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I want to write something independent of the name change. The Americans have been jealous of F1 for years and have started to take revenge. It started with the new logo. Then the ridiculous tracks, the sprint races, the fake drama created by dts, and a fan base that didn't have a clue about the new sport. Americans have a really strange form of entertainment. Most of it is based on fakery and mediocrity.
The F1 teams are happy right now because of the profits, but it's not all about profits. F1 has never been so far from its soul. I miss the real F1. Constantly changing rules, environmentalism, vacuum cleaners called v6 turbo hybrids, the American-Arabian mix of liberty and drs fetish has killed the sport. The names of the dominations have changed. Actually the real F1 is completely dead after Brazil 2012.

Ah, it was actually dead far before that. 2006 was the last time V10s were used and holy hell the sound of those engines is what started my liking to any motorsports. V8s were kinda okay and they still somewhat resemble some form of 'screams' on longer straights. When the transition to V6 started, I kind of felt that there's something missing in these races. Lots of regulations after that which focused on fuel economy, 'safety,' and just working not directly on the engine but the technology on the car to go faster. It's still okay to watch F1 races every now and then, but it's just not the same after the V8s were retired IMO, and I agree with you that it became boring after 2012.

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Alpha Tauri will change theri name, their social are already gone.

the new name could be Visa CashApp RB team

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I want to write something independent of the name change. The Americans have been jealous of F1 for years and have started to take revenge. It started with the new logo. Then the ridiculous tracks, the sprint races, the fake drama created by dts, and a fan base that didn't have a clue about the new sport. Americans have a really strange form of entertainment. Most of it is based on fakery and mediocrity.
The F1 teams are happy right now because of the profits, but it's not all about profits. F1 has never been so far from its soul. I miss the real F1. Constantly changing rules, environmentalism, vacuum cleaners called v6 turbo hybrids, the American-Arabian mix of liberty and drs fetish has killed the sport. The names of the dominations have changed. Actually the real F1 is completely dead after Brazil 2012.

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Alpha Tauri will change theri name, their social are already gone.

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Quote from: Distraction on January 18, 2024, 03:35:02 PM

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Aesthetically I think RB19 is considered to be one of the best looking cars in the history of Formula 1. But mostly throughout the years Ferrari and McLaren cars have had the best looking ones.

Was Binotto really the most likely person to replace Newey at one point? I think they're just rumors at best. Red Bull could already have one earmarked among their ranks as a replacement... What I could tell you tho is Ferrari wanted Horner as Binotto's replacement as team principal at Ferrari. Horner turned them down.

I'm not surprised with Ferrari's wanting Horner in Binotto's place in the past. Grin

Because Horner has really been one of the best team principals in Formula 1 lately. But why would Horner just leave Red Bull for Ferrari, right? It wouldn't have made sense if he did so. Because he has had really successful years with Red Bull.

They have been very dominant over the last a few years. Horner is going to earn $12m a year until 2026. I don't expect Horner to leave the team until that date. But as of 2026 season we never know what can happen in F1.

Because there are many changes to come which could upset the balances quite much.

It would not change much honestly,Horner maybe a great team principal but without his main engineering head Newey he won't have any success at Ferrari or else where.The resource which most teams are missing is a great engineer to create a fast enough car to fight with Redbull,it looks like there is a big shortage of these guys in F1 especially although everywhere we lack this great engineering guys.

It is not about the money anymore for these guys,they have made their fortune,it is all about the winning,glory and prestige now and leaving Redbull would mean to lose all of this,not happening in my opinion.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 14, 2024, 08:31:01 AM

Aesthetically I think RB19 is considered to be one of the best looking cars in the history of Formula 1. But mostly throughout the years Ferrari and McLaren cars have had the best looking ones.

Was Binotto really the most likely person to replace Newey at one point? I think they're just rumors at best. Red Bull could already have one earmarked among their ranks as a replacement... What I could tell you tho is Ferrari wanted Horner as Binotto's replacement as team principal at Ferrari. Horner turned them down.

I'm not surprised with Ferrari's wanting Horner in Binotto's place in the past. Grin

Because Horner has really been one of the best team principals in Formula 1 lately. But why would Horner just leave Red Bull for Ferrari, right? It wouldn't have made sense if he did so. Because he has had really successful years with Red Bull.

They have been very dominant over the last a few years. Horner is going to earn $12m a year until 2026. I don't expect Horner to leave the team until that date. But as of 2026 season we never know what can happen in F1.

Because there are many changes to come which could upset the balances quite much.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 16, 2024, 08:31:26 AM

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Günther Steiner released an interview and he basically said if he will come back in F1 he will be in a better team

He doesn't want to be back in a small team but he want something big.

