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We first got the sprint results which I was only able to watch the replay because of being very early in the morning. Tongue

There was a Norris - Hamilton fight at the beginning which resulted in Norris' losing the control of his car and losing many places. Hamilton collected really important extra 7 points for his team by finishing as the 2nd.

However the qualifying was really terrible for Hamilton... He couldn't even make it to Q2. Sad

It looks like Mercedes will rely on mostly Russell as he is starting in top 10.

It is quite possible to see a really great competition among Ferrari and McLaren drivers during the race. The sprint race was like a spoiler for that and the competition went on during the qualifying also.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on April 19, 2024, 09:19:38 AM

Sprint qualifying results were of an unexpected kind indeed. However if there is no rain at the weekend then I don't think we will continue to see similar results anymore. Verstappen would make the other drivers accept his dominance once again as usual I assume. We might at least watch a nice competition among the remaining drivers.

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It was truly unexpected that McLaren could get P1 in this Sprint qualifying. We can see how Norris' performance is quite good and consistent - and he is able to adapt to the track quickly. And yeah, Max seems to be trolling F1 fans again, because usually Sprint and FP results don't represent their performance, so I don't really expect that we won't hear "Wilhelmus" this week again LOL. But it looks like this will be quite an interesting race, because there are many possibilities that might happen and maybe it will be a little different from our expectations.

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The sprint qualifying has ended and we got really surprising results.

Yep rain changed everything.

Ferrari was supposed to be very competitive accoridg to the mass media here but even with the dry track they were behind.

Atleast it will be a fun race to watch with Max behind and his overtakes.

I would not say that Max is far behind in this track which is long enough and wide enough to give room to great drivers like Max to overtake easily everyone in front of him and make a short work of this sprint race.I want too to watch a different race yet this track does not permit it as it favors the faster car of the circus more than any other track,even Monza which is a huge straight line does not favor the faster car like this track,seems like designed to give the edge to those who already have it and most likely that is what is going to happen in the sprint race.However I am looking more forward to the real race as that should be fun if the weather conditions change during the time of the race.I am waking up for the qualification now European time 9 AM as I am not crazy to wake up at 5 AM for just a sprint race,maybe for the real race yes not the sprint one though.

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in the dry Lecler was close to the Redbull.
Lecler was only a tenth away, the situation however was different when the track was wet.

The forecast is therefore very difficult to give, especially with cars that should perform less in dry conditions.
There will be two keys to victory: the time lost in overtaking possibly slower cars and above all tire degradation.

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Sprint qualifying results were of an unexpected kind indeed. However if there is no rain at the weekend then I don't think we will continue to see similar results anymore. Verstappen would make the other drivers accept his dominance once again as usual I assume. We might at least watch a nice competition among the remaining drivers.

Because this track is likely to be more fun compared to the previous one in Japan. This track allows the drivers to go for overtakes more comfortably. I'm especially curious about what Mercedes will do here. Because the season is going on like a nightmare for them and they need to start getting good results immediately.

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This weekend the only motorbike race is WSBK at the TT Assen circuit which is located in the Netherlands, but unfortunately today the circuit conditions are wet due to heavy rain, causing Free Practice2 to be temporarily stopped. And it seems that a fierce battle will also be presented again in tomorrow's race and also Sunday's race because remembering that Toprak, who is so integrated with the BMW motorbike, will continue to give resistance to other Ducati riders from tomorrow until Sunday.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 18, 2024, 03:17:06 PM

Max Verstappen spoke to the mics before leaving for the weekend in China, declaring that he has no intention of leaving Redbull.
Do you think it's true or that he only stated it to calm things down after the numerous rumors that have spread in recent weeks?

Wheater update: wet track can be a possibiity

If that's really true then that means the guy who's gonna be given the sack is Christian Horner. And that also means the possbility of losing him too. I say yes please. It's been a while since we've seen some shake up happen in F1 that would change title winning implications. Imagine Horner and Newey at Ferrari and with Hamilton winning his record breaking WDC under their management...

Making history is something everybody wants to see in sporting events even if it means the team they support loses... Many people won't admit it tho.

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Quote from: Distraction on April 19, 2024, 04:23:21 AM

The sprint qualifying has ended and we got really surprising results.

Yep rain changed everything.

Ferrari was supposed to be very competitive accoridg to the mass media here but even with the dry track they were behind.

Atleast it will be a fun race to watch with Max behind and his overtakes.

