The outcome in Monza will become the defining moment on who will become the driver's champion for 2017. Mercedes' is still very progressive while Ferrari has shown to be in dubious situations in some races. They are simply inconsistent.
I thought Sebastian was going to take pole position but his car simply could not handle the tricky conditions.
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September 02, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
September 02, 2017, 04:14:54 PM
Starting grid Monza 2017
1. L. Hamilton - Mercedes
2. L. Stroll - Willliams
3. E. Ocon - Force India
4. V. Bottas - Mercedes
5. K. Raikkonen - Ferrari
6. S. Vettel - Ferrari
7. F. Massa - Williams
8. S. Vandoorne - McLaren
9. S. Perez - Force India
10. D. Kvyat - Toro Rosso
11. K. Magnussen - Haas
12. M. Ericsson - Sauber
13. P. Wehrlein - Sauber
14. N. Hulkenberg - Renault
15. M. Verstappen - Red Bull
16. C. Sainz Jr. - Toro Rosso
17. D. Ricciardo - Red Bull
18. J. Palmer - Renault
19. F. Alonso - McLaren
20. R. Grosjean - Haas
Start of the GP will be very exciting.
1. L. Hamilton - Mercedes
2. L. Stroll - Willliams
3. E. Ocon - Force India
4. V. Bottas - Mercedes
5. K. Raikkonen - Ferrari
6. S. Vettel - Ferrari
7. F. Massa - Williams
8. S. Vandoorne - McLaren
9. S. Perez - Force India
10. D. Kvyat - Toro Rosso
11. K. Magnussen - Haas
12. M. Ericsson - Sauber
13. P. Wehrlein - Sauber
14. N. Hulkenberg - Renault
15. M. Verstappen - Red Bull
16. C. Sainz Jr. - Toro Rosso
17. D. Ricciardo - Red Bull
18. J. Palmer - Renault
19. F. Alonso - McLaren
20. R. Grosjean - Haas
Start of the GP will be very exciting.
Hamilton made his 69th pole position in career, new record in f1!
Ferrari in trouble, he tomorrow can return first in the world championship.
September 02, 2017, 01:48:19 PM
Starting grid Monza 2017
1. L. Hamilton - Mercedes
2. L. Stroll - Willliams
3. E. Ocon - Force India
4. V. Bottas - Mercedes
5. K. Raikkonen - Ferrari
6. S. Vettel - Ferrari
7. F. Massa - Williams
8. S. Vandoorne - McLaren
9. S. Perez - Force India
10. D. Kvyat - Toro Rosso
11. K. Magnussen - Haas
12. M. Ericsson - Sauber
13. P. Wehrlein - Sauber
14. N. Hulkenberg - Renault
15. M. Verstappen - Red Bull
16. C. Sainz Jr. - Toro Rosso
17. D. Ricciardo - Red Bull
18. J. Palmer - Renault
19. F. Alonso - McLaren
20. R. Grosjean - Haas
Start of the GP will be very exciting.
1. L. Hamilton - Mercedes
2. L. Stroll - Willliams
3. E. Ocon - Force India
4. V. Bottas - Mercedes
5. K. Raikkonen - Ferrari
6. S. Vettel - Ferrari
7. F. Massa - Williams
8. S. Vandoorne - McLaren
9. S. Perez - Force India
10. D. Kvyat - Toro Rosso
11. K. Magnussen - Haas
12. M. Ericsson - Sauber
13. P. Wehrlein - Sauber
14. N. Hulkenberg - Renault
15. M. Verstappen - Red Bull
16. C. Sainz Jr. - Toro Rosso
17. D. Ricciardo - Red Bull
18. J. Palmer - Renault
19. F. Alonso - McLaren
20. R. Grosjean - Haas
Start of the GP will be very exciting.
September 02, 2017, 07:07:24 AM
It is a good time to bet on Sebastian in Monza. I reckon that Ferrari will do something more and try to win harder for their home race. They also cannot have Lewis get the lead in the championship.
My prediction, Sebastian will take FP3 and pole position in qualifying.
My prediction, Sebastian will take FP3 and pole position in qualifying.
Today it rains a lot at Monza and surely the pole position will be wet, in the fp3 all pilots are using full wet.