And what team was he referring to? Top teams are Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes. Midtable teams which I guess could be considered somewhat big are McLaren, Aston Martin and Alpine..? I guess Alpine is the smallest one among the midtable teams and it's a fringe big team. And there's the rest of the bunch Williams, Alpha Tauri, Alfa Romero and Haas.

So, which team do you think will he go next?

And isn't there gonna be a couple more teams on 2026? There's Audi and Andretti's team. Maybe Steiner is gunning for one of them...

I think McLaren as the second best team of all time in F1 is at the bigger level although they have been struggling to win a Championship since the distant time of Lewis Hamilton in 2008 and that is why maybe now is perceived as a mid team but their budget surely fits the bigger ones.They were also the team which had the best performance in the closing stages of last season so they may be are the only chance we have to see a fight against Redbull this season that is approaching fast enough,just 2 months before the first race here.

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Günther Steiner released an interview and he basically said if he will come back in F1 he will be in a better team

He doesn't want to be back in a small team but he want something big.

And what team was he referring to? Top teams are Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes. Midtable teams which I guess could be considered somewhat big are McLaren, Aston Martin and Alpine..? I guess Alpine is the smallest one among the midtable teams and it's a fringe big team. And there's the rest of the bunch Williams, Alpha Tauri, Alfa Romero and Haas.

So, which team do you think will he go next?

And isn't there gonna be a couple more teams on 2026? There's Audi and Andretti's team. Maybe Steiner is gunning for one of them...

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The Ducati Lenovo factory team presentation will be held on January 22 this year and I am increasingly impatient to see several other teams who have also set their presentation and livery launch schedules for this season. Especially like the Gresini Racing Satellite team which will also do this on January 20, which is two days earlier than the factory Ducati team itself. For the Gresini Racing team, I'm only curious about the livery color, while for the Ducati Factory team, I'm only more curious about the model than the livery. Source: motogp & gresiniracing

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 14, 2024, 07:14:31 PM

Günther Steiner released an interview and he basically said if he will come back in F1 he will be in a better team

He doesn't want to be back in a small team but he want something big.

Of course he would want that.The technical directors of the so called "small teams" sure they are in the F1 circus but they are there without enjoying any success,not winning a single race like in the case of this guy.It is only natural for him now that the experience he has gotten from such a small team to bring to another team,also learn from the ones in the this new big team,it is just how life goes in general,even normal persons,we start working at a company,specialize in something and then we move on into a new company where we specialize even more,so his desire is the most natural of all.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 14, 2024, 07:14:31 PM

Günther Steiner released an interview and he basically said if he will come back in F1 he will be in a better team

He doesn't want to be back in a small team but he want something big.

You must mean one of this interviews, right?

Guenther Steiner First Interview Since Leaving Haas! | Autosport International Interview David Croft

or this

Steiner opens up on what really happened at the Haas F1 team

In any case, he doesn't want to break anything over his knee and only a team boss position is an option for him. In any case, he doesn't stress himself because he is not dependent on Formula 1.

In another sense, Mercedes has extended the contract with Totto Wolf until the end of 2026.

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Günther Steiner released an interview and he basically said if he will come back in F1 he will be in a better team

He doesn't want to be back in a small team but he want something big.

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They got Adrian Newey to thank for that. Without him, I don't think Red Bull would have a dominant team even if they have Horner and his team of race strategists. And as Newey is getting up there in age, he could retire anytime now like he was hinting some years back to start his company making boats.

So the question prolly is who replaces him and does he have a protege ready to take his place and continue car development for the team. Dan Fallows who is a known Newey protege is working with Aston Martin. :/

Adrian Newey is an amazing engineer for real. His designs have always been admired by people and RB19 is the best one ever.

People were curious about whether he was going to leave Red Bull as he was in his last year of his contract in 2023. Huh

But he removed the question marks from people's minds by extending his contract for longer years.

In case he left the team Mattia Binotto was the most speculated person to fill his place at Red Bull. Maybe not as much as Newey but Mattia Binotto is also a pretty good engineer.

Aesthetically I think RB19 is considered to be one of the best looking cars in the history of Formula 1. But mostly throughout the years Ferrari and McLaren cars have had the best looking ones.

Was Binotto really the most likely person to replace Newey at one point? I think they're just rumors at best. Red Bull could already have one earmarked among their ranks as a replacement... What I could tell you tho is Ferrari wanted Horner as Binotto's replacement as team principal at Ferrari. Horner turned them down.

