the cirucs

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Quote from: boltz on April 06, 2024, 05:58:18 PM

I think last time a Ferrari won at Suzuka was back in 2004 with Schumi and that says a lot about last 2 decades of Ferrari because nothing great happened since then. I also tend to believe that Ferrari needs to win at Suzuka and then they can think towards a championship because this race is a curse that needs to be broken for Ferrari.

Yep , I think the same with RedBull and I cannot see them losing this morning.

Yeah, it was the last time Ferrari won on Suzuka track. Today it didn't happen once again so the series has reached 20 years now. Sad

As long as nothing happens to Verstappen's car like in the Australia GP there was no way he was losing the win to another driver. I can't say 100% maybe as he is also human but his concentration level and the balance of the car combined is just so broken. Grin

At least Ferrari were on podium today with Sainz. Leclerc followed right behind by making up for his poor qualifying result.

Ferrari can finish the season in the 2nd position this time if things don't get messy.

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I think the Japanese GP was one of the most exciting races of the season. Aside from Verstappen's comfortable win, everyone had a different strategy in the middle top group of the grid. Of those strategies, Leclerc's strategy worked very well and took him from 8 to 4. Leclerc had a great performance but was kept off the podium by his team.

Ferrari again got a good result in a race where they were not at the top. I think Ferrari is good at strategy this year. Mercedes seems to have replaced Ferrari this year. Alonso was able to keep 2 cars behind him with timely drs to the car behind him. There was a moment on the bottom row when 5 cars pitted at the same time and it was a strange moment. It was good for Tsunona to score points at home. Finally, it was a race where Ferrari's performance in terms of tire management was much better than last year.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 06, 2024, 09:44:08 AM

fourth consecutive pole for max verstappen on the redbull.
Only Perez managed to threaten him for pole position.

Disappointing day for Ferrari, especially with Leclerc.

The race will now be downhill for the Redbulls, only an unexpected event or abnormal tire degradation could threaten their victory.

I think last time a Ferrari won at Suzuka was back in 2004 with Schumi and that says a lot about last 2 decades of Ferrari because nothing great happened since then. I also tend to believe that Ferrari needs to win at Suzuka and then they can think towards a championship because this race is a curse that needs to be broken for Ferrari.

Yep , I think the same with RedBull and I cannot see them losing this morning.

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Ferrari has a good race pace but has difficulty getting the tires up to temperature.
In the third free practice Ferrari demonstrated an excellent race pace even though it had less fuel than Redbull.

the performance of Sainz and Leclerc's times was excellent, demonstrating low tire degradation.
Great disappointment therefore at Ferrari as they hoped to be close to Max and then battle in the race.
The overall impression remains the same, low degradation, excellent balance.

It will be difficult to get rid of the Meclarens at this track.

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Once again Sainz gave a better performance compared to Charles, and this may be homework for Charles considering that Ferrari gave him more special treatment compared to Sainz.
And as for Max, we don't need to talk about this guy anymore, because this season he's already been on pole several times and maybe this will be another win for him - the only thing stopping him is his car.
And for Ricciardo, it seems his performance is still poor compared to his colleague Tsunoda. Well, maybe the public's expectations of him are too high, which makes his self-confidence decrease even more. Hopefully he can improve his performance or RB is ready to replace him at any time.

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Quote from: boltz on April 04, 2024, 10:03:45 AM

Regarding Vettel , I think this are all rumors and the guy is happy with his current life but I could see him returning as an official within F1...am ambassador or something.

Maybe it is just no more than rumours like you said yeah. News sources love to spread this kind of news regularly. It would still be nice to see in Formula 1 world if he rejoins with a different role instead of driver.

The qualifying results must have made Red Bull very satisfied. Because they had a very dominant run. Perez was known by making mistakes in qualifying session in the previous season but know it seems like he has got over it. We will see if he will keep up the good work to consolidate his seat more. I was sad to see Leclerc being slower than Sainz again. Sad

Leclerc still can't get comfortable with his car unfortunately indeed.

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^ Yup... Another qualifying that finished with Sainz beating Leclerc again. :/ Is this gonna become the trend for Ferrari this season. If so Leclerc would be asking where is the fast car that he was promised last year? Lol. It's gonna be memes galore if the team doesn't deiiver it for him.

And did he already sign a new contract extending his stay beyond 2026? Next year with Hamilton around he'll surely be having a lot tougher time against Lewis Hamilton. I could already see all the memes...

Anyway both Tsunoda and Alonso were impressive at quali.

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fourth consecutive pole for max verstappen on the redbull.
Only Perez managed to threaten him for pole position.

Disappointing day for Ferrari, especially with Leclerc.