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The sprint qualifying has ended and we got really surprising results.

Rainy weather changed the odds all of a sudden. Norris got the pole for the sprint race tomorrow morning. First his lap time was removed due to track limits but after the end of the session it came back. Grin

Verstappen had some difficulties in having a smooth lap which made me happy as we saw different results. Tongue

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Max Verstappen spoke to the mics before leaving for the weekend in China, declaring that he has no intention of leaving Redbull.
Do you think it's true or that he only stated it to calm things down after the numerous rumors that have spread in recent weeks?

Wheater update: wet track can be a possibiity

It must be really relieving for Red Bull side to hear about that.

There have been many speculations regarding he would leave lately. However I wonder if he would still think the same if Red Bull turns out not to have the fastest car as of 2026 season... Huh

Because Verstappen is a driver with winner mentality and I'm not sure if he would like to drive for a team other than the number 1.

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I do not think that Red Bull and Ferrari are as close as people think they are. I think the only reason why Ferrari even won any race this season was because Max got a reliability issue, and he had to retire the car, if he kept it going I am sure that he would have won that race too. That is the way Red Bull is this season, as they were last season as well.

They are so much better, and the thing is last season Perez wasn't that great, he finished many races in not second place, and whereas he is finishing most of the season this year at second place as well showing that it is not just Max being Max, it's the car this season completely because Perez is doing amazing as well and that can only happen with car being great.

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Max Verstappen spoke to the mics before leaving for the weekend in China, declaring that he has no intention of leaving Redbull.
Do you think it's true or that he only stated it to calm things down after the numerous rumors that have spread in recent weeks?

Wheater update: wet track can be a possibiity

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 17, 2024, 04:02:59 PM

Journalists started talking about the next Chinese GP with their predictions.

there is talk of a Redbull always at an advantage but with a reduced gap on Ferrari, the track seems very favorable to the Italian team.

Ferrari hasn't won in China for a decade, is this really the right time?

I hope so... I'm mostly an RBR fan but I feel like I've been hating them a lot lately and would love to see them lose against Ferrari. Lol. But let's see.

But sports journos usually write something just to get your attention. Doesn't have to be what they really think. Some of the time, they're just made up... I'm guessing the journalists are from Italy? If yes, that's prolly to make Italian fans more interested in the Chinese GP.

Edit: Verstappen to win is at 1.05. :/ Perez next at 17 then Sainz and Leclerc at 31 each.

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By the way have you heard about the latest news - or should I say rumours? Tongue

- Adrian Newey is in close contact with Ferrari recently and this big transfer could really get real!

- Red Bull is in talks with Sainz while Audi is also trying to convince him to driver for themselves as of 2026.

Adrian Newey, Hamilton and Bono... If all of these names are seen at Ferrari at the same time then I would be very impatient for next season. Grin

When it comes to Red Bull - Sainz it would be a really sensible deal if one of the seats get ready for him.

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Quote from: joniboini on April 17, 2024, 09:15:48 AM

Yeah, that's why it feels surprising seeing how I can see similarities between Rossi-Marquez to Marquez-Acosta or whoever showed a lot of promise as a rookie. This is obviously a simplification and I'm not going to call Acosta the next Marquez or something along those lines, it is just interesting to see. I remember reading how Marquez kept struggling after his big injury in 2020, I guess it is impossible to be consistent for 7 straight seasons even if you're still quite young. Sometimes luck also plays a part so it is hard to argue what he can do better to achieve the next world champion.

Every year there are always opponents who will be an obstacle for anyone who wants to win, whether they are opponents from satellite teams or factory teams. This season Acosta raced as if he didn't have any pressure and as if he had enough experience, even though he was still a rookie, but everyone has admitted that he is truly a great rookie because he was able to beat more experienced riders on the MotoGP grid this season. However, to become a champion, of course there are other things that must be looked at as you said, namely the level of luck because not all riders can get it under the same conditions.

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Journalists started talking about the next Chinese GP with their predictions.

there is talk of a Redbull always at an advantage but with a reduced gap on Ferrari, the track seems very favorable to the Italian team.

Ferrari hasn't won in China for a decade, is this really the right time?

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But I have to give two thumbs up to Pedro Acosta because he was able to immediately make extraordinary improvements with the motorbike in his Gasgas team even though he used the KTM engine brand. Meanwhile, Marquez is on the Gresini team using a Ducati engine but has to compete fiercely with a rookie who has just entered the MotoGP class this season. Obviously this was extraordinary even though Marquez had to go home without any points because he fell in the race.

