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Quote from: Koal-84 on May 13, 2024, 06:18:17 AM

The machines will be a bit slower due to the downgrade in cubic centimetres (I think all manufacturers will quickly get to grips with the new petrol, as the situation is the same for all of them), and the changes or bans on aerodynamics could lead to more overtaking manoeuvres again, which of course makes the sport more interesting (for the spectator).

But let's wait and see, I don't expect any major changes to the manufacturers' positions.

This is still quite a long wait because everyone will still be enjoying the current era for the next two years or before 2027 arrives. I'm also starting to think that reducing the cubic centimeters in the engine could allow the bike to run slower than it currently does and that the major impact on aerodynamic restrictions will also be more visible when this is actually determined by the organizers. Now the MotoGP competition is starting to look interesting again after fierce competition between several riders, including Marquez, who is now starting to look competitive again in racing.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 10, 2024, 02:01:15 AM

New technical regulation for Moto GP from 2027 with an expected duration of five years.

I don't think the biggest change is that of cutting the engine displacement from the classic 1000cc to 850cc but that of the use of different fuels, so much can change in this case from how an engine uses fuel.

We also have new rules that limit the aerodynamics of motorcycles.

Several riders including Quartararo have already said that they don't expect many differences from the bikes with the power cut.

The machines will be a bit slower due to the downgrade in cubic centimetres (I think all manufacturers will quickly get to grips with the new petrol, as the situation is the same for all of them), and the changes or bans on aerodynamics could lead to more overtaking manoeuvres again, which of course makes the sport more interesting (for the spectator).

But let's wait and see, I don't expect any major changes to the manufacturers' positions.

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Quote from: swogerino on May 12, 2024, 07:47:30 AM

Super performing race again from Marquez,got past Bagnaia the last lap,he just needed just a couple of more laps again and would have taken out Martin too.Martin was making quite so many small errors and it was clear that he was very nervous during the last laps of the race.Marquez quite the opposite,brilliant riding without a single error and he took out the World Champion so easily in a track such technical,I understand him,he is getting as many points as he can as wins will come but when they come he needs to be in a good position and although he said he is not fighting for the Championship he is third now I think in the rankings,so he just needs to be patient.He had that Di Gianluiggi slowing him down otherwise I think he would have won this race.

Lets say there are couple more laps, Enea may even get closer to the top 3 riders and fight for the podium because as I can see that Enea was faster than the top 3 riders in few last laps. By the way, the race at le mans seems to be the best race so far although the real competition between the top 3 riders happened in 1-2 last laps only. Special appreciation for Marc Marquez who could repeat his achievement in the sprint race. Start the race from 13th but finished in 2nd on both Sprint Race and Main Race is something special. It was combination between skills and the bike, hope he can be consistent in the upcoming races until the season ends.

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Quote from: FanEagle on May 11, 2024, 04:10:22 PM

Quote from: retreat on May 11, 2024, 01:34:48 AM

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The real reason is that the budget thing. F1 is already dealing with a problem where there are some great teams like Ferrari, red bull, Mercedes and mclaren (along with aston getting better with strolls) but there are some horrible teams as well, and they know that if andretti joins, then he is not going to be able to spend 100+ million a year every year to be competitive, he just wants to be in, but nothing more.

What is the purpose of a team who would try to fight for not being the last team? I mean if Audi wants to join, they can, which they will, and they are capable of spending 100+ million a year on this, they have the budget for it and they are super wealthy and they have an income. F1 just doesn't trust that Andretti would do something like that.

What do you think about William and Sauber, do you think that this team has more resources than Andretti who is backed by GM and Cadillac? We can't judge a team just because they are very new to this competition. Andretti is even prepared to pay a fee of $200 million just to enter this competition and they have already built a headquarters and various other things. So this is not a matter of budget whether they are ready or not to spend every year, but this is a matter of F1 competition which is not very sporty with teams who are not ready for the arrival of new teams into the competition.

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After the race of today the situation has improved for Martin who leads with more advantage.

1   =   Jorge Martin   SPA   Pramac Ducati (GP24)   129
2   ^1   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP24)   91   (-38)
3   ^3   Marc Marquez   SPA   Gresini Ducati (GP23)   89   (-40)
4   ˅2   Enea Bastianini   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP24)   89   (-40)
5   =   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP24)   81   (-48)

Marquez is rising and he is rumored to be next team mate of Bagnaia next year...

Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1048405/1/le-mans-new-2024-motogp-world-championship-standings

Marc will win some races for sure this year even if he driving the 2023 edition of the ducati.

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Quote from: swogerino on May 12, 2024, 07:47:30 AM

Super performing race again from Marquez,got past Bagnaia the last lap,he just needed just a couple of more laps again and would have taken out Martin too.Martin was making quite so many small errors and it was clear that he was very nervous during the last laps of the race.Marquez quite the opposite,brilliant riding without a single error and he took out the World Champion so easily in a track such technical,I understand him,he is getting as many points as he can as wins will come but when they come he needs to be in a good position and although he said he is not fighting for the Championship he is third now I think in the rankings,so he just needs to be patient.He had that Di Gianluiggi slowing him down otherwise I think he would have won this race.