The race will now be downhill for the Redbulls, only an unexpected event or abnormal tire degradation could threaten their victory.

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I was expecting a strong McLaren as the last laps of Australian GP they were making fastest laps in a consecutive way and it was only Leclerc last lap that made those fastest laps disappear,the fact that also Piastri is there it shows that they have made some better configuration to the car as I don't know yet of an upgrade package from McLaren and I think it is good that also are there fighting for the podium at least while they may have also a go at winning the race if we have rain,safety cars or tire degradation from Redbull which we have seen in the first two races so far,they were not great with the tires.

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We have left the qualifying behind. Verstappen didn't surprise anyone and took pole position. However it wasn't the easiest one though. Perez was also really close to pole position.

I wasn't expecting to see Norris up there truthfully. I'm wondering how good his racing pace will be already now. It wasn't one of the best qualifying days for Ferrari on the other hand.

While Sainz was doing pretty good Leclerc was having big issues with the car. He didn't look like he was comfortable with it. I think the best position he can finish in would be the 5th or maybe 4th place but I expect him to finish behind Sainz in the circumstances.

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Some more news this time coming from Germany:

It seems that Mercedes has a 3 year list and that Vettel's rumors are partly wrong.

According to them the list has been reduced to Verstappen, Antonelli (gp2 driver) and Alonso for 1 year deal
As for Vettel, a sensational return to Redbull could be configured for next year aswell

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Apart from Bagnaia who has extended his contract with the Ducati factory until the 2026 season, today I saw another rider, namely Fabio Quartararo, who is doing the same thing with the Yamaha factory where he has also signed his contract until 2026. I don't know what caused Fabio Quartararo to continue his career with Yamaha in the next two seasons, because in general Yamaha motorbikes still find it difficult to compete with other factory motorbikes on the current MotoGP grid.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2024/04/05/quartararo-extends-yamaha-contract-until-2026/494140

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Strange tests this morning in Japan where rain was not expected. However, in the first hour we had several possible answers.

-Sainz seems to be at ease in this Ferrari, more than Leclerc.
-Sainz is very close to Redbull in all sectors of the track, even in the most technical ones and this is an excellent confirmation of the huge steps forward made by Ferrari from the past year.
-Even in the race pace it is very close, between 2 and 3 tenths of a second, Redbull will probably win unless there are variables such as greater tyre degradetion.

The forecast is obviously for Max to win with a margin of 15-20 seconds.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 05, 2024, 08:17:28 AM

^ Whoa there... Lol. Wdym beat Lewis Hamilton and win his first driver's championship? Cheesy

Nothing of that sort is happening as long as Hamilton is around. There was that one year with Nico Rosberg but that was about it. Rosberg called it quits and ran with his tail between his legs. Lol.

As for George Russell, the only reason why he's beating Hamilton this year is cos Hamilton has been sucking more than Russell is improving. I think even Vettel could beat Russell with the same car at any given week. But that's just me...

Of course Hamilton is not having any motivation to bring it to race like he used to when he was dominating the sport,as long as there is no real motivation for what you are fighting for meanwhile you have already signed a contract with another team it is only normal to suck more than Russell who fights for improving his place at Mercedes or going to some new better team will perform better.I also think Vettel in the same car can easily beat Russell.

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^ Whoa there... Lol. Wdym beat Lewis Hamilton and win his first driver's championship? Cheesy

Nothing of that sort is happening as long as Hamilton is around. There was that one year with Nico Rosberg but that was about it. Rosberg called it quits and ran with his tail between his legs. Lol.

As for George Russell, the only reason why he's beating Hamilton this year is cos Hamilton has been sucking more than Russell is improving. I think even Vettel could beat Russell with the same car at any given week. But that's just me...

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Rainy day Suzuka and one the drivers who couldn't even make 1 lap in Q2 was Russel and does anything goes well for this kid lately ? because he surely has a big voice and ego but when it comes to actually delivering , he is nowhere to be found. Now , I know Mercedes has a crappy car this year but Russel really believed when he made the jump from Williams to Mercedes that he will still have a championship car , he will beat Lewis and win his 1st F1 title but he was so wrong. I also have my personal believe that it will take more than a decade to see another Britain driver winning an F1 title....maybe Norris can prove me wrong but Piastri is way better and skilled than him. Grin

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We only was able to watch FP1 today as the FP2 was hindered by rain throughout the track and most drivers,most of the important ones didn't finish a single lap.The FP1 though showed once again that Redbull is still the top team having finished 1-2 although the good news is that Ferrari specifically in the hand of Sainz is there to try and fight it out,just 0.213 away from Verstappen.In the race with a bit of rain and the right strategy they can win this.

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