Yeah, that's why it feels surprising seeing how I can see similarities between Rossi-Marquez to Marquez-Acosta or whoever showed a lot of promise as a rookie. This is obviously a simplification and I'm not going to call Acosta the next Marquez or something along those lines, it is just interesting to see. I remember reading how Marquez kept struggling after his big injury in 2020, I guess it is impossible to be consistent for 7 straight seasons even if you're still quite young. Sometimes luck also plays a part so it is hard to argue what he can do better to achieve the next world champion.

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Did he really have bad memories with Aston Martin? He left with mutual undertanding with the team. And afaik he just retired as he felt like he didn't have it in him to race anymore. And as for Stroll being his teammate, any old F1 driver who couldn't get a seat with a top team would looove to have Stroll as a teammate because Stroll sucks. It would be easy to out qualify him and out point him. :/

I think another reason why it would make sense for Mercedes to get Vettel is he would make a good mentor for Mick Shumacher.

I mean Aston Martin was in pain those days as you would also remember. Vettel wasn't a very competitive driver anymore also of course, you are right about it. However it would have still been nice to see Vettel driving a better version of Aston Martin car like the one in the last season. Alonso was really lucky to drive that car and he did a great work with it.

And yeah, it isn't a difficult job for an experienced and skilled driver to outscore Stroll. However that driver has a really big responsibility to keep the team as high as possible in the standings also.

Last season, Alonso collected 206 points while Stroll had only 74 points... If Stroll was better Aston Martin could have overtaken McLaren too. Sad

The difference was that Aston Martin paid big bucks for some engineers at Red Bull, so when they hired those new designers and engineers from Red Bull they also got all the things that makes Red Bull a better car.

Obviously there are some things even engineers can't handle, no matter how you design the car, if the engine is not as powerful for example, or if the ERS is not as powerful, basically there are so many things that they could, but stuff like the cars shape and all could be worked into it, stolen basically from Newey and put into Aston Martin. Vettel still did as well as he could, and I think he wasn't really caring about it, he could have gone to any other team, he just decided to retire himself there for a bit more last ounce of money.

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^ After the pain of being a Ferrari driver, I don't think Vettel could feel any more pain in F1. Cheesy

At Aston Martin, at least the team listened to him and appreciated his inputs. I don't think it was really the case at Ferrari.

Anyway.. Chinese Grand Prix next! Let's see how Ferrari and Mercedes react after RBR 1 - 2 at Japan.

2024 F1 Chinese GP Schedule
Track: Shanghai International Circuit

April 19: Practice 1 11:30 - 12:30
April 19: Sprint Qualifying 15:30 - 16:15
April 20: Sprint 11:00 - 12:00
April 20: Qualifying 15:00 - 16:00
April 21: Race 15:00

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 14, 2024, 08:10:55 AM

Did he really have bad memories with Aston Martin? He left with mutual undertanding with the team. And afaik he just retired as he felt like he didn't have it in him to race anymore. And as for Stroll being his teammate, any old F1 driver who couldn't get a seat with a top team would looove to have Stroll as a teammate because Stroll sucks. It would be easy to out qualify him and out point him. :/

I think another reason why it would make sense for Mercedes to get Vettel is he would make a good mentor for Mick Shumacher.

I mean Aston Martin was in pain those days as you would also remember. Vettel wasn't a very competitive driver anymore also of course, you are right about it. However it would have still been nice to see Vettel driving a better version of Aston Martin car like the one in the last season. Alonso was really lucky to drive that car and he did a great work with it.

And yeah, it isn't a difficult job for an experienced and skilled driver to outscore Stroll. However that driver has a really big responsibility to keep the team as high as possible in the standings also.

Last season, Alonso collected 206 points while Stroll had only 74 points... If Stroll was better Aston Martin could have overtaken McLaren too. Sad

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Alonso signed contract with Aston Martin, which means that Sainz is not moving to Aston Martin after this season. Which leaves only a Mercedes spot left for him that's it. However, there are many other smaller teams that will not have contract with some of their racers, so he could find himself a spot in a team that is not great.

I am not saying that Haas or Williams would be lining up to get him, I just think that we are not going to see any changes or anything for them, I think it should be important to notice that we are going to send up with Sainz having an issue. He is too good of a driver to not be in a team, he should be in a team, he is better than Charles at Ferrari right now and yet he is going to be teamless.

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