Since yesterday during the Sprint, Marquez looked extraordinary in finishing the race because he started from 13th position and managed to finish in second place. Likewise today, he also started from grid 13 and managed to finish second after successfully overtaking Bagnia at a fairly technical corner. However, I also have to praise Martin, who won the Sprint yesterday and also won the race today so that Martin can continue to create a points gap with Bagnaia in the current standings. Meanwhile, Bagnaia, who was leading the race today, couldn't maintain his consistency until the end of the race so he was only able to finish the race in third place.

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Super performing race again from Marquez,got past Bagnaia the last lap,he just needed just a couple of more laps again and would have taken out Martin too.Martin was making quite so many small errors and it was clear that he was very nervous during the last laps of the race.Marquez quite the opposite,brilliant riding without a single error and he took out the World Champion so easily in a track such technical,I understand him,he is getting as many points as he can as wins will come but when they come he needs to be in a good position and although he said he is not fighting for the Championship he is third now I think in the rankings,so he just needs to be patient.He had that Di Gianluiggi slowing him down otherwise I think he would have won this race.

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There are still 4 more sprint events to come this season.

I think the remaining tracks are at least fitting a sprint race. For example Miami was a terrible choice for that. I really wonder whose idea it was. Grin

The track is just too tight so it is very difficult to overtake. It must be like the most boring sprint race I have ever watched in F1 so far.

Some drivers like Verstappen even thinks sprint format is useless. Who knows maybe in the future the format would be removed or changed to make it more attracting.

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Quote from: panjul07 on May 12, 2024, 06:31:58 AM

30 minutes to go before the race at Le Mans, who will win the race today?
Marquez finished 2nd yesterday although he started from the 13th, can he do the same or better today or he will fail to compete for the podium today?
Pecco failed to finish yesterday in the sprint race and I think he will do all his best today so he will not lose more points.
Martin will also try to win the race so he can make the gap on the standings bigger.
Hard to predict but I think Martin will win if he can do a good start and not crashed during the race.

That shows that he will have a great potential to win this race and I am very much waiting for it to start right now,just 3 minutes to start.I think based on what I saw the last race I predict that Marquez to have real chances to win this race especially seeing yesterday sprint.If there is no guy like Bagnaia in front of him I see no difficulties for him to overtake anyone and I am waiting for his comeback win and for him to have a real chance to win the MotoGP again reminding us of his glorious times with Honda,he surely is a great rider and fully deserves it.Bagnaia will be attacking but in this track the rider skill is paramount and Bagnaia have overtaken from the outside which is extremely difficult.Let's see how it goes,formation lap on their way.

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30 minutes to go before the race at Le Mans, who will win the race today?
Marquez finished 2nd yesterday although he started from the 13th, can he do the same or better today or he will fail to compete for the podium today?
Pecco failed to finish yesterday in the sprint race and I think he will do all his best today so he will not lose more points.
Martin will also try to win the race so he can make the gap on the standings bigger.
Hard to predict but I think Martin will win if he can do a good start and not crashed during the race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 11, 2024, 09:22:25 AM

hat-trick for Spain in the sprint race in France, Martin returned to victory ahead of Marques and Vinales. Bagnaia with zero points.
The race for the world championship therefore remains open for Marques too

Technical problem for the Italian who was forced to retire after a bad start probably due to this technical problem.
the ranking in the leaderboard is really short at the moment with 6 riders in just over 30 points and with the favorite (my choice) slowly taking off.

Just when I was thinking again what a boring weekend without a race we are going to see the Le Mans I believe track,the short version which has always been a very good race to watch at least in years before when I used to not miss a single race of MotoGP yet now I almost always forget to watch such races,I remembered last weekend which was a great race in Spain between Bagnaia and Marquez and I hope to watch the same tomorrow too.At least it won't be a weekend without racing as most sports,more soccer leagues are already ended and there is no interest in such weekends,hopefully Marquez who said learning time is over to get his first win tomorrow in such a great track.

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Quote from: retreat on May 11, 2024, 01:34:48 AM

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The dispute between F1 and Andretti has entered a new phase, where now Andretti is lobbying senate members to send a letter questioning the reasons why F1 refuses to accept them as the eleventh team in F1. So far, Andretti, together with GM and Cadilac, have mobilized a lot of resources for them to enter F1 and they have even received the green light from the FIA to enter F1, but for some reason F1 has refused them to enter the competition. . F1's reasons are unclear and Andretti himself estimates that the top teams in F1 are deliberately lobbying F1's top management to deny them entry in order to shrink the competition board. This is truly an unfair action for Andretti, even though they have fulfilled all the requirements.