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Yes, the results for HAAS were not good at the end if you make a balance of all the years below the Gunter Steiner command, but for it was not his fault, HAAS never ended fully push in his F1 team, always and all the years we heard rumours of sellings or cut in the budget, so you cant think in bigger things when you dont have the 100% of support behind you.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 12, 2024, 04:39:37 PM

Well I don't think Haas will ever compete for a win.

They need to invest a lot more if they wanna do.

The last few years have shown that there are very few trams that can win at all, and Haas is one of the last teams that have a chance of winning. I think McLaren is the team outside the big three that has a chance of winning this year. For Haas, championship points are almost like a podium finish.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 12, 2024, 03:56:18 PM

When you look at their results, maybe this decision doesn't looks such surprising. After all, they were last in constructors championship. With limited budget thatthey have you can't expect something amazing from them, but they want to compete with teams like Sauber, Alpha Tauri and Williams.

Well I don't think Haas will ever compete for a win.

They need to invest a lot more if they wanna do.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 11, 2024, 07:19:17 PM

Gunther Steiner lost his position in Haas.

Big L for F1, he was a loved person in this world.

Not clear yet why this decision has been done.

When you look at their results, maybe this decision doesn't looks such surprising. After all, they were last in constructors championship. With limited budget thatthey have you can't expect something amazing from them, but they want to compete with teams like Sauber, Alpha Tauri and Williams.

Quote from: redsun114 on January 12, 2024, 01:48:05 PM

Haas actually did alright in the last 2 years or so, after the whole period of Mick and that Russian kid, they got all the money they possibly could from the sponsors, and then used that money to build a better car and get better drivers as well. I do not mean that they are doing wonderful, but for the amount of money they have, they are doing fine at least.

Haas is a poor club and no matter who is at the top, they will not do much, you can put Horner or Wolf there and they would still not be doing all that well, I still think that it would not be all that ok for them to handle it. I think it is going to be an issue where you will not end up seeing them achieve anything good, it will cause some trouble. Haas made a mistake with this decision if you ask me.

Yeah, when you look were they been few years ago, now they're doing prety fine. Haas were so desperate toget some money that even agreed to paint thair car with Russian flags. And then this story with Rich Energy sponshorship

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 12, 2024, 08:17:52 AM

They got Adrian Newey to thank for that. Without him, I don't think Red Bull would have a dominant team even if they have Horner and his team of race strategists. And as Newey is getting up there in age, he could retire anytime now like he was hinting some years back to start his company making boats.

So the question prolly is who replaces him and does he have a protege ready to take his place and continue car development for the team. Dan Fallows who is a known Newey protege is working with Aston Martin. :/

Adrian Newey is an amazing engineer for real. His designs have always been admired by people and RB19 is the best one ever.

People were curious about whether he was going to leave Red Bull as he was in his last year of his contract in 2023. Huh

But he removed the question marks from people's minds by extending his contract for longer years.

In case he left the team Mattia Binotto was the most speculated person to fill his place at Red Bull. Maybe not as much as Newey but Mattia Binotto is also a pretty good engineer.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 11, 2024, 07:19:17 PM

Gunther Steiner lost his position in Haas.

Big L for F1, he was a loved person in this world.

Not clear yet why this decision has been done.

Nooo man sad news for everyone, he was a good person and a showman, always bringing to us some drama or jokes. I hope he can comeback soon in other team and one better team than HAAS.

HAAS is a strange team, they always seems near to find the car but always lose it in somepoint and ended up being a shit, i remember the season where they were amazing at qualy but a complete shit in race.

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Haas actually did alright in the last 2 years or so, after the whole period of Mick and that Russian kid, they got all the money they possibly could from the sponsors, and then used that money to build a better car and get better drivers as well. I do not mean that they are doing wonderful, but for the amount of money they have, they are doing fine at least.

Haas is a poor club and no matter who is at the top, they will not do much, you can put Horner or Wolf there and they would still not be doing all that well, I still think that it would not be all that ok for them to handle it. I think it is going to be an issue where you will not end up seeing them achieve anything good, it will cause some trouble. Haas made a mistake with this decision if you ask me.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on January 12, 2024, 06:27:49 AM

I also think that Haas' lack of performance was not Steiner's fault, if there is no money for development, even the experienced Steiner, Magnussen and Hülkenberg can't do much. It was quite astonishing that Haas ended up with 12 points last year, you have to remember that Alfa Romeo only had 16.

The Haas team promoted the new hire in place of Steiner as a true engineer in core which I think is disrespectful toward Steiner.He may have been not the best but cannot come with such statements.

This year though not much will change as Redbull is dominating and not much has changed in the rules.So we should wait for 2026 for some true changes and see how each team performs under those hoping for a change.

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