Rain can make the pole position unpredictable
It is raining and really wet. grosjean (haas) is out now. red flag. this qualification will be very interesting.
September 02, 2017, 04:59:22 AM
It is a good time to bet on Sebastian in Monza. I reckon that Ferrari will do something more and try to win harder for their home race. They also cannot have Lewis get the lead in the championship.
My prediction, Sebastian will take FP3 and pole position in qualifying.
My prediction, Sebastian will take FP3 and pole position in qualifying.
Today it rains a lot at Monza and surely the pole position will be wet, in the fp3 all pilots are using full wet.
Rain can make the pole position unpredictable
September 01, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
It is a good time to bet on Sebastian in Monza. I reckon that Ferrari will do something more and try to win harder for their home race. They also cannot have Lewis get the lead in the championship.
My prediction, Sebastian will take FP3 and pole position in qualifying.
My prediction, Sebastian will take FP3 and pole position in qualifying.
September 01, 2017, 05:17:21 PM
This week there is the Gp d'Italia in Monza!
The ferrari runs at home but this also seems like a favorable track for the Mercedes.
Here are the quotes of this Gp:
Hamilton @1.65
Vettel @3.30
Bottas @5.50
Raikkonen @12.00
Ricciardo @35.00
Verstappen @50.00
Despite the 7-points advantage for Vettel, Hamilton is also favored for the victory of the World Championship:
Hamilton @1.60
Vettel @2.30
Bottas @30.00
The ferrari runs at home but this also seems like a favorable track for the Mercedes.
Here are the quotes of this Gp:
Hamilton @1.65
Vettel @3.30
Bottas @5.50
Raikkonen @12.00
Ricciardo @35.00
Verstappen @50.00
Despite the 7-points advantage for Vettel, Hamilton is also favored for the victory of the World Championship:
Hamilton @1.60
Vettel @2.30
Bottas @30.00
Hmm, that 5.50 odd of Bottas to win the race is looking very inviting and very tempting to me. I think this guy is a lot underrated because he has not done well in the last few races. I am going to place a minimal bet on him today and I wish he will have a good car for the weekend. In fast tracks like Monza it is always favorite the Mercedes engine to win races. But considering that the safety car I am sure will be at least once here, betting 0.001 on Verstapen is not a bad idea either.
I agree with you. Mercedes is big favorite here in Monza. It is a pity with penalized Red Bull cars. So betting Verstappen isn't now good idea. And another 5 place for Ricciardo, so he will be penalized for 25 positions.
September 01, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
Top 10 times Free Practice Gp Monza:
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1’21″406
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1’21″462
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1’21″546
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1’21″804
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1’22″409
6 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1’22″752
7 Stoffel VandoorneMcLaren 1’22″947
8 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1’22″968
9 Esteban Ocon Force India 1’22″977
10 Felipe Massa Williams 1’22″985
In addition, both Red Bull will be penalized for updates to power units: Ricciardo will be penalized for 20 positions while Verstappen 15 positions.
Also, Sainz (Toro Rosso) will be penalized for 10 positions.
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1’21″406
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1’21″462
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1’21″546
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1’21″804
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1’22″409
6 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1’22″752
7 Stoffel VandoorneMcLaren 1’22″947
8 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1’22″968
9 Esteban Ocon Force India 1’22″977
10 Felipe Massa Williams 1’22″985
In addition, both Red Bull will be penalized for updates to power units: Ricciardo will be penalized for 20 positions while Verstappen 15 positions.
Also, Sainz (Toro Rosso) will be penalized for 10 positions.
September 01, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
This week there is the Gp d'Italia in Monza!
The ferrari runs at home but this also seems like a favorable track for the Mercedes.
Here are the quotes of this Gp:
Hamilton @1.65
Vettel @3.30
Bottas @5.50
Raikkonen @12.00
Ricciardo @35.00
Verstappen @50.00
Despite the 7-points advantage for Vettel, Hamilton is also favored for the victory of the World Championship:
Hamilton @1.60
Vettel @2.30
Bottas @30.00
The ferrari runs at home but this also seems like a favorable track for the Mercedes.
Here are the quotes of this Gp:
Hamilton @1.65
Vettel @3.30
Bottas @5.50
Raikkonen @12.00
Ricciardo @35.00
Verstappen @50.00
Despite the 7-points advantage for Vettel, Hamilton is also favored for the victory of the World Championship:
Hamilton @1.60
Vettel @2.30
Bottas @30.00
Hmm, that 5.50 odd of Bottas to win the race is looking very inviting and very tempting to me. I think this guy is a lot underrated because he has not done well in the last few races. I am going to place a minimal bet on him today and I wish he will have a good car for the weekend. In fast tracks like Monza it is always favorite the Mercedes engine to win races. But considering that the safety car I am sure will be at least once here, betting 0.001 on Verstapen is not a bad idea either.
September 01, 2017, 06:50:33 AM
Valentino Rossi has broken his tibia and fibula in an enduro training accident in Italy...
Most likely his season is over, surely he is out of the games for the victory of the world championship
Most likely his season is over, surely he is out of the games for the victory of the world championship
That's unfortunate... he has been trying so hard for the past few years trying to get his last championship, but he always ends up having bad luck.
I think he should just retire. Why keep risking your life at such at late age? It's a good time to sit back and enjoy your millions, but then again, I guess that's why they are so good, they really like what they do for a living, unlike most people.
Is confirmed, he will be off the races for at least 30/40 days.
He will surely miss 2 Gp: Misano (10 September) and Aragon (24 September). He could return to Motegi in Japan (October 15)
August 31, 2017, 06:13:38 PM
Valentino Rossi has broken his tibia and fibula in an enduro training accident in Italy...
Most likely his season is over, surely he is out of the games for the victory of the world championship
Most likely his season is over, surely he is out of the games for the victory of the world championship
That's unfortunate... he has been trying so hard for the past few years trying to get his last championship, but he always ends up having bad luck.
I think he should just retire. Why keep risking your life at such at late age? It's a good time to sit back and enjoy your millions, but then again, I guess that's why they are so good, they really like what they do for a living, unlike most people.
August 31, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
Valentino Rossi has broken his tibia and fibula in an enduro training accident in Italy...
Most likely his season is over, surely he is out of the games for the victory of the world championship
Most likely his season is over, surely he is out of the games for the victory of the world championship
August 31, 2017, 10:47:03 AM
Standing MotoGP after 12 of 18 races:
1)Dovizioso 183 gap
2)Marquez 174 -9
3)Vinales 170 -13
4)Rossi 157 -26
5)Pedrosa 148 -35
6)Zarco 109 -74
7)Lorenzo 90 -93
8 )Crutchlow 89 -94
9)Folger 77 -107
10)Petrucci 75 -108
Unbelievable Dovizioso has won on an unfavorable track and is now incredibly first in the world championship! Valentino Rossi wasted a great chance, winning this race would have reduced his gap to 12 points first place!
This year the motogp is really interesting and funky!
1)Dovizioso 183 gap
2)Marquez 174 -9
3)Vinales 170 -13
4)Rossi 157 -26
5)Pedrosa 148 -35
6)Zarco 109 -74
7)Lorenzo 90 -93
8 )Crutchlow 89 -94
9)Folger 77 -107
10)Petrucci 75 -108
Unbelievable Dovizioso has won on an unfavorable track and is now incredibly first in the world championship! Valentino Rossi wasted a great chance, winning this race would have reduced his gap to 12 points first place!
This year the motogp is really interesting and funky!
dovizioso can batle championship this season, because about compound tyres , but ducati still incraese performance,
iam not believe about lorenzo performance can't batle championship
6 series, with 2 series in spain and one series in mizano italy, if next race in mizano, dovi can win again, i think dovi can big chance to win world championship this season
Dovizioso provides excellent resistance this season. Dovi makes the competition to become a champion still looks great. This season there is no chance for Valentino Rossi to become champion, but the competition still always looks great. Although not as good as last season, but still interesting to watch.
August 31, 2017, 10:24:11 AM
This week there is the Gp d'Italia in Monza!
The ferrari runs at home but this also seems like a favorable track for the Mercedes.
Here are the quotes of this Gp:
Hamilton @1.65
Vettel @3.30
Bottas @5.50
Raikkonen @12.00
Ricciardo @35.00
Verstappen @50.00
Despite the 7-points advantage for Vettel, Hamilton is also favored for the victory of the World Championship:
Hamilton @1.60
Vettel @2.30
Bottas @30.00
The ferrari runs at home but this also seems like a favorable track for the Mercedes.
Here are the quotes of this Gp:
Hamilton @1.65
Vettel @3.30
Bottas @5.50
Raikkonen @12.00
Ricciardo @35.00
Verstappen @50.00
Despite the 7-points advantage for Vettel, Hamilton is also favored for the victory of the World Championship:
Hamilton @1.60
Vettel @2.30
Bottas @30.00
August 30, 2017, 06:01:22 PM
There is a big rumor that Williams wants Fernando Alonso for the next season. Lance Stroll need an old-timer alongside to get better. But will be Williams better team for Alonso than McLaren? William is weaker and weaker now. Every team has some improvements, but it seems like in Williams they are doing something wrong.
Alonso will definitely leave McLaren for sure. Team that are rumored to be for him besides Wiliams are Reno and Mercedes. Dont know how he will be in Mercedes cuz he left McLaren last time due to fight with Lewis. This one is hard to back up, for other teams think that its very possible reason they have better engine and the car from current McLaren one. This is hard for Alonso seeing him so only cuz power unit when down twice in last two races, must say this is frustrating to the rooftop.
Still he announced that he will say after next race what he will do will he stay in Formula 1 or leave. It would be shame to see him leave but think he is also considering to go in INDY championship cuz he almost won INDY 500 he lead most of the race but engine blow up.
Alonso wants to win the Indy 500 and 24h of LeMans in order to have the three big motorsports championships. Im sure that if next year he doesn't have a competitive car he will try either Indy500 again or LeMans. Probably Indy500 because now he got the experience from the previous year, he can definitely win if the car doesn't fail again.
Current championship I can't decide if Vettel or Hamilton will win.
August 30, 2017, 07:54:20 AM
There is a big rumor that Williams wants Fernando Alonso for the next season. Lance Stroll need an old-timer alongside to get better. But will be Williams better team for Alonso than McLaren? William is weaker and weaker now. Every team has some improvements, but it seems like in Williams they are doing something wrong.
Alonso will definitely leave McLaren for sure. Team that are rumored to be for him besides Wiliams are Reno and Mercedes. Dont know how he will be in Mercedes cuz he left McLaren last time due to fight with Lewis. This one is hard to back up, for other teams think that its very possible reason they have better engine and the car from current McLaren one. This is hard for Alonso seeing him so only cuz power unit when down twice in last two races, must say this is frustrating to the rooftop.
Still he announced that he will say after next race what he will do will he stay in Formula 1 or leave. It would be shame to see him leave but think he is also considering to go in INDY championship cuz he almost won INDY 500 he lead most of the race but engine blow up.
And don't forget that Hamilton also has dibs on who to choose as his team mate. It's all stipulated in his contract. So yeah, Alonso to Merc is very much close to zero. And with Vettel and Raikonen having been given new contracts, it's clear they don't want him.
But there's news that Verstappen is unhappy at RBR. If he leaves we may see Alonso take the spot. That leaves Verstappen... I guess we will have to wait if Merc extends Bottas' contract at the end of the season. If they don't then we may see Verstappen take Bottas' spot.
I also think Alonso won't stay in McLaren for the next season. For me is most likely he will sign contact with Williams. Hamilton + Verstappen is possible in Mercedes. But Verstappen's seat will take probably Sainz. But if Mercedes won't extends Bottas' contract what will be with him? Where can Bottas be in the next season?
August 30, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
Standing MotoGP after 12 of 18 races:
1)Dovizioso 183 gap
2)Marquez 174 -9
3)Vinales 170 -13
4)Rossi 157 -26
5)Pedrosa 148 -35
6)Zarco 109 -74
7)Lorenzo 90 -93
8 )Crutchlow 89 -94
9)Folger 77 -107
10)Petrucci 75 -108
Unbelievable Dovizioso has won on an unfavorable track and is now incredibly first in the world championship! Valentino Rossi wasted a great chance, winning this race would have reduced his gap to 12 points first place!
This year the motogp is really interesting and funky!
1)Dovizioso 183 gap
2)Marquez 174 -9
3)Vinales 170 -13
4)Rossi 157 -26
5)Pedrosa 148 -35
6)Zarco 109 -74
7)Lorenzo 90 -93
8 )Crutchlow 89 -94
9)Folger 77 -107
10)Petrucci 75 -108
Unbelievable Dovizioso has won on an unfavorable track and is now incredibly first in the world championship! Valentino Rossi wasted a great chance, winning this race would have reduced his gap to 12 points first place!
This year the motogp is really interesting and funky!
dovizioso can batle championship this season, because about compound tyres , but ducati still incraese performance,
iam not believe about lorenzo performance can't batle championship
6 series, with 2 series in spain and one series in mizano italy, if next race in mizano, dovi can win again, i think dovi can big chance to win world championship this season
August 29, 2017, 09:44:22 PM
There is a big rumor that Williams wants Fernando Alonso for the next season. Lance Stroll need an old-timer alongside to get better. But will be Williams better team for Alonso than McLaren? William is weaker and weaker now. Every team has some improvements, but it seems like in Williams they are doing something wrong.
Alonso will definitely leave McLaren for sure. Team that are rumored to be for him besides Wiliams are Reno and Mercedes. Dont know how he will be in Mercedes cuz he left McLaren last time due to fight with Lewis. This one is hard to back up, for other teams think that its very possible reason they have better engine and the car from current McLaren one. This is hard for Alonso seeing him so only cuz power unit when down twice in last two races, must say this is frustrating to the rooftop.
Still he announced that he will say after next race what he will do will he stay in Formula 1 or leave. It would be shame to see him leave but think he is also considering to go in INDY championship cuz he almost won INDY 500 he lead most of the race but engine blow up.
And don't forget that Hamilton also has dibs on who to choose as his team mate. It's all stipulated in his contract. So yeah, Alonso to Merc is very much close to zero. And with Vettel and Raikonen having been given new contracts, it's clear they don't want him.
But there's news that Verstappen is unhappy at RBR. If he leaves we may see Alonso take the spot. That leaves Verstappen... I guess we will have to wait if Merc extends Bottas' contract at the end of the season. If they don't then we may see Verstappen take Bottas' spot.
August 29, 2017, 10:18:34 AM
Standing MotoGP after 12 of 18 races:
1)Dovizioso 183 gap
2)Marquez 174 -9
3)Vinales 170 -13
4)Rossi 157 -26
5)Pedrosa 148 -35
6)Zarco 109 -74
7)Lorenzo 90 -93
8 )Crutchlow 89 -94
9)Folger 77 -107
10)Petrucci 75 -108
Unbelievable Dovizioso has won on an unfavorable track and is now incredibly first in the world championship! Valentino Rossi wasted a great chance, winning this race would have reduced his gap to 12 points first place!
This year the motogp is really interesting and funky!
1)Dovizioso 183 gap
2)Marquez 174 -9
3)Vinales 170 -13
4)Rossi 157 -26
5)Pedrosa 148 -35
6)Zarco 109 -74
7)Lorenzo 90 -93
8 )Crutchlow 89 -94
9)Folger 77 -107
10)Petrucci 75 -108
Unbelievable Dovizioso has won on an unfavorable track and is now incredibly first in the world championship! Valentino Rossi wasted a great chance, winning this race would have reduced his gap to 12 points first place!
This year the motogp is really interesting and funky!
August 29, 2017, 04:43:25 AM
Pole Position Silverstone Motogp top 10:
1. MARQUEZ 1:59:941
2. ROSSI +0:084
3. CRUTCHLOW +0:165
4. VINALES +0:400
5. LORENZO +0:458
6. DOVIZIOSO +0:631
7. PEDROSA +0:637
8. ZARCO +0:681
9. ESPARGARO +0:823
10. FOLGER +0:888
Record of track for Marquez but V. Rossi is very close!
1. MARQUEZ 1:59:941
2. ROSSI +0:084
3. CRUTCHLOW +0:165
4. VINALES +0:400
5. LORENZO +0:458
6. DOVIZIOSO +0:631
7. PEDROSA +0:637
8. ZARCO +0:681
9. ESPARGARO +0:823
10. FOLGER +0:888
Record of track for Marquez but V. Rossi is very close!
Unlucky day for Marquez, engine blow made him unable to continue the race while actually he could compete for the 1st position. This also made him down to 2nd position on the standing drivers list with 9 points gap against Dovizioso.
Good thing is that this makes the Championship battle become more interesting.
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