The real reason is that the budget thing. F1 is already dealing with a problem where there are some great teams like Ferrari, red bull, Mercedes and mclaren (along with aston getting better with strolls) but there are some horrible teams as well, and they know that if andretti joins, then he is not going to be able to spend 100+ million a year every year to be competitive, he just wants to be in, but nothing more.

What is the purpose of a team who would try to fight for not being the last team? I mean if Audi wants to join, they can, which they will, and they are capable of spending 100+ million a year on this, they have the budget for it and they are super wealthy and they have an income. F1 just doesn't trust that Andretti would do something like that.

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hat-trick for Spain in the sprint race in France, Martin returned to victory ahead of Marques and Vinales. Bagnaia with zero points.
The race for the world championship therefore remains open for Marques too

Technical problem for the Italian who was forced to retire after a bad start probably due to this technical problem.
the ranking in the leaderboard is really short at the moment with 6 riders in just over 30 points and with the favorite (my choice) slowly taking off.

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Even though he had fallen, this time Jorge Martin was also able to put himself in first position on the Le Mans MotoGP grid with a pretty good time record and this is the latest time record that has broken the previous time record at the Le Mans circuit. Apart from that, I was wondering why there were several riders who crashed in today's qualifying session, even though the weather was very favorable and quite sunny and what was unique this time was that there was one Japanese motorbike on the eighth grid, namely Fabio Quartararo. Hopefully he can give his best in the Sprint and Race tomorrow in his hometown with this Japanese motorbike.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 10, 2024, 01:21:22 PM

after the victory in the last grand prix the Norris hype hasn't stopped and now he has started to make quite strong statements to the press.

In fact, he declared that in 2025 he will fight for the world title.

Let's say that this could also be possible given Newey's departure from Redbull, but if he fails to fight with Redbull his words will be cited for a long time and as a fail.

He is one of the most ambitious drivers. It must have been really easy for him to make such bold statements.

For now we don't know about if even Red Bull will be able to keep their dominance next year.

McLaren is actually a rich team. They need to use their power efficiently. If they start on their next season car early they can turn this situation into their advantage. This car has lots of potential.

But it is a really difficult task considering the potential of Ferrari also. If they make a combo of Hamilton - Newey for next year then we would be likely to watch a quite big competition among a few top teams.

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It's a shame that Marquez didn't qualify for Q2 because he slipped and left the track while trailing Bastianini in the qualifying session. So Marquez didn't have enough time to improve his time again in that session so the one who qualified for Q2 just now was Bastianini from the Ducati factory and another one was Miguel Oliveira from the Trackhouse team. Now the Q2 session will also take place for MotoGP Le Mans and I will see who will be on pole position today before heading to the Sprint Race.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcVMijTIYOs

The dispute between F1 and Andretti has entered a new phase, where now Andretti is lobbying senate members to send a letter questioning the reasons why F1 refuses to accept them as the eleventh team in F1. So far, Andretti, together with GM and Cadilac, have mobilized a lot of resources for them to enter F1 and they have even received the green light from the FIA to enter F1, but for some reason F1 has refused them to enter the competition. . F1's reasons are unclear and Andretti himself estimates that the top teams in F1 are deliberately lobbying F1's top management to deny them entry in order to shrink the competition board. This is truly an unfair action for Andretti, even though they have fulfilled all the requirements.

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In yesterday's Practice session I saw that Fabio Quartararo was successful in ranking in the top ten which made him qualify for Q2, while Marquez failed to set his best time in that session so he had to be outside Q2. However, in today's FP2 session, Marquez will definitely work hard to get his best time and if he has to enter Q1, he will also try to get through it with hard work because almost all riders have good time records at Le Mans this time. Except for riders who use Honda motorbikes.

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the last year they also made a big upgrade mid-season and had become competitive for second place with Ferrari, but if after the big step you don't bring other updates you're going nowhere especially at those top levels where your rivals bring updates every 2-3 races.

But next year without Newey it could be much tougher for Redbull too and this year the cars have gotten quite close to the Austrians

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 10, 2024, 01:21:22 PM

after the victory in the last grand prix the Norris hype hasn't stopped and now he has started to make quite strong statements to the press.

In fact, he declared that in 2025 he will fight for the world title.

Let's say that this could also be possible given Newey's departure from Redbull, but if he fails to fight with Redbull his words will be cited for a long time and as a fail.

I think the only thing that makes him go with such statements is because he have seen how well McLaren has progressed in these recent times and races and he thinks that they are going to get there at the top where he will get a car that can be run to fight for world titles.Nothing wrong with such statement I think,yet let's not forget we have Hamilton at Ferrari next season and it will be a great season if Hamilton will be driving a Ferrari,Ferrari just needs to give him a decent car,not the fastest one and I am sure he can fight for victories and titles too,he is just that good as a driver,so let's wait and see.For Redbull is looking clear that they can not be as dominating as they have been during last couple of years and if other teams upgrade their cars further then it means Redbull will struggle in 2